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Moderate
 

Registered: Mar 2006
Posts: 584

 

07-25-12 09:00 PM

this is probably the number 1 issue in trading have fun figuring it out , play some poker it'll help

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logic_man
 

Registered: Oct 2010
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07-25-12 09:35 PM


Quote from Crude Man:

If I can become comfortable holding a position I'm in without becoming overly worried about what the trade is doing or going to do, I feel like I can cross the threshold of successful trading.

How does one become comfortable with ambiguity?

Why is it so hard to stay in a trade even when I trade one lot, and I am not trading scared money, and I well capitalized.

How do other traders deal with this affliction?



I immerse myself in my historical trading data. I don't care what anyone says, historical data can teach you something about what to do going forward. I'm collecting about 30 pieces of data per trade. I just ran an analysis today on some new data I've collected this month and it showed me that an outcome that I really don't want only happens a small percentage of the time, so I shouldn't let that possibility dominate my decision-making process. Yes, things change, but seeing the data make you realize that you are projecting those worst-case outcomes as the typical outcome, when in fact they are not the typical outcome, they are outliers and are likely to remain outliers. As long as your historical data doesn't make you overconfident and willing to risk too much on a single trade or set of trades, I see no real downside to collecting as much of it as possible. Think back to "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator" and in the first chapter Livermore talks about all the historical data he would collect based on his early tape-reading exercises. I would say that after capital, data is the second-most important trading resource.

Figure out what your specific data needs are for your particular fears and start collecting it. If you can get it from your prior trades, all the better, so you have a lot of data right from the start.

Another thing, and this is a little riskier because not everything that works works on multiple instruments, but if you can expand the number of things you trade, that can help, since you'll be more diversified in terms of your opportunities. I monitor 4 different markets at this point and I might get a trade in 2 on a given day, but I actually average less than 1 trade taken per day across the 4, so I know that it's sometimes easy to focus on the 1 potential outcome of that trade, but now it is a lot better than when I only traded one instrument.

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Ghost of Cutten
 

Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 2632

 

07-26-12 02:09 AM


Quote from Crude Man:

If I can become comfortable holding a position I'm in without becoming overly worried about what the trade is doing or going to do, I feel like I can cross the threshold of successful trading.

How does one become comfortable with ambiguity?

Why is it so hard to stay in a trade even when I trade one lot, and I am not trading scared money, and I well capitalized.

How do other traders deal with this affliction?



You need more experience. That will give you the confidence to do the right thing, because you have seen it happen so many times before. Just keep studying, keep trading, keep reviewing your decisions and your results, and work on improving your skills. Over time your ability to 'sit' will improve, just like a boxer who works on his skills will get faster and hit harder and more accurately.

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nazzdack
 

Registered: Jul 2004
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07-26-12 06:23 AM


Quote from Crude Man:
----comfortable holding a position....
----overly worried about what the trade is doing or going to do....
----cross the threshold.....
----become comfortable with ambiguity?
----hard to stay in a trade....
----scared money.....


1) Do what you can to shorten your time horizon.
2) It can be "easier" to earn $1, one million times, than to earn $1000000, one time.

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LetItRide
 

Registered: Jan 2011
Posts: 12

 

07-26-12 06:06 PM


Quote from Crude Man:


Why is it so hard to stay in a trade even when I trade one lot, and I am not trading scared money, and I well capitalized.



you feel this way because you don't have a well defined trading plan and so your entries and exit are not clearly defined. Your feeling uncomfortable/anxious is your subconscious telling you that you don't know how to deal with a losing trade.
A smaller trade size or trading with money you can lose will not make you comfortable. You need to "nut up" as RN would say and work on developing a detailed trading plan with well defined targets and stop loss.
When you do that your anxiety will disappear because you'll simply let the price hit your stop loss or profit target.
Unfortunately there are no short cuts. Its time to nut up and grind it out.

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NoDoji
 

Registered: May 2008
Posts: 8107

 

07-26-12 06:19 PM


Quote from LetItRide:

You need to "nut up" as RN would say and work on developing a detailed trading plan with well defined targets and stop loss.



+1000

I still hear the echoes of RN telling me to "nut up".

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