1. I like your little misdirection about zeus.... clever. Substituting some specific idea to stand in place of the idea of a tuner.... is a very good rhetorical device. We have seen Dawkins pull that little misdirection a lot.
You are getting close to understanding the science now. You seem to be implicitly conceding that many scientists state our universe appears tuned. --- that is a big first step away from ignorance and towards science for you.
2. Now all you have to do is realize that at the moment a tuner is no more super natural than a infinite unseen, unproven untested universes.
3. Finally, ( I do not expect you to be capable of getting this far) And to anyone without a bias, given the current state of science, a tuner is the most obvious explanation for tunings.
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Susskind is right. God is an option, as is Zeus an option, just as Fairy Dust is an option.
However, were any of those options capable of turning into possibilities, then all of them are possibilities, as much as any other supernatural concepts are.
"Luck, megaverse/ multiverse, someday find a theory of everything" are not supernatural concepts. They have the potential to be scientifically confirmed. Unlike supernatural things, which although sometimes can be made to sound intruiging, though not by you, amount to no more than convoluted mind burps.
Nevertheless, infantile insult is obviously the option you prefer to revert to, giving little to no possibility you're going to be anything but very angry and irrational because there is no place for your so called tuner/designer in science. Except perhaps in areas of study which can determine why some humans' are overly susceptible to the superstition of religion.
2. Now all you have to do is realize that at the moment a tuner is no more super natural than a infinite unseen, unproven untested universes.
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A tuner ?
There may be some far-out scientific theories out there but none of them include the idea of a tuner even though the universe "appears" to be fine tuned.
Just because some of those theories seem unbelievable, the idea of a "God" or "tuner" does not then become more believable. It remains in the realm of faith alone, and the super natural.
There may be some far-out scientific theories out there but none of them include the idea of a tuner even though the universe "appears" to be fine tuned.
Just because some of those theories seem unbelievable, the idea of a "God" or "tuner" does not then become more believable. It remains in the realm of faith alone, and the super natural.
IOW: You have no clue but you'll wildly speculate anyway.
Evolution/Big Bang is wildly speculative. The proponents don't understand that sometimes, sometimes they do but they insist they have science on their side and everybody else is in the horrible grip of "blind faith".
Evolution is comforting to people that don't want to answer to God, it lets them off the hook. So does the idea that man invented God instead of the other way around.. and that a happy religious person is that way due to psychological reasons... and the idea that the Bible is purely myth is also very comforting to people.. The thing is if one investigates the other side of the story one finds that the Bible is an amazing document, that religious people are living a little different existence and that creation is amazing and couldn't have happened by accident, not even in the timeline the evolution nuts posit..
Evolution/Big Bang is wildly speculative. The proponents don't understand that sometimes, sometimes they do but they insist they have science on their side and everybody else is in the horrible grip of "blind faith".
Evolution is comforting to people that don't want to answer to God, it lets them off the hook. So does the idea that man invented God instead of the other way around.. and that a happy religious person is that way due to psychological reasons... and the idea that the Bible is purely myth is also very comforting to people.. The thing is if one investigates the other side of the story one finds that the Bible is an amazing document, that religious people are living a little different existence and that creation is amazing and couldn't have happened by accident, not even in the timeline the evolution nuts posit..
Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution in this day and age are ignorant, stupid, delusional or some combination of the three. Period.
