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nitro Dec 22nd, 2011 01:58 PM

Completely understand why HFT must exist
For the first time ever, I completely understand the mathematical reason why HFT and profits at this energy/small times must exist.

It remains to be seen if the understanding at a theoretical level leads to a viable strategy, but for me understanding things on this level helps me connect with other knowledge and usually leads to insights. Interestingly, assuming markets are fractal, I also understand why we see similar oscillations on higher time frames.

vikana Dec 22nd, 2011 02:23 PM

Come on Nitro ... how about a little detail behind your insight? I could be a bit too much Gløgg this time of year :)

Happy Holidays and thanks for all your past contributions!

nazzdack Dec 22nd, 2011 02:41 PM

Re: Completely understand why HFT must exist

Quote from nitro:
----For the first time ever, I completely understand....
----theoretical level....
----viable strategy....
----understanding things....
----markets are fractal....
----similar oscillations....
----higher time frames.

Do you believe that HFT "predicts" the market or "manipulates" the market? :confused:

StarDust9182 Dec 22nd, 2011 03:04 PM

Me too .... its so that people can endlessly talk about it and blame their losses on something outside themselves while re-assuring themselves their gains come from their brilliant trading skill. In short it keeps people in the game who shouldn't be in the game.

I have long maintained that the majority of traders have no idea what they are really trading.

Random.Capital Dec 22nd, 2011 03:24 PM

HFT is the replacement for nickel and dime spreads.

The rise of HFT is the market's way of signaling that it doesn't work "right" at penny spreads.

bwolinsky Dec 22nd, 2011 05:29 PM

HFT exists out of market structure, not efficiency.

The motivation of brokers is to seek best execution at all times to earn their commission and to trade against other market participants.

The cure to HFT is to implement a trading environment that is only concerned with accurate fills and elimination of getting picked off by market makers and specialists who know ahead of time how large the book coming down the pipe is. Doing this will eliminate bid/ask spreads entirely, and the existence of pre-determined market hours that generally must always post a best bid and offer is the reason for HFT.

This can be eliminated from the market structure using the technologies I've developed, and will find price better than the transactionalism that is prevalent at every trading company today.

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