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Registered: Mar 2006
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06-02-12 04:55 AM

I too once was a young padawan shorting treasuries

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atrocious
 

Registered: Mar 2010
Posts: 164

 

06-03-12 07:51 PM

It's becoming fashionable to ridicule early top pickers and throw out 1% targets much like the entire CNBC fast money crew said $200 oil was a lock in 2008 about a week before it topped. Wish I had the video.

Food for thought:

I heard multiple times this weekend that bonds are being bought without regard to price/yield, just capital preservation. Why then is the long end blowing out, when you can preserve capital in 3 month bills still trading at a positive nominal yield?

I also hear "don't fight the fed" as justification for owning the long end. Well, considering 1.40% on the 10's is clearly a deflationary doomsday yield, you have to ask yourself who is fighting the fed when the chairman said he will do everything in his power to prevent a deflationary spiral.

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benwm
 

Registered: Mar 2008
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06-05-12 10:36 AM

Where is Taleb's "uncle" point?

Old article (shorting at 3.64% yield)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=azLmks3BmQm4

"It's a no brainer", he said. "Every single human being should have that trade."

And I wonder how Kyle Bass is doing with that short JGB position. When does he throw in the towel?

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Ghost of Cutten
 

Registered: Aug 2009
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06-05-12 12:26 PM


Quote from atrocious:

It's becoming fashionable to ridicule early top pickers and throw out 1% targets much like the entire CNBC fast money crew said $200 oil was a lock in 2008 about a week before it topped. Wish I had the video.

Food for thought:

I heard multiple times this weekend that bonds are being bought without regard to price/yield, just capital preservation. Why then is the long end blowing out, when you can preserve capital in 3 month bills still trading at a positive nominal yield?

I also hear "don't fight the fed" as justification for owning the long end. Well, considering 1.40% on the 10's is clearly a deflationary doomsday yield, you have to ask yourself who is fighting the fed when the chairman said he will do everything in his power to prevent a deflationary spiral.



Agree, Treasuries are now a serious risk to capital preservation, you could lose 10-20% in the long end if yields back up.

However, they are in a bull market so I don't think shorting them makes sense until they get into parabolic blowoff mode.

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Tradethoven
 

Registered: Jun 2011
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08-14-12 08:57 PM

Where did all those guys ridiculing the bear go? Still nursing those 152 longs? Lmao.

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