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achilles28
 

Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 7534

 

07-25-12 09:39 AM

Possibly, I don't know the exact back office mechanics for forex. It's one or the other. At some point, either the broker, or the LP, has to provide the leverage...?

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oldtime
 

Registered: Jun 2011
Posts: 7348

 

07-27-12 02:01 AM


Quote from Traveler:

The OP should stop trading until he understands this material thouroughly.

he's not even trading yet, and I would rather a trader persists in asking a question no matter how many smart alec replies he gets from posters who can't even understand the question let alone know the answer.

he wasn't asking why do brokers offer margin

he was asking "Where does it come from?

I have been trading a long time and still don't fully understand the answer to that question, so the question is a good one.

at anyrate opie, margin is not just spe3cdific to forex, it's involved in a lot of other trading also.

If you go the CME website they will swear up and down that margin is not a loan, but that's exactly what it is. They call it a performance bond, so the whole thing is run on money created out of thin air. I give the broker my word that even though I only have 1k, I'm good for 50k, and he gives his word to the fcm that I am good for it, and the fcm gives his word to the bank. Nobody ever actually has to come up with the real money, they just all need to agree that everybody is good for it.

do a search on "Margin" broaden your horizon beyond forex, because if you search forex anything all you are going to get are several pages of sales pitches from forex brokers, and when that ends it goes into "how to make money in forex?

But you ask a good question, maybe some one with more knowledge than me can give us both a more clear understanding.

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atticus
 

Registered: Mar 2007
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07-27-12 03:00 AM


Quote from Tango 6 Alpha:

Wrong. Failure to understand the business you are committed to, has got to be one of the biggest reasons why so many Retail FX Traders don't make it through to the FXPB stage.

If you already have FXPB start-up capital and you don't already have the requisite trading experience, knowledge and/or skill to be a successful trader long-term, then you really don't have any business opening a true Institutional Account (most won't allow it anyway).

So, it is important for the "newbie" to develop both an understanding of how to trade consistently, as well as an understanding of the business that controls the bid/ask of each position they take. Otherwise, you end up on trading platforms like Oanda and a host of other arcade game type trading platforms, thinking that you are actually trading through a genuine "Broker" to the "real" Interbank Market - when neither will be true in any case.

In all of the entire United States of America, there are only 3-4 genuine FX Brokers out there:

- CitiFX
- IB
- DCFX (originally out of New Zealand, but has a San Diego, Ca., Office)

If you are trading "Retail FX" anywhere else, then there is a very high probability that you are trading with a pure Bucket Shop. And, that means that your trades will never see the light of day on the real Interbank Market - which by definition means that you are trading inside a closed-loop proprietary pool of liquidity, where your Bid/Ask is being "cooked" just right for the conditions that keep short-term day traders less than profitable in the aggregate.

A newbie to "FX" must take the time to educate themselves and learn something about how the "Retail House" is operated. It is NOT the same as the Interbank House. Both Houses are run differently and the net/net effect on your bottom line hangs on the understanding of how they differ.

Once you generate a boat load of capital AND you develop some basic (fundamental) technical trading skills, the sky is truly the limit in FX. But, it will need to be done on a genuine Institutional trading platform and through a genuine Prime Brokerage Account.

Can you be successful long-term in Retail Bucket Shops? Sure, but that all depends on what you classify as "successful" to begin with and you can count on running into all manner of "dealer gamesmanship" along the way: Excess slippage, Unfilled Orders, Partial Filled Orders, Price Spike Not Seen on Other Platforms Near Your Stop Level, etc., etc., etc. So, get ready for those games.

Or, better yet - take the $300k that worked hard to build in Retail, and move it to a low level (entry) Institutional brand and start building real wealth with lightening fast executions, precious little slippage, instant fills, genuine depth of market discovery, iceberg order types, Alias order types and inside the pip spreads - down to zero spreads at times.

- Its a Career - not a hobby.
- Its a Profession - not job.
- Its a Vocation - not a temporary assignment.
- Its a Business - not personal relationship.
- Its a Life - not a fad.

This is the mentality of those who end up successful in FX.



Hosea,

How's Antioch treating you? Mercedes still working?

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atticus
 

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 12608

 

07-27-12 07:23 PM


Quote from Tango 6 Alpha:

You quote Tango 6 Alpha, but refer to a "Hosea" and a "Mercedes?" Are you a used car dealer trying to sell something or a Trader? And, what's "Antioch?" Can you define your terms?

Google "Re-Usable Launch Vehicles" with those same terms and then figure out why the phrase "Garbage in - Garbage out" has you so utterly confused. Maybe you'll actually learn something.



You former ET handle was Veyron 16.4. Your first name is "Hosea" and your wife's name is "Mercedes". You live in Antioch California in Section 8 housing and are a bankrupt retail FX trader. Your wife is a cleaning woman who works 60 hours a week so you can sit on your ass and fleece newbs on the internet.

You also go by various other aliases such as "7thsignaltrader" on T2W and other forums. 7thsignaltrader is also mentioned in your youtube videos.

You traded a small account for a guy on the forums and you blew out the account in a few weeks. 90% loss with no uptick. Blamed it on FXCM.... yet you continued to trade your micro-account with them.

You no longer trade retail because you're flat-out busted.

Would you like me to continue?

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achilles28
 

Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 7534

 

07-27-12 07:24 PM

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chipmunk
 

Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 846

 

07-27-12 08:16 PM

it should be mandataroy traders take a crash course in money management before attempting to trade. Risk more than 5% per trade and you will blow out! Yet with forex....all that goes out of the window

I've seen so many clowns on the Net saying trading on 100:1+ leverage gives no problems......it never stops!

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