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mb_es
 

Registered: Sep 2011
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08-29-12 11:26 PM

Would love to hear some perspectives (pros/cons) of joining a prop firm vs. portfolio margining a retail account.

Seems like one of the biggest downsides to becoming a 'professional' - broker certification such as series 56, is that one is now required to pay live data feeds (~$200) for each brokerage account.

One of the biggest upsides seems to be access to greater buying power ... but that is a double-edged sword.

Thoughts?

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RedEyeFly
 

Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 324

 

09-10-12 12:19 PM

Bump, thanks.

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Don Bright
Bright Trading, LLC

Registered: Oct 2001
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09-10-12 08:41 PM


Quote from mb_es:

Would love to hear some perspectives (pros/cons) of joining a prop firm vs. portfolio margining a retail account.

Seems like one of the biggest downsides to becoming a 'professional' - broker certification such as series 56, is that one is now required to pay live data feeds (~$200) for each brokerage account.

One of the biggest upsides seems to be access to greater buying power ... but that is a double-edged sword.

Thoughts?



Give me a call tomorrow, and I will give you both sides (promise). 702.739.1393 usually between 8-10 Pacific time.

edit: To give you an idea however, when we set up for Portfolio Margin with our private family group, we found out very quickly about something called "Risk Margin" - which is totally discretionary by the Broker/Clearing Firm. We found out that we were not always entitled to what we expected (about 6 to one leverage), in fact we had to put extra money in for certain positions. But, call anyway if you like.

Don

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Maverick74
 

Registered: Mar 2002
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09-10-12 09:45 PM

I probably know as much about portfolio margin as anyone on here. My firm was the first firm in the country to start offering them back in 2007. I could probably explain a few things to Don as well about it. Ask away...

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mb_es
 

Registered: Sep 2011
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09-10-12 09:52 PM

Thanks Don and Mav!

Curious why a trader would join a prop firm if they can trade the ES and have 14:1 leverage with overnight margin ... and close to 60:1 leverage with intraday margin?

Is the primary reason because the trading futures is way more complicated for the average retail 'investor' who would be the ideal target for a prop firm?

Re portfolio margin ... I understand it's 6:1 with TD Ameritrade, but they set max position size and max loss levels. Is that correct? Can you elaborate?

Thanks!
M

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mb_es
 

Registered: Sep 2011
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09-10-12 09:53 PM


Quote from Don Bright:

Give me a call tomorrow, and I will give you both sides (promise). 702.739.1393 usually between 8-10 Pacific time.

Don



Awesome, thanks Don ... will try you tomorrow ... if not on Wednesday.

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