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MTE
 

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 3344

 

09-28-11 05:31 PM


Quote from falcon:

Exactly. If I receive more than $2 which is very possible then it works right.

What else an I missing?



You are not missing anything, but you are not gaining any advantage over a normal strangle where you would sell 19 puts and 21 calls.

I don't know how you are planning on daytrading it back and forth, but what's the point of putting on both sides, if you are planning on timing the market!?

I think you are missing the fact that you have unlimited loss potential if the stock moves up or down big.

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danshirley
 

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 415

 

09-28-11 06:13 PM

IBM:
currently at 180.62
Short Strangle:
http://www.theoptionsguide.com/short-guts.aspx
short the Nov 185 put for 10.65 and short the Nov 175 call for 11.30.
Net yield = 2195

Lower breakeven = 163.05 Prob = 20%
Upper breakeven = 196.95 Prob = 24%

Maximum loss risk = infinity

..............................P/L.............
155.....................(802)
160.....................(302)
165......................198
170......................698
175.....................1195
180.....................1195
185.....................1195
190.......................690
195.......................190
200.......................(320)
210......................(1310)

So what's the expected value??

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falcon
 

Registered: Sep 2009
Posts: 113

 

09-28-11 07:12 PM

The deltas on both sides would be close enough to 1 to make some money on small moves frequently, there is no timming of the market for the day trading portion.

I will be taking profits on both sides when the market provides by rolling up and down and taking in more credit always having both sides at any given time, this way I will know my credit if it stays within its range at expiration.

If it blows out to the downside Im not adverse to owing the stock and I open long positions to protect my upside.

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spindr0
 

Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 4166

 

09-28-11 08:00 PM


Quote from danshirley:

IBM:
currently at 180.62
Short Strangle:

short the Nov 185 put for 10.65 and short the Nov 175 call for 11.30.
Net yield = 2195

Maximum loss risk = infinity

Can you name a few stocks that have gone to infinity? Even close to infinity?

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spindr0
 

Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 4166

 

09-28-11 08:08 PM


Quote from falcon:

The deltas on both sides would be close enough to 1 to make some money on small moves frequently, there is no timming of the market for the day trading portion.

I will be taking profits on both sides when the market provides by rolling up and down and taking in more credit always having both sides at any given time, this way I will know my credit if it stays within its range at expiration.

If it blows out to the downside Im not adverse to owing the stock and I open long positions to protect my upside.

The sum total of the deltas will be greater than 1.00

Since both are ITM, that means that a move to either strike will lose money, assuming no passage of time (decay) or advantageous benefit from change in IV. Outside of either strike, it gets worse.

Successful timing is the only way that you'll make money with this unless the UL is within the confines of average of strikes +/- the net premium received. All the adjustments in the world will not help you unless the UL cooperates.

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traderlux
 

Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 620

 

03-13-12 03:49 PM

.....i have a question about this, but havent figured the question out yet...i am doing that dog with the bone thing that fv talks about...

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