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Scataphagos
 

Registered: Apr 2009
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10-15-12 01:18 PM


Quote from achilles28:

True. Solving problems it creates? Worthless and destructive.




Same old story... GREED! Trying to "get something for nothing".

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luisHK
 

Registered: Sep 2010
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10-15-12 01:18 PM


Quote from achilles28:

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The real answers are unpalatable: institute big tariffs against third-world producers,

The answer to your question is simple: Let the Free Market WORK.




Ain't there something wrong advocating big tariffs on import and free market at the same time ??

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panzerman
 

Registered: Aug 2006
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10-15-12 01:28 PM

Keynesians are really Fabians at the core (look it up.) What is needed in addition to what has been stated here, is the end of fiat currencies and fractional reserve banking.

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achilles28
 

Registered: Apr 2005
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10-16-12 12:10 AM


Quote from morganist:

I thought keynesians were more about maximising employment.



No, the chief objective of Keynesian economics is to smooth out the business cycle. Which indirectly, is supposed to maximize employment. As Scat mentioned, instead, they exacerbate the business cycle.

In practice, the FED has a dual mandate which is contrary to the Keynesian principles they invoke when it's convenient for them to do so: 1) strong dollar and 2) strong employment. Congress and the Executive hold the other side that equation (in theory), and are supposed to run deficits during bad times (check), but surpluses during good (nope). The Fed is supposed to lower rates during bad times (check), and hike them during good (nope). This is the schizoid "policy" our leaders subscribe too. In reality, they're only Keynesians when it's convenient for them to be Keynesian. When the hard part comes, neither the Congress or FED hold up their end of the bargain so we get these repetitive asset bubbles/busts that are extremely destructive to the economy, and ironically, the "dual mandate" the FED is chartered to uphold (strong employment). What's going on here is Congress and the FED operate off a very short time horizon (2 or 4 year Congressional or Presidential cycle), and vote for monetary policy that benefits their reelection chances, not in the best interest of the nation or the economy!! This is no different than the quarterly or semi-annual time horizons adopted by Wallstreet Executives, that in retrospect, encouraged reckless risk taking. Sound familiar? The same mentality that's infected Wallstreet has infected Congress and FED. This is why Keynesian economics does not work. The "hard part" is never implemented because bureaucrats always vote to keep themselves in a job, rather than do what's best for the Country! So now, we're run by cowards who've exchanged short-term gain for long-term pain. Sound familiar? Offshoring? Social Security? Medicare? This is the entire political mantra of the last 50 years.

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achilles28
 

Registered: Apr 2005
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10-16-12 12:15 AM


Quote from luisHK:

Ain't there something wrong advocating big tariffs on import and free market at the same time ??



Not at all. Free trade isn't fair trade. America was built on tariffs. China was built on tariffs. Free trade between nations with similar labor cost is fine. Ron Paul advocates free trade between all nations, except with minimal to no regulation and taxation. Under that policy regime, yes, free trade with every nation could work, because capital would flow into the United States. But under currency policy and unit labor cost, we bleed wealth to China.

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achilles28
 

Registered: Apr 2005
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10-16-12 12:16 AM


Quote from Scataphagos:

Same old story... GREED! Trying to "get something for nothing".



I suppose God will deal with them in the end. Like He will deal with all of us.

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