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Posted by Maverick74 on 10-09-11 09:20 PM:

The Dark Side Of Steve Jobs

http://gawker.com/5847344/what-ever...bout-steve-jobs

Good article that gives a more balanced look at who Steve Jobs was. Hint, it makes Dick Cheney seem like a really great guy. LOL.

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Posted by traderslair on 10-09-11 09:33 PM:

bah, I'm at least 100 times worse.

Is that all they got about him?

Posted by THE-BEAKER on 10-09-11 09:34 PM:

god works in mysterious ways.

what goes around comes around.

Posted by Magna on 10-09-11 09:53 PM:

Re: The Dark Side Of Steve Jobs

Quote from Maverick74:

...Good article that gives a more balanced look at who Steve Jobs was.

Saw the article a couple days ago and while it may surprise some it's been common knowledge for years that Jobs could be quite impatient and abusive. In fact many aspects of that personality were covered 12 years ago in the 1999 film "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" with Noah Wyle (most famous for playing Dr. John Carter on ER) playing Jobs. I've heard countless similar tales about Thomas Edison's disposition and I guess it sometimes goes with the territory, these guys were not angels but they definitely were visionaries.

Posted by Maverick74 on 10-09-11 10:01 PM:

Re: Re: The Dark Side Of Steve Jobs

Quote from Magna:

Saw the article a couple days ago and while it may surprise some it's been common knowledge for years that Jobs could be quite impatient and abusive. In fact many aspects of that personality were covered 12 years ago in the 1999 film "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" with Noah Wyle (most famous for playing Dr. John Carter on ER) playing Jobs. I've heard countless similar tales about Thomas Edison's disposition and I guess it sometimes goes with the territory, these guys were not angels but they definitely were visionaries.


I saw that movie and it was a great film. Apparently Sony just bought the rights to a new film on his life. Yes, I was aware as were many others of the darker side of Steve Jobs, but most Americans are not. There is a dark side to personal achievement at that high a level. It usually comes at some cost.

I think it is interesting though now in light of the occupy wall street debates in terms of the 1% group. Most people would gladly hang a Goldman banker on Wall Street because he pushes buttons on a computer. But how many kids in China have cancer because of working at Foxcon? How many have died? How many have killed themselves? How many lives have been ruined to push out the next great i-phone.

At the end of the day, maybe we should put more thought into who we want to "hang".

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Posted by turkeyneck on 10-09-11 11:06 PM:

Just another stereotypical Type A personality. What's the big deal?

Posted by Maverick74 on 10-09-11 11:14 PM:

Quote from turkeyneck:

Just another stereotypical Type A personality. What's the big deal?


I guess it's a big deal if you work for Goldman and you have a type A personality.

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Posted by adadadog on 10-09-11 11:19 PM:

The overwhelming factor that drove his life was that his biological parents abandoned him and gave up him for adoption. He struggled against it during his young age and everything he did in hist adult life was to compensate this.

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Posted by Maverick74 on 10-09-11 11:25 PM:

Quote from adadadog:

The overwhelming factor that drove his life was that his biological parents abandoned him and gave up him for adoption. He struggled against it during his young age and everything he did in hist adult life was to compensate this.


I agree.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/226...did-steve-j.htm

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Posted by Hombre on 10-10-11 12:52 AM:

Quote from adadadog:

The overwhelming factor that drove his life was that his biological parents abandoned him and gave up him for adoption. He struggled against it during his young age and everything he did in hist adult life was to compensate this.


Why would have any adult even care about that ?

Posted by Peri on 10-10-11 01:56 AM:

Quote from adadadog:

The overwhelming factor that drove his life was that his biological parents abandoned him and gave up him for adoption. He struggled against it during his young age and everything he did in hist adult life was to compensate this.


Without a doubt a true enough statement.

Makes the fact that he denied paternity of his first born for so many years all the more interesting/pathetic/disgusting.

Posted by Samsara on 10-10-11 02:36 AM:

Quote from Hombre:

Why would have any adult even care about that ?


The unconscious mind is unbelievably powerful.

The events in your life that define its fixations play a more causal role in who you are every day than you might think.

Posted by Eddiefl on 10-10-11 02:54 AM:

Re: The Dark Side Of Steve Jobs

Quote from Maverick74:

http://gawker.com/5847344/what-ever...bout-steve-jobs

Good article that gives a more balanced look at who Steve Jobs was. Hint, it makes Dick Cheney seem like a really great guy. LOL.




waaa, waaa, So, a titan of a highly competitive industry has a sharp tongue and has zero patience for losses.

Sounds like every other................ ceo, General, President, athlete, actor, business owner, who has gone to achieve greatness in a 30 year span.

Pick any CEO , who has lasted 30+ years and they will find dirt on him.

EF

Posted by chaosclarity on 10-10-11 03:45 AM:

I support not donating one dime to charity. I could go on in an essay of why not...but I feel the reasons are fairly obvious. Donating to charity might make you feel good, but which charities actually do anything good with the money. Which charity organization has found a cure or treatment to cancer or has actually solved world hunger?

This article is good and gives good reasons why you should never ever donate to charity. Not donating to charity, like Steve Jobs, isnt a bad thing afterall...

http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/05...perhero-part-2/

Posted by Maverick74 on 10-10-11 03:47 AM:

Quote from chaosclarity:

I support not donating one dime to charity. I could go on in an essay of why not...but I feel the reasons are fairly obvious. Donating to charity might make you feel good, but which charities actually do anything good with the money. Which charity organization has found a cure or treatment to cancer or has actually solved world hunger?

This article is good and gives good reasons why you should never ever donate to charity. Not donating to charity, like Steve Jobs, isnt a bad thing afterall...

http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/05...perhero-part-2/


Of course you give to charity. You pay taxes don't you?

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Posted by Trend Following on 10-10-11 03:51 AM:

Re: Re: The Dark Side Of Steve Jobs

Quote from Eddiefl:

waaa, waaa, So, a titan of a highly competitive industry has a sharp tongue and has zero patience for losses.

Sounds like every other................ ceo, General, President, athlete, actor, business owner, who has gone to achieve greatness in a 30 year span.

Pick any CEO , who has lasted 30+ years and they will find dirt on him.

EF


Agreed, but then again a lack of patience for incompetence is not exactly 'dirt' in my mind.

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Posted by Maverick74 on 10-10-11 03:54 AM:

Re: Re: Re: The Dark Side Of Steve Jobs

Quote from Trend Following:

Agreed, but then again a lack of patience for incompetence is not exactly 'dirt' in my mind.


I don't think the article was trying to put an emphasis on his temper or patience but rather a glorified liberal who was anything but with his treatment of Chinese workers making .10 a day with no bathroom breaks at Foxcon. It's a pretty sad story. But hey, the new I-phone 4S comes in white! Yippee!

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Posted by bigarrow on 10-10-11 04:18 AM:

Dick Cheney, really ? I didn't know Jobs was partially responsible starting a trillion dollar war where thousands of young American soldiers die and many more severely injured. Or does the article talk about jobs water boarding his competitors ? I'm really too disinterested to read the article, sorry for my laziness.

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Posted by Maverick74 on 10-10-11 04:27 AM:

Quote from bigarrow:

Dick Cheney, really ? I didn't know Jobs was partially responsible starting a trillion dollar war where thousands of young American soldiers die and many more severely injured. Or does the article talk about jobs water boarding his competitors ? I'm really too disinterested to read the article, sorry for my laziness.


Let's put it this way. Foxcon was two steps below a German labor work camp. He did everything but lead them into the showers and drop cyanide on them. It turns out, the workers at Foxcon were willing to kill themselves. How convenient.

And there is no excuse for laziness. Ignorance is bliss.

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Posted by bigarrow on 10-10-11 06:16 AM:

Quote from Maverick74:

Let's put it this way. Foxcon was two steps below a German labor work camp. He did everything but lead them into the showers and drop cyanide on them. It turns out, the workers at Foxcon were willing to kill themselves. How convenient.

And there is no excuse for laziness. Ignorance is bliss.


It's like TMZ, just the people gossiping about the celebrities. Nothing wrong with that, just not my thing.

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Posted by TigerBalm on 10-10-11 07:43 AM:

Quote from Maverick74:

Let's put it this way. Foxcon was two steps below a German labor work camp. He did everything but lead them into the showers and drop cyanide on them. It turns out, the workers at Foxcon were willing to kill themselves. How convenient.

And there is no excuse for laziness. Ignorance is bliss.


+1.

Adding to that:
Jobs responded to the Foxconn story with a blatant lie that, "Foxconn is not a sweatshop". Around this time, Foxconn put up nets around the building to stop people from committing suicide by jumping off the roof. This act by itself is jaw-dropping. I mean, if you saw this episode in a comedy movie (i.e., placing nets to prevent people from jumping rather than reduce their working hours or allow them to talk to each other while working), you'd think, "Ha, what a corny, unbelievable anecdote to make the villain look evil".

This episode taught me a lot about the shallowness of people.

Also : I wonder if one is in blind love with Steve Jobs for giving you a shiny iToy, while ignoring the rest of the details of the story, I wonder if this indicates that one may be not objective enough or detail-oriented enough to be a trader?! Not sure, but I'd pause to check myself if I was this infatuated.

Posted by Magna on 10-10-11 04:03 PM:

Quote from Maverick74:

...Foxcon was two steps below a German labor work camp. He did everything but lead them into the showers and drop cyanide on them.

A bit of hyperbole, what say? And tough to have it both ways, being for small government, less regulation, hands-off business and at the same time sounding Politically Correct about the mean ole corporation. In fact regarding child labor, workers' hours, etc. they have similar conditions to what we had here in the 1800's and early 1900's which fueled our Industrial Revolution. Anyway, besides some Apple products Foxconn also makes products for:

Acer
Amazon
Asus,
Intel
Cisco
Hewlett-Packard
Dell
Nintendo
Nokia
Microsoft
Motorola
Sony
Vizio

So while it's convenient to dump on Jobs and his iPhones as if he's solely responsible for Foxconn working conditions the truth is they are very commonplace in China (and India), and is a fact of governments leaving business alone. It's a trade-off that American (and other) companies are willing to deal with in order to get cheaper parts/products. I'm not saying that makes it right, which is certainly open to debate, but it is good business.

Posted by Maverick74 on 10-10-11 04:16 PM:

Quote from Magna:

A bit of hyperbole, what say? And tough to have it both ways, being for small government, less regulation, hands-off business and at the same time sounding Politically Correct about the mean ole corporation. In fact regarding child labor, workers' hours, etc. they have similar conditions to what we had here in the 1800's and early 1900's which fueled our Industrial Revolution. Anyway, besides some Apple products Foxconn also makes products for:

Acer
Amazon
Asus,
Intel
Cisco
Hewlett-Packard
Dell
Nintendo
Nokia
Microsoft
Motorola
Sony
Vizio

So while it's convenient to dump on Jobs and his iPhones as if he's solely responsible for Foxconn working conditions the truth is they are very commonplace in China (and India), and is a fact of governments leaving business alone. It's a trade-off that American (and other) companies are willing to deal with in order to get cheaper parts/products. I'm not saying that makes it right, which is certainly open to debate, but it is good business.


Yes, all those companies make products there and they are all guilty of the same thing but we are not holding those CEO's up as a God. I'm just saying we should be a little more careful who we anoint.

Yes, I'm all for small government and less regulations but that does not mean I want kids dying of cancer or being abused in factories so I can save $10 on my next I-Phone. The funny thing is if our unions in this country didn't go to the other extreme and demand people with high school educations to make 75k a year and million dollar pensions, we could actually make these things over here. There has to be some middle ground between abusive and corrupt unions and children being abused in factories in China and I'm all in support of finding where that middle ground is.

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Posted by Picaso on 10-10-11 05:04 PM:

Quote from Maverick74:

There has to be some middle ground between abusive and corrupt unions and children being abused in factories in China and I'm all in support of finding where that middle ground is.


Well said.

Posted by pattern43 on 10-10-11 05:07 PM:

Quote from Maverick74:

Yes, all those companies make products there and they are all guilty of the same thing but we are not holding those CEO's up as a God. I'm just saying we should be a little more careful who we anoint.

Yes, I'm all for small government and less regulations but that does not mean I want kids dying of cancer or being abused in factories so I can save $10 on my next I-Phone. The funny thing is if our unions in this country didn't go to the other extreme and demand people with high school educations to make 75k a year and million dollar pensions, we could actually make these things over here. There has to be some middle ground between abusive and corrupt unions and children being abused in factories in China and I'm all in support of finding where that middle ground is.


Remember folks, the ones who CONSUME such slave-labor products are just as guilty!

Posted by shortie on 10-10-11 05:11 PM:

Quote from Magna:

A bit of hyperbole, what say? And tough to have it both ways, being for small government, less regulation, hands-off business and at the same time sounding Politically Correct about the mean ole corporation. In fact regarding child labor, workers' hours, etc. they have similar conditions to what we had here in the 1800's and early 1900's which fueled our Industrial Revolution. Anyway, besides some Apple products Foxconn also makes products for:

Acer
Amazon
Asus,
Intel
Cisco
Hewlett-Packard
Dell
Nintendo
Nokia
Microsoft
Motorola
Sony
Vizio

So while it's convenient to dump on Jobs and his iPhones as if he's solely responsible for Foxconn working conditions the truth is they are very commonplace in China (and India), and is a fact of governments leaving business alone. It's a trade-off that American (and other) companies are willing to deal with in order to get cheaper parts/products. I'm not saying that makes it right, which is certainly open to debate, but it is good business.


let's wait until those CEOs die before we could pile some dirt on them

Posted by tomahawk on 10-10-11 05:17 PM:

Quote from chaosclarity:

I support not donating one dime to charity. I could go on in an essay of why not...but I feel the reasons are fairly obvious. Donating to charity might make you feel good, but which charities actually do anything good with the money. Which charity organization has found a cure or treatment to cancer or has actually solved world hunger?

This article is good and gives good reasons why you should never ever donate to charity. Not donating to charity, like Steve Jobs, isnt a bad thing afterall...

http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/05...perhero-part-2/


So because charities are not perfect none of them deserve any contributions at all? Whatever justifies selfishness I guess.

And by the way, people are being treated and cured of cancer every day, just not in EVERY case (again, sorry but nothing's perfect).

Posted by toc on 10-10-11 05:35 PM:

Shouting and calling names is just fine, in competitive world many a times you have to waken up the sleepy souls.

However, Chinese prison camp like labor sweat shops are not acceptable. This shows that billions that Jobs made were not his but came out of the blood and sweat and resulting ill will of the workers. No wonder this man died in mid fifties. Ego miniac bastard in his personal life he was. Cut out all the charity programs also, show he was also greedy and cruel.

No wonder Buffet is hale and harty in his 80s and Gates will also live a long life. To give is to also get. Both in terms of goods and bads.


Posted by trade2live on 10-10-11 06:28 PM:

Quote from chaosclarity:

I support not donating one dime to charity. I could go on in an essay of why not...but I feel the reasons are fairly obvious. Donating to charity might make you feel good, but which charities actually do anything good with the money. Which charity organization has found a cure or treatment to cancer or has actually solved world hunger?

This article is good and gives good reasons why you should never ever donate to charity. Not donating to charity, like Steve Jobs, isnt a bad thing afterall...

http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/05...perhero-part-2/



you're right , when you have that kind of money, there is no reason to give to charity organizations, you set up your own foundation

Posted by AK100 on 10-10-11 06:54 PM:

30 years ago we had -

Jonny Cash
Steve Jobs, and
Bob Hope

Now we've got no cash, no jobs and no hope

Posted by deThommo on 10-10-11 07:35 PM:

Quote from THE-BEAKER:

god works in mysterious ways.

what goes around comes around.


yeh he/she/it is so mysterious that it's chosen not to interfere in the world at all, talk about distant.

Posted by Ethanoid on 10-10-11 07:41 PM:

Bullshit argument just like that bullshit article.

Quote from toc:

Shouting and calling names is just fine, in competitive world many a times you have to waken up the sleepy souls.

However, Chinese prison camp like labor sweat shops are not acceptable. This shows that billions that Jobs made were not his but came out of the blood and sweat and resulting ill will of the workers. No wonder this man died in mid fifties. Ego miniac bastard in his personal life he was. Cut out all the charity programs also, show he was also greedy and cruel.

No wonder Buffet is hale and harty in his 80s and Gates will also live a long life. To give is to also get. Both in terms of goods and bads.


Posted by deThommo on 10-10-11 08:33 PM:

Re: The Dark Side Of Steve Jobs

Quote from Maverick74:

http://gawker.com/5847344/what-ever...bout-steve-jobs

Good article that gives a more balanced look at who Steve Jobs was. Hint, it makes Dick Cheney seem like a really great guy. LOL.


It's fairly enlightening but none of it makes Dick Cheney seem like a 'really great guy'. It's typical of our short attention spans and responsive media that characters under the spotlight are served up to us as either angels or devils.

Posted by hayman on 10-10-11 09:22 PM:

Listen, Jobs certainly was not the most personable guy in the world, but the guy stumbled more than once, and learned from his mistakes. He decided to rectify those mistakes, and his do-it-my-way-or-else philosophy is what drove Apple to prominence and greatness, this 2nd go-round. You don't have to be a nice guy, to be a great leader.

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Posted by syswizard on 10-11-11 02:54 AM:

Quote from hayman:

Listen, Jobs certainly was not the most personable guy in the world, but the guy stumbled more than once, and learned from his mistakes. He decided to rectify those mistakes, and his do-it-my-way-or-else philosophy is what drove Apple to prominence and greatness, this 2nd go-round. You don't have to be a nice guy, to be a great leader.

Exactly. I saw his abusive side when they filmed him chastising that programmer over some code he had written....."Is that the best you can do, he exclaimed ?"
This guy was driven beyond reason....and who can say that it was bad given the incredible value he produced ?
I mean I don't really value him much as a person, but for the value he produced ? Whoa...you gotta worship the guy in that regard.

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Posted by syswizard on 10-11-11 02:57 AM:

Quote from AK100:

30 years ago we had -

Jonny Cash
Steve Jobs, and
Bob Hope

Now we've got no cash, no jobs and no hope

Omigosh - that is so funny...but appropriate for our times.

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Posted by chaosclarity on 10-11-11 03:11 AM:

Ive worked at a few places and the truth is the owners/managers/executives of any successful operation are not going to be the nice guys all the time. I've worked for plenty of assholes in my time and I can bet you if I walked in any business out there...any tall building...I will find plenty more assholes.

I can picture jobs being an asshole to some employees just like I can see any executive being an asshole to their employee.

Posted by syswizard on 10-11-11 03:18 AM:

Quote from chaosclarity:


I can picture jobs being an asshole to some employees just like I can see any executive being an asshole to their employee.

And that's fine....but the question then becomes:
How much of an asshole does one have to be to become successful ?
That's the BIG ONE.
Do some have to become big a-holes because they are lacking in talent ? Whoa....now I've opened up a can of worms...haven't I ?
I am not suggesting that Jobs was lacking in talent either.
But you know what ? HE may have thought he was....

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Posted by Visaria on 10-11-11 03:00 PM:

Could the guys who didn't like working at FoxConn have quit instead of committing suicide? Or did they have some sort of contract which made that impossible?

Posted by chaosclarity on 10-11-11 03:02 PM:

Honestly speaking, I would say the majority of successful people I have met are big assholes...not just the regular asshole...I mean a big asshole. Ask yourself that question....out of all the successful people you have met in life, how many were true and complete assholes. If you do an internet search on all the successful people you meet, you will probably come upon some type of review site where people have written essays on why they believe that person is an asshole.

Steve Jobs is an asshole like all the other executive assholes. He is no different.

Posted by Grandluxe on 10-11-11 03:04 PM:

Please, all CEO's are "assholes". If you cannot take harsh impersonal decisions, then you do not deserve to be a leader, beta boy.

Posted by Maverick74 on 10-11-11 03:20 PM:

Quote from Visaria:

Could the guys who didn't like working at FoxConn have quit instead of committing suicide? Or did they have some sort of contract which made that impossible?


There was an interesting documentary on Foxcon a while back. I can't remember all the details but they basically made the workers live there. They found it cheaper to just having them working around the clock then having them leave. They were so poor that transportation was a problem. Could they leave? They may have been under contract to stay in the building. These people were for all practical purposes prisoners. Except that prisoners in the US actually are treated far better which tells you a lot.

I know a lot of people on this thread are ignoring the Foxcon issue as just a "that's how all third world countries are like" thing but they have no idea. When people compare Foxcon to German concentration camps, they are being dead serious. The conditions are that horrible.

And while many CEO's legitimately don't know about the working conditions of factories over seas, Steve Jobs was made acutely aware of the issue on a regular basis by many activists in the Bay Area and yet did nothing about it. I think his only comment was he was going to work with them on reducing the amount of suicides. You know what that meant? They were going to install nets around the premise so when people jumped they wouldn't die, they would be sent back to work.

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Posted by Eight on 10-11-11 03:59 PM:

omg!! Jobs wouldn't allow art about perverted men that like to f$%k each other in their hairy, stinking, as%^oles... He's a bad guy!!

Posted by Visaria on 10-12-11 08:08 AM:

AFAIK, many (maybe most) factories in China provide accommodation etc for their workers. It's part of their compensation. When you hear about workers only receiving a few hundred dollars a month in salary, it's not the whole compensation package.

However, your post indicates something different, something like a prison or slave labour camp where the worker is not allowed to leave under any circumstances! My suspicion is the the workers were on lengthy contracts, maybe they had to spend a year at this place. If so, they shouldn't have signed up.

It's v difficult to believe that Jobs or any other CEO would have been fine with the concept that their products were being manufactured by slave labour, which is what you are close to inferring.

Posted by RewriteQuran on 10-14-11 10:44 AM:

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Posted by chaosclarity on 10-14-11 11:28 AM:

There was no dark side of Steve Jobs. Sure he might have been a brutal "task master" who had some profane things to say every now and then behind closed doors, but the fact is he employed many thousands of people. He put a lot of food into a lot of mouths. He helped people build lives and careers.

Sure, he may have never donated 1 dime to charity, but he created a lot of jobs and fed a lot of mouths...paid for a lot of mortgages. He did more then Buffet ever did by empowering people and making them work for the dime. If you went to work at Apple, then Im certain there wouldnt be any sitting or fooling around like there is over at Facebook or Google. Steve probably makes everyone sweat, but is hard work and being under the gun to meet a deadline such a bad thing. Its called honest work in my book and a experience that everyone should have.

Is there a darkside there? Well, I guess if you count how many times Steve said fuck or shit behind closed doors then yeah that might be a darkside, however, beyond that he was a great man.

Posted by Visaria on 10-14-11 12:19 PM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrBw...ayer_detailpage

Posted by euclid on 10-14-11 01:08 PM:

Quote from chaosclarity:

There was no dark side of Steve Jobs. Sure he might have been a brutal "task master" who had some profane things to say every now and then behind closed doors, but the fact is he employed many thousands of people. He put a lot of food into a lot of mouths. He helped people build lives and careers.

Sure, he may have never donated 1 dime to charity, but he created a lot of jobs and fed a lot of mouths...paid for a lot of mortgages. He did more then Buffet ever did by empowering people and making them work for the dime. If you went to work at Apple, then Im certain there wouldnt be any sitting or fooling around like there is over at Facebook or Google. Steve probably makes everyone sweat, but is hard work and being under the gun to meet a deadline such a bad thing. Its called honest work in my book and a experience that everyone should have.

Is there a darkside there? Well, I guess if you count how many times Steve said fuck or shit behind closed doors then yeah that might be a darkside, however, beyond that he was a great man.


He's fucked you all over. He is laughing at you all from beyond the grave. Millions of you wasted your hard-earned (or borrowed) cash on his over-priced electronic fashion accessories, which he manufactured for next to nothing in the sweatshops of China. And the funny thing is you all love him for it.

Posted by Visaria on 10-14-11 01:49 PM:

Hmmm, his over priced products are liked by a lot of people though, who were and are still prepared to pay the "over priced" price to own them.

And Jobs is dead, so he isn't laughing. When you die, you die, you don't laugh at anybody afterwards.

Posted by tomahawk on 10-14-11 03:56 PM:

This may be a little off topic, but the ironic and perhaps sad thing is that some of the things related to his success - his hubris / demand for having things done his own way and believing he always knew best - were probably what killed him. If he'd only listened to the experts from the beginning and had his surgery as soon as he was diagnosed instead of wasting 9 months on alternative methods he more than likely would've been cured of this rare and treatable form of pancreatic cancer. Very unfortunate.

Posted by pattern43 on 10-14-11 04:44 PM:

Quote from tomahawk:

This may be a little off topic, but the ironic and perhaps sad thing is that some of the things related to his success - his hubris / demand for having things done his own way and believing he always knew best - were probably what killed him. If he'd only listened to the experts from the beginning and had his surgery as soon as he was diagnosed instead of wasting 9 months on alternative methods he more than likely would've been cured of this rare and treatable form of pancreatic cancer. Very unfortunate.


I doubt it. Perhaps he lived that long b/c he refused to see the experts (fully licensed physicians). Remember folks, doctors have the poorest health out of any professionals. Why would you go to them to get cured?

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