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oldtime
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03-14-13 09:31 AM
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The disputed islands rich in oil and gas could cause a fundamental change in Japan's attitude. I f Japan is forced by China to accept a humiliating treaty then there will likely to be a strong call inside Japan for re-armament.
China holds some of the trump cards. Namely owning much of USA debt and a strong economy. Japan has the backing of the USA but their incompetent politicians have wasted their strength versus muslim extremists.
oh my gosh Humpy, take me off your ignore list, and stop believing everything you see on TV
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hftvol
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03-14-13 04:54 PM
I do not think so. Why? Because Japan shifted tactics. They appeal to the US and world at large by being "the calm and controlled guy" at the moment while they rightly point out that China time and again tries to stir up hostility by re-entering waters that are clearly disputed at the moment, by pointing out that China refuses to have the case settled by an international maritime law court. Plus Japans visit in the US. All that plays into the hands of Japan not China. China is frantically trying to pull other parties into its boat and it looks they do not have much to pull in when they have to go to New Guinea: Not the most powerful nor qualified backup I would say.
Neither China nor Japan will back down, that I can promise you, so either some bullets will be shot before heads are forced to cool off or the issue has to be settled by a third party that is acceptable to both sides. China and Japan are both cultures that have huge issues with face saving and even with agreeing to compromises. Butit does not matter much: The issue surrounding the Senkakus are hugely blown up, they have zero bearing on either nation's economic well being. The economic potential for natural resource finds is hugely overstated.
Quote from Humpy:
The disputed islands rich in oil and gas could cause a fundamental change in Japan's attitude. I f Japan is forced by China to accept a humiliating treaty then there will likely to be a strong call inside Japan for re-armament.
China holds some of the trump cards. Namely owning much of USA debt and a strong economy. Japan has the backing of the USA but their incompetent politicians have wasted their strength versus muslim extremists.
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Swan Noir
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03-14-13 06:07 PM
I am very much enjoying reading this thread. It is causing me to, if not change my mind, at least reexamine some of what I thought I knew.
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Humpy
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03-14-13 06:12 PM
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oh my gosh Humpy, take me off your ignore list, and stop believing everything you see on TV
Alright OT
Let's hope it doesn't come to shooting, but I haven't much faith in the restraint of either party. Japan has always felt itself to be superior since the Mongol fleet was wrecked 100s of years ago. To meekly submit would be a big embarrassment. IMHO
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oldtime
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03-14-13 06:26 PM
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Alright OT
Let's hope it doesn't come to shooting, but I haven't much faith in the restraint of either party. Japan has always felt itself to be superior since the Mongol fleet was wrecked 100s of years ago. To meekly submit would be a big embarrassment. IMHO
peace my friend, I'll try to be more polite from here on, I need an English friend with a good sense of humor, just don't get arrogant on me, because you know how that sets me off. That is why we sailed away from your miserable island and started the great United States of America.
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