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dom993
 

Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 537

 

03-09-12 03:08 AM

I wanted to thank you all for your constructive feedback ... at this time I have busied myself reviewing the differences between timeframes (V180 / V200 / V220 ... I added V100), which are essentially coming near the thresholds for pivots identification ... varying the timeframe sometimes changes the number of bars to the right or left of a pivot, making it appear or disappear "randomly" (I witnessed one pivot, present on the V200, but missing on both V180 & V220 for that very reason).

There isn't much I can do about it, I have started migrating to V100 which will provide a tiny bit more resolution.

All settings adjusted to have as similar thresholds to the V200 as possible, avg/trade varies from 76% on the V180 to 94% to V100, through 85% for the V220 (those % are in reference to the V200 avg/trade). Again I agree it is highly probable there is some over-optimization, as the original timeframe used for the system development has clearly the best performance. With that said, there is also likely an edge in the system, not as big as the V200 performance would indicate, but I am thinking 75% of that ...

I will redo the drawdown analysis using 75% & 50% of the original performance.

I used the boostrap util from the link TD80 provided (thanks!), the p-value returned using the entire backtesting distribution (normalized to %) is 0 (zero), where for the entire drawdown period it is 0.39 ... not sure what to do with that. But the Aronson book just arrived today (I had ordered it a couple weeks ago), may be after reading it I'll have better ideas on this topic.

I also realize I need to change trading platform for one better suited to system development & backtesting (currently using Ensign) ... but given the amount of work involved, my current line of thinking is to finish this system on Ensign, then take some time to select a new platform & get up to speed on it.

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TD80
 

Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 325

 

03-09-12 04:30 AM

The p-value result shouldn't be 0 but it might be a really small number (and thus be showing 0 in excel or somesuch if not properly configured).

Also keep in mind that the first page on that topic is talking about testing equity curves using a single rule. If you have a complete multi-rule system then you should refer to the follow-up article:

http://www.automated-trading-system...geometric-mean/

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tobbe
 

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 287

 

03-09-12 10:04 PM


Quote from austinp:
1-2-3 type patterns of any descript have so many variables to unfold, it is impossible to define by code.

Saying this, are you also saying that you can't teach someone to trade 1-2-3 type patterns profitably? Or do you instruct your students differently than you would a computer (and then why so)?


Quote from austinp:
How do you instruct the computer to manage trades that chop once or twice before finally taking off for substantial gains in favor the third time?

The same way you would instruct one of your students to manage them?

I'm not trying to pick on you. I am genuinely interested what, in your experience, makes it difficult to code logic that I think you believe can be taught (correct me if I am wrong).

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sheepsucker
 

Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 213

 

03-10-12 07:14 AM


Quote from tobbe:

Saying this, are you also saying that you can't teach someone to trade 1-2-3 type patterns profitably? Or do you instruct your students differently than you would a computer (and then why so)?

The same way you would instruct one of your students to manage them?

I'm not trying to pick on you. I am genuinely interested what, in your experience, makes it difficult to code logic that I think you believe can be taught (correct me if I am wrong).



austinp is a vendor, pretty much proof in itself that he is not a successful trader, making money selling services instead of making money trading.

He would probably also say whatever is needed to get clients.

So, IMO please dont encourage him to write more.

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oilfxpro
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 1600

 

03-11-12 07:47 AM


Quote from Eight:

Getting it down to a computer algo is not looking like a real good way to go at this point, only for scalping, not for catching the big moves and capitalizing on them..



This statement is totally incorrect.An algo can spot trends compared to random noise or what appears to be trends , it has less data input on trading noise and scalping.

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oilfxpro
 

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 1600

 

03-11-12 08:21 AM

I heard somewhere that only 1/3 of trend reverse on intraday basis.What are the actual statistics?

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