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Redneck
 

Registered: Dec 2008
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03-07-12 03:44 AM


Quote from BobbiDigital:

RN - if you could indulge me, I have another question:

How particular are you about entering trades - in theory, we don't know if it's going to be a small loser, small winner, or big winner. So, assuming there is adequate risk:reward, are you more likely to pull the trigger often taking small losers or wait for 'perfect' setups and risk missing out entirely (assuming chasing the market is always a bad idea).

For me trading small size makes it easy to dabble in less than perfect setups, but once I start sizing up I imagine my mindset will change...

Thank you as always sir





BD

Glad to indulge you Sir…, and You are Very Welcome


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Assuming there is adequate R:R…,

Am I likely to pull the trigger, often taking small losers…

or

Do I wait on perfect setups, and risk missing out entirely

Many ways to answer your question BD

No…, Yes…., Maybe…, come to mind…

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Do perfect setups exist – yes (and if you would like to discuss this further simply say so)

Do less than perfect setups exist – yes…

Do I trade each – yes, unfortunately…

Do I miss out on moves – yes at times

Are entries one way I grade myself as a trader – You Betcha

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Taking anything less than a perfect set up is…, by default…, assuming more risk

So then the question is; Is assuming more risk appropriate?

The only acceptable answer is – only if the reward is commensurate...

Most times it aint…, and/ or often times we don’t know if it is - until it is too late.

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As a rule…, and the only advice I would share is…

Only take perfect set ups

Yup it takes patience…, and considerable tolerance for missing moves… but they also provide clear entries, targets, and most importantly, small risk


Having said this…, truth is…, sometimes I do take less than perfect setups…. Because I get impatient…, opinionated…, susceptible… (I’m only human)

But… NEVER would I make a habit out of it – nor a profitable career over the long haul


I absolutely know…, taking only perfect setups is the right way to trade…

I also absolutely know…, sometimes I screw up…

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Market is already tough enough…, no sense in helping – and/or – making it easier for – the market to take our money…

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Couple of additional thoughts

Absolutely nothing stopping a trader from adding additional perfect setups to his/ her tool bag – thereby diminishing further the need to take less than perfect setups – It only takes a few criteria to make one

Also..

One big difference between gambling / guessing… and trading – is our setups, and our ability to wait till they’ve materialized - imo of course

RN

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03-07-12 02:23 PM

Patience can be a real asset with trading - a common mistake in terms of timing an entry is typically on the early side. Reacting "to" the market condition versus getting chopped up and whipped around in a premature entry can be preferable. Probably the best way to accomplish this would be to make a conscious decision to sacrifice some trading range / profit targeting in exchange for better entry signal confirmation.

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oldtime
 

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03-07-12 02:49 PM


Quote from bone:

Patience can be a real asset with trading - a common mistake in terms of timing an entry is typically on the early side. Reacting "to" the market condition versus getting chopped up and whipped around in a premature entry can be preferable. Probably the best way to accomplish this would be to make a conscious decision to sacrifice some trading range / profit targeting in exchange for better entry signal confirmation.

what is that they say? "Never wrong, often early"

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emg
 

Registered: Feb 2010
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03-07-12 03:42 PM

u should take martial art. If u made it to black belt, u achieved discipline





Bruce Lee's influence is felt far beyond his chosen discipline of martial arts as he remains an iconic figure to all those who value harnassing mental as well as physical capabilities, emotional discipline, and the pursuit of self knowledge. Lee turned combat into art, a show of strength into a discipline and showed the world what we are capable of when our thoughts, emotions and actions are in the power of our will.

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bigarrow
 

Registered: Mar 2005
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03-07-12 04:59 PM


Quote from bone:

Patience can be a real asset with trading - a common mistake in terms of timing an entry is typically on the early side. Reacting "to" the market condition versus getting chopped up and whipped around in a premature entry can be preferable. Probably the best way to accomplish this would be to make a conscious decision to sacrifice some trading range / profit targeting in exchange for better entry signal confirmation.



Very good. For me the Brooks book has helped me control my anticipation to enter a trade early. I've hit quit a few bottoms and tops on trades, and that has cost me dearly because I've lost much more on the times I didn't catch the top or bottom, trying to repeat perfection. Brooks is a tough but good read but it did help clarify waiting, for me at least.

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intradaybill
 

Registered: Feb 2008
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03-07-12 05:09 PM


Quote from emg:

u should take martial art. If u made it to black belt, u achieved discipline



You are absolutely correct. Warren Buffett and Steven Cohen have a black belt.


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