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WinstonTJ
 

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05-01-12 12:34 PM


Quote from Daal:Adding. It doesn't.


If you are adding liquidity do you want to get paid the most or filled first?

If you want to get paid the most that's usually a very competitive space. If you want to get fills think about where traders go when they need to take liquidity.

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hft_boy
 

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05-06-12 01:29 AM

That's a pretty mysterious response. Care to elaborate?

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Occam
 

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05-08-12 12:54 AM


Quote from hft_boy:

That's a pretty mysterious response. Care to elaborate?



I know you're not asking me, but I'm confident in saying that this is an incredibly comlplex problem. Exchanges are adding ever-more complex (and rapidly changing) pricing schemes and order types in an effort to differentiate themselves in a market where differentiation is getting ever harder, even as volume shrinks and B/D internalization rears its ugly head in defiance of a (haltingly) opposed SEC that wishes otherwise.

I think the investing public would be better off if all venues adopted identical pricing for adding vs. removing liquidity (rather than favoring adders or removers over the other), and B/D internalization and payment-for-order-flow were explicitly banned. But of course many B/D's wouldn't like this (as the present system gives them backdoor income at the expense of their retail clients) .

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Daal
 

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05-08-12 01:01 AM

I'm using limit orders to exit a stock. So far I have found that NSX provides a bit of savings over BATS

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hft_boy
 

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05-08-12 03:57 AM


Quote from Occam:

I know you're not asking me, but I'm confident in saying that this is an incredibly comlplex problem. Exchanges are adding ever-more complex (and rapidly changing) pricing schemes and order types in an effort to differentiate themselves in a market where differentiation is getting ever harder, even as volume shrinks and B/D internalization rears its ugly head in defiance of a (haltingly) opposed SEC that wishes otherwise.

I think the investing public would be better off if all venues adopted identical pricing for adding vs. removing liquidity (rather than favoring adders or removers over the other), and B/D internalization and payment-for-order-flow were explicitly banned. But of course many B/D's wouldn't like this (as the present system gives them backdoor income at the expense of their retail clients) .



Thanks. I agree about the broker/dealer internalization and order-flow payment, since it gives some players an informational edge over others. But why would identical pricing help? As far as I can tell, liquidity rebates encourage liquidity provision, which is - all things being equal - a good thing, no? Besides, with most retail brokers, investors don't have to pay (directly) ECN/exchange fees anyway.

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