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DarthSidious
 

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 367

 

07-12-12 03:50 PM

I use Sierra Chart with TT feed. Sierra Chart lacks:


  1. Ability to plot multiple instruments % change
  2. Ability to plot the spread itself
  3. Very limited spread order entry capability (basically nothing that is useable)


Solutions:

  1. Here is some code I posted in SC forums. You can plot up to 5 symbols + the % change delta between one of the pairs SC thread with code & explanations
  2. I can post the code for this at a later date (it works, but it needs to pass my review before I post it publicly)
  3. You are on your own. If you have up to 3 legs, this should not be much of an issue - just leg in


Hopefully, if anyone is a SC user (and many are), this will help you kick the tires

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FJMcC
 

Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 93

 

07-20-12 06:26 PM

The best, most consistently successfull traders I knew in the pits, were almost all spread traders of some sort. Some of them were extremely sophisticated, spreading back months in the Eurodollar pit. Others were very simple, focused guys whose sytems or methods allowed them to trade pretty basic spreads like the Crush for solid money, day in and day out. It shouldn't be a suprise that a lot of these strategies have been tweaked, computerized, and taken to new levels by hedge funds, banks, and prop firms.

In my opinion, and I am only half joking, well constructed spreads, especially the less well known synthetics (correlation based, lead/lag) can be so easily profitable for chunks of time, the only problem is that you can get cocky in a hurry.

It is so smooth that a smaller, on his own, trader can get too big, too loose with risk control, and find himself caught real bad if he's not careful. Maybe that is one of the reasons even big firms have spectacular blowouts after years of consistent outperformance.

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bone
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4329

 

07-20-12 09:25 PM


Quote from FJMcC:

The best, most consistently successfull traders I knew in the pits, were almost all spread traders of some sort.



I started out scalping in the T-Bond Pit in the early 90's. After buying a couple rounds of drinks for some floor brokers and asking them who was consistently profitable they all exclaimed in complete inebriated exhuberence: "The Spreaders". At that point, I switched my clearing to TransMarket Group ( which was known to clear many big spread traders and spread floor brokers of all shapes and sizes and species ) and was fortunate enough to get mentored along by Ray Cahnman and several prominent locals. Buying rounds of drinks and being a stand-up guy and facilitator to the brokers filling customer paper was a smart way to go about it in those days.

The tough thing about the modern electronic trading environment is that every person seems to be an isolated island - where it is so difficult to find a quality exchange of information amongst practicing professionals.

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2rosy
 

Registered: May 2012
Posts: 336

 

07-24-12 02:20 AM


Quote from bone:


The tough thing about the modern electronic trading environment is that every person seems to be an isolated island - where it is so difficult to find a quality exchange of information amongst practicing professionals.



go back to tmg or one of the other firms in town.

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bone
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07-24-12 05:16 PM


Quote from 2rosy:

go back to tmg or one of the other firms in town.



Well, it is certainly true that most of the surviving proprietary firms in Chicago will have a staff of traders dominated by those using some sort of spread or arbitrage strategy. How much those traders want to share with someone, of course, is another matter altogether.

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dandxg
 

Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 4271

 

08-12-12 10:59 PM

Hey Bone, I appreciate your posts and they did get my interested in spread trading.

Am I correct though in that it seems a lot more complicated than directional trading?

I know if I pay you the 7k you will teach me, but how does one even contemplate spread trading. I know a bit about correlation and use it but I could never figure out how to construct these charts and what I would look for. What would be a realistic account minimum 25k less, more?

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