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How do you get most of your system ideas
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Magazine articles 1 2.44%
Things I see on charts 9 21.95%
Combine classic rules and indicators I see in books 2 4.88%
Develop and test a theory then build your system based on those results 29 70.73%
Total: 41 votes 100%
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Wide Tailz
 

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07-25-12 05:27 AM


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Let's start talking about data.

Another issue is how the birth of the electronic markets effects long term backtests. Some data vendors have electronic only data and combined electronic /Pit history. This combined history is not good because it include old history prior to 2008 , when many electronic markets were not liquid.



I noticed that many stocks (and the SPY) got much more volatile around late 2008, on an hourly basis. I never looked into it, but I thought it could have been some fundamental change in the markets (electronic markets?) or some big players went bust, who would have otherwise played the range.

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Murray Ruggiero
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08-01-12 05:06 PM


Quote from Wide Tailz:

I noticed that many stocks (and the SPY) got much more volatile around late 2008, on an hourly basis. I never looked into it, but I thought it could have been some fundamental change in the markets (electronic markets?) or some big players went bust, who would have otherwise played the range.



I think high speed traders do have a effect on why we get more intra-day volatility. I think you will see if from 1 hour down to tick level, You might even see this effect for on as long as 90 minutes. I think it has some but less of a effect on daily data. The change is the markets will make multiple moves in the same day we we don't see on daily bars.

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Murray Ruggiero
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08-01-12 06:03 PM


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Let's start talking about data.
Understanding how data effects testing and developing trading systems is very important.

One example is how futures contracts are rolled over. There are many ways to do that. First rolling on volume , open interest and then volume and open interest. We select the most active contract. Another way is to roll on fixed dates used by many commercial traders, for example 30 year treasury futures roll on the 26th day of the month before expiration. How you roll makes a big difference on a market by market basis as much as 35%. If we trade a large portfolio with the same system these results balance out to maybe a 10% difference.

Another issue is how the birth of the electronic markets effects long term backtests. Some data vendors have electronic only data and combined electronic /Pit history. This combined history is not good because it include old history prior to 2008 , when many electronic markets were not liquid.

In order to create long backtests we have created, Pit/Pure electronic data series rolled on fixed dates. We create a roll from pit to electronic when the volume of the electronic markets became greater than the pits. Pinnacle data create these back adjusted contracts with my help and make them available.



A few clients have told me that CSI has now create the same type of options for the data series , pit/electronic. I need to discuss with them to verify.

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Murray Ruggiero
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08-01-12 06:16 PM

http://www.futuresmag.com/2011/06/0...-avoid-curve-fi

http://www.futuresmag.com/2011/08/0...g-contract-data

Here two articles which explain this data issue in more detail.

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JackDogII
 

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08-01-12 09:16 PM

Thanks Murray.

A simple and useful explanation of a meaningful topic.

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