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tmantrader
 

Registered: Feb 2008
Posts: 10

 

08-01-12 09:48 PM

Very interesting Tom. Have you developed the rules for the scalping (and other games) using your own proprietary methods or is that something the user does in your software?

Also does G-Bot trade IB Combos? I use IB to trade stock, option and ETF pairs (for example HD/LOW, MA/V, USO/UNG, GDX/GLD,) and have done a lot of mean reversion / scalp type trades manually (and with the IB scale trader).

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fullautotrading
 

Registered: Mar 2010
Posts: 593

 

08-02-12 04:29 PM


Quote from tmantrader:

Very interesting Tom. Have you developed the rules for the scalping (and other games) using your own proprietary methods or is that something the user does in your software?

Also does G-Bot trade IB Combos? I use IB to trade stock, option and ETF pairs (for example HD/LOW, MA/V, USO/UNG, GDX/GLD,) and have done a lot of mean reversion / scalp type trades manually (and with the IB scale trader).


In time, i have slowly brought on the interface a good number of "trading rules" which were used internally and governing the, so called, "order cloud formation". I am also continuosly adding new ones, as ideas develop and mature (clearly, sustained by the fantastic feedback and work of many people and fund managers supporting me), making it more an more abstract.

Changing these rules, it can change completely the trading behavior (even transform it in an incredible loser :-))) ). In fact, it is totally possible that some traders/fund managers may come out with much better "games" than those i am currently using. (Clearly, they can also be tested in a "simulation system", using exactly the same engine which trades, also incorporated in the app, which i also improve continuosly.)

Below a picture displaying a series of screenshots with some of those rules. I don't show the image on the thread page because i am pretty sure it would mess up the site, as it's pretty "high". Considering that this is only a small part which is brought "outside", you can have an idea of what is going on inside (with all the other supporting mechanisms: cointegrations, balancing, direction, speed, PNL computations, async orders, data filtering, stats, etc... ). In practice, a neverending challenging work, requiring a lot of detailed care and continuosly evolving with new ideas ...

Being programmed entirely from scratch, basically i can make it behave in whatever way i might imagine. Clearly, i embark only in directions which reasonably promise improving $$$/risk and make sense to me ;-)) ["prediction" is banned: see also this thread on Linkedin
Does "Prediction" make sense in algorithmical trading or is it for "crackpots"
? :-) ]

(I would not trade "stocks", as it somehow violates the logic behind the current games.
Trading manually is pretty hard, i could never really "beat" the app :-)) )

tradingruleslist.png
This has been downloaded 191 time(s).

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Dr Who
 

Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 151

 

08-05-12 06:50 PM

I appreciate that this is an ongoing project but have you done any studies as to the longterm return you're getting compared to a buy and hold strategy ? It would be good to see a timeline of the return to see if your bot changes/additions are increasing/decreasing your return.

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fullautotrading
 

Registered: Mar 2010
Posts: 593

 

08-05-12 11:08 PM


Quote from Dr Who:

I appreciate that this is an ongoing project but have you done any studies as to the longterm return you're getting compared to a buy and hold strategy ? It would be good to see a timeline of the return to see if your bot changes/additions are increasing/decreasing your return.


Hi Dr Who,

Well, i adopt changes only if they prove to be more effective performance-wise (in addition to have an intuitive meaning and value).
I can't really stop, this is a continuous improvement. :-)

(The app has simulation facilities inside, to sample performances that over a vast space of price curves.)

Further, anyone can trade on his own side local machines and see the impact of the various possible setting changes or explore new approaches.

This is a context where volatility ("variance") plays absolutely the role of the lion. So what matters (to me) is the average performance and, even more importantly, it's stability or "robustness" (small coefficient of variation, good distribution, etc.) in the sampling space. I don't even look at the past performance or the performance on any single realization. (It can only be misleading, as far as i know.)

[ btw, i am about to redistribute the app with the latest suggestions and enhancements, please let me know if i have missed any one of you people who have kindly requested it to participate in the project testing from my website: if i have, it was not intended, clearly :-) ]

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Dr Who
 

Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 151

 

08-17-12 12:24 PM

I assume that the 'G' stands for 'grid' ?

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mickson
 

Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 230

 

08-18-12 09:20 AM


Quote from Dr Who:

I assume that the 'G' stands for 'grid' ?



I assume Gastaldi

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