Forums - There are some big riots going on in England right now

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Posted by J Ski on 08-10-11 05:32 PM:

Kids just being kids?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...st-3-years.html

Posted by 377OHMS on 08-10-11 05:41 PM:

Quote from Grandluxe:

English kids are real hooligans..9 year old kids looting. Would you shoot them?

Too young to drink: A youngster barely over 10 years old clutches a bottle of wine looted from a Sainsbury's Local store in Manchester city centre, and right, one of his friends runs away from the same shop with three bottles of strong vodka

Manchester: Hooded looters with arm fulls of clothes run from a Manchester shopping centre

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l#ixzz1UdueF1Px

So much for the idea that it is black people doing the rioting.

The same misconception was applied in the LA riots when it was really everyone, white, hispanic, black though not likely too many asians. This isn't a riot and neither was LA, this is just looting.

Posted by Eddiefl on 08-10-11 05:48 PM:

Quote from Grandluxe:

[B]
English kids are real hooligans..9 year old kids looting. Would you shoot them?

Grandluxe,

turn the question around.,,, Would they shoot you?, Would they care?, Would they burn your house down while your family is in there. Would they burn your business down?, would they care?

Would they care?

A 9 year old can pull a trigger and light a match. Real bullets, i wouldnt do. but water cannon and tear gas....

you bet your ass I would be first to set them off.. 10yrs old, 20yrs, old, 60yrs old, etc.

EF

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-10-11 05:49 PM:

Yes, people of all origin are taking part no doubt.

In fact from what I have seen those standing up and protecting their neighbourhoods are often collored.

The white middle class is in the streets at noon to clean up.

Posted by morganist on 08-10-11 06:22 PM:

It seems to of calmed down now. I don't know but I think it might be over. We'll see tonight. I hope it doesn't start again.

Posted by J Ski on 08-10-11 06:27 PM:

Quote from Eddiefl:

Grandluxe,

turn the question around.,,, Would they shoot you?, Would they care?, Would they burn your house down while your family is in there. Would they burn your business down?, would they care?

EF

Lets say, you have a crowd of 200 like here?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-flash-mob.html

Posted by Artful D0dger on 08-10-11 06:29 PM:

Not at all. It's overwhelmingly blacks and arabs. The few pics of white looters are spammed so as to create that impression, but whites are few of the aggregate. Talk to anyone in the UK and there's no confusion about what's going on, or who is doing it.

This isn't a riot? Based on these couple of pictures? LOL. There hasn't been this much damage to England since the Nazis bombed it.

Look here for a more realistic take:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14454359

Many English cities look like they've been firebombed. We're not talking about LA. Large part of LA was already a 3rd world dump and wouldn't look much different if you had riots, they were mostly already shit holes and in third world squalor. This is England, entirely different story.

Quote from 377OHMS:

So much for the idea that it is black people doing the rioting.

The same misconception was applied in the LA riots when it was really everyone, white, hispanic, black though not likely too many asians. This isn't a riot and neither was LA, this is just looting.

Posted by dtan1e on 08-10-11 06:36 PM:

What i dont understand is this people r blatantly setting fire and attacking people so why dont the police shoot them dead before they harm or even kill others. One word to describe: useless

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-10-11 06:38 PM:

Quote from dtan1e:

What i dont understand is this people r blatantly setting fire and attacking people so why dont the police shoot them dead before they harm or even kill others. One word to describe: useless

Two reasons I guess.

1 is when police acted previously against minor incidents the public thought they were using excesive force...

2 if you shoot and kill a 10 year old all bets are off...(regardless what he was doing....)

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-10-11 06:43 PM:

Quote from Artful D0dger:

Not at all. It's overwhelmingly blacks and arabs. The few pics of white looters are spammed so as to create that impression. Talk to anyone in the UK and there's no confusion about what's going on.

This isn't a riot? Based on these couple of pictures? LOL. There hasn't been this much damage to England since the Nazis bombed it.

Look here for a more realistic take:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14454359

Many English cities look like they've been firebombed. We're not talking about LA. Large part of LA was already a 3rd world dump and wouldn't look much different if you had riots, they were mostly already shit holes. This is England.

I am in the UK and the looters and rioters in Manchester are in majority white, the proportion of whites involved in the London riots also seemed to rise as the riots progressed. The rioters in Tottenham were mostly black but not exclusively so. Now f*ck off back to your cave Nazi troll.

Posted by AAAintheBeltway on 08-10-11 06:45 PM:

To the question, would you shoot a young kid or how do you deal with hundreds of people? That's why you do not let things spiral out of control in the first place. A civilized society must be ready to respond with overwhelming force when its very existence is threatened. If you come down hard and fast, then people take note and see it might not be as much fun as they thought.

Second, I fond it interesting that groups that are trying to organize to protect their communities and make up for the incompetence of the police are being labelled "vigilantes", a pejorative term. The proper term for them is "heroes." I would expect the authorities will focus their resources on prosecuting any of these "vigilantes" who get physical with looters or rioters. That would be in keeping with various outrageous prosecutions in the past of homeowners who defended their homes against invasion. Apparently in the UK, if someone breaks into your house, you may ask them politely to leave but otherwise are not allowed to do anything.

I'll say this. Any of these punks who come to the US and try this crap will get a surprise.

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-10-11 06:53 PM:

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Apparently in the UK, if someone breaks into your house, you may ask them politely to leave but otherwise are not allowed to do anything.

I'll say this. Any of these punks who come to the US and try this crap will get a surprise.

Try the term England and Wales as Scotland and Northern Ireland have a more robust interpretation of home defense. If this happened in the US there could be a high body count as both the attacker and the defenders would be more likely to be armed, or am I making an assumption like you have.

Posted by Artful D0dger on 08-10-11 06:56 PM:

I am in Canary Wharf, and will be here till the 22nd. The Tottenham riots were almost all black, but there were a few Arabs and pakis in there too sure. Of course the London riots were mostly black and are mostly black. So fuck off to your impotent PC pussy cave. Even the BBC acknowledges that it's mostly blacks http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14452050 and say the riots are because of "racism" and "lack of opportunity for blacks". They've had black community leaders on the news since the riots started explaining why blacks are rioting. Wake up PC ankle grabber.

Thank god the mongrels didn't make it into the City, I was shocked they didn't tear down Kennsington.

Quote from Dragons Teeth:

I am in the UK and the looters and rioters in Manchester are in majority white, the proportion of whites involved in the London riots also seemed to rise as the riots progressed. The rioters in Tottenham were mostly black but not exclusively so. Now f*ck off back to your cave Nazi troll.

Posted by Illum on 08-10-11 07:02 PM:

Quote from Dragons Teeth:

Try the term England and Wales as Scotland and Northern Ireland have a more robust interpretation of home defense. If this happened in the US there could be a high body count as both the attacker and the defenders would be more likely to be armed, or am I making an assumption like you have.

Well its not like US doesn't have evidence of what would happen. If I were a betting man, and of course trading this madness, I am. I would say Philly is on tap for some serious problems. And no one is armed, except criminals. The cops are led by pure corrupt incompetence. If it were to go, it would be mad max, more than just theft. It would, imo, be much much worse than what has happened in England. High body count, for sure.

When it comes down to it, if you are overwhelmed by animals, unarmed... It's over. People should have left, as they have in Detroit.

Posted by dtan1e on 08-10-11 07:17 PM:

Quote from Debaser82:

2 if you shoot and kill a 10 year old all bets are off...(regardless what he was doing....)

If its a 10 y old killer on a rampage, u still think so?

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-10-11 07:35 PM:

Quote from dtan1e:

If its a 10 y old killer on a rampage, u still think so?

Yes for sure. Absolutely.

These kind of burst outs have a psychology of their own and logic isnt one of its main characteristics.

Posted by Eddiefl on 08-10-11 07:37 PM:

Quote from J Ski:

Lets say, you have a crowd of 200 like here?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-flash-mob.html

whats your point. ?

the progression should be, verbal order, batons, tear gas, water tanks.

or if you really want to end it quickly. Use all right away.

There is no reasoning with a "mob mentalitly"

Ef

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-10-11 07:55 PM:

Quote from Artful D0dger:

I am in Canary Wharf, and will be here till the 22nd. The Tottenham riots were almost all black, but there were a few Arabs and pakis in there too sure. Of course the London riots were mostly black and are mostly black. So fuck off to your impotent PC pussy cave. Even the BBC acknowledges that it's mostly blacks http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14452050 and say the riots are because of "racism" and "lack of opportunity for blacks". They've had black community leaders on the news since the riots started explaining why blacks are rioting. Wake up PC ankle grabber.

Thank god the mongrels didn't make it into the City, I was shocked they didn't tear down Kennsington.

You disputed the photos of looting whites as selective but of course you were wrong as the photos are from the Manchester riots which have been so far a white thing, not one one person including myself have countered any claims that the Tottenham rioters were largely composed of people from the black community . I will however dispute that the riots were exclusively black but if you were actually here you would be fully aware of that.

Posted by Artful D0dger on 08-10-11 08:03 PM:

What garbage. I never said that the riots were exclusively black. I said the riots were mostly black, and they have been. I don't know about the Manchester riots, I haven't been to Manchester. The riots in Tottenham, London (the largest, and first riots) were largely (90% or more) black, with some Arabs. There were very few whites. I'm sure there were a few involved somewhere, but if there had been no blacks rioting, there would have been no riots.

You're killing the strawman, as usual. I never said the riots were exclusively black. I said they were mostly black, and they have been. Perhaps the Manchester riots were an exception to that? that would certainly explain why the Manchester riots have been so docile and insignificant compared to others...

Quote from Dragons Teeth:

You disputed the photos of looting whites as selective but of course you were wrong as the photos are from the Manchester riots which have been so far a white thing, not one one person including myself have countered any claims that the Tottenham rioters were largely composed of people from the black community . I will however dispute that the riots were exclusively black but if you were actually here you would be fully aware of that.

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-10-11 08:21 PM:

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-10-11 08:26 PM:

Posted by Illum on 08-10-11 08:40 PM:

Quote from Debaser82:

what inspiring words from the looting animal, who cares, nobody needs him to keep breathing let alone listen to him.

Posted by 377OHMS on 08-10-11 08:48 PM:

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

To the question, would you shoot a young kid or how do you deal with hundreds of people? That's why you do not let things spiral out of control in the first place. A civilized society must be ready to respond with overwhelming force when its very existence is threatened. If you come down hard and fast, then people take note and see it might not be as much fun as they thought.

Second, I fond it interesting that groups that are trying to organize to protect their communities and make up for the incompetence of the police are being labelled "vigilantes", a pejorative term. The proper term for them is "heroes." I would expect the authorities will focus their resources on prosecuting any of these "vigilantes" who get physical with looters or rioters. That would be in keeping with various outrageous prosecutions in the past of homeowners who defended their homes against invasion. Apparently in the UK, if someone breaks into your house, you may ask them politely to leave but otherwise are not allowed to do anything.

I'll say this. Any of these punks who come to the US and try this crap will get a surprise.

One does *not* kill a 10-year old under any circumstance. It simply isn't done. Women either.

Posted by J Ski on 08-10-11 08:52 PM:

Eddiefl, I would say you're in Florida.
I was there when the Mcduffie riots
happened.
A recap, a black motorcyclist , family man is killed by police.
Then any whites entering the overtown area or environs, are attacked.
London is different, so far, they're looting.
Wisconsin is different, black mobs attacking whites.

Like the song goes, welcome to the jungle.
I like peace, and fortunately,now I live in an area where the burden
is on the criminal, to prove why he is on your property, or threatening
you, posthumously.

You don't think a 9 year old can kill you?This is not funny stuff, when you
go out, you don't think a group of young teens, fired up from a mob high, can't kill you, or your wife or kids?

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-10-11 09:02 PM:

Quote from Artful D0dger:

What garbage. I never said that the riots were exclusively black. I said the riots were mostly black, and they have been. I don't know about the Manchester riots, I haven't been to Manchester. The riots in Tottenham, London (the largest, and first riots) were largely (90% or more) black, with some Arabs. There were very few whites. I'm sure there were a few involved somewhere, but if there had been no blacks rioting, there would have been no riots.

You're killing the strawman, as usual. I never said the riots were exclusively black. I said they were mostly black, and they have be en. Perhaps the Manchester riots were an exception to that? that would certainly explain why the Manchester riots have been so docile and insignificant compared to others...

Arabs, is this your term someone who is not black nor white but because you simply do not have a f*cking clue who is involved it sort of fits your world view. I could see Arabs being involved in Dalton but Tottenham ! You may have missed the mention of guys coming out of the Mosque and chasing away rioters but I forgot that you don't like them so no credit apportioned. and as for the Manchester riots being docile how about near 2000 rioters throughout the city and and a fortune in damage you bloody halfwit.

Posted by murray t turtle on 08-10-11 09:04 PM:

Quote from J Ski:

Once the heat wave subsides, then we may see rioting in the US.
Too hot to riot right now !

==========
Mr Ski;

Be careful, there is a cooling trend in Cadillac ,Michigan.
Strange, but riots in Michigan, like many of those UK riots, are simply socialism in action.

Not a prediction.

__________________
murray t turtle,nickname,not an alias

Posted by morganist on 08-10-11 09:15 PM:

Now that the riots are over I am thinking about unsticking the thread. Do you want me to do this yet?

Posted by J Ski on 08-10-11 09:27 PM:

I wouldn't unstick it.
Nothing is over, this is a
downward trend much like the stock market,
has been doing.

Societal breakdown, which as the economy declines,
will be repeated, it isn't just going to stop.

Posted by morganist on 08-10-11 09:29 PM:

Quote from J Ski:

I wouldn't unstick it.
Nothing is over, this is a
downward trend much like the stock market,
has been doing.

Societal breakdown, which as the economy declines,
will be repeated, it isn't just going to stop.

OK. I'll leave it stuck for another day or two.

Posted by tradingjournals on 08-10-11 09:46 PM:

Quote from morganist:

Now that the riots are over I am thinking about unsticking the thread. Do you want me to do this yet?

Tell me Morganist, what made you think it was going to get worse? You recall that I told you you were drunk with hype from the media and that the top of the riot was Monday night.

Do you plan to be victim of hype again? And my sympathies for the money you lost buying the useless equipment they sold you.

The lesson: Do not fall to hypes!

Posted by KINGOFSHORTS on 08-10-11 09:47 PM:

The UK sucks. I am glad I do not live in such a shitty country with such a low class population of Yobs and Chavs.

Posted by tradingjournals on 08-10-11 09:49 PM:

Hey Fat King (fat because of size of account): what is chavs and yobs?

Posted by morganist on 08-10-11 09:51 PM:

Quote from tradingjournals:

Tell me Morganist, what made you think it was going to get worse? You recall that I told you you were drunk with hype from the media and that the top of the riot was Monday night.

Do you plan to be victim of hype again? And my sympathies for the money you lost buying the useless equipment they sold you.

The lesson: Do not fall to hypes!

No. It will get worse but not for a while. It will be due to economic reasons.

Posted by Eddiemorra on 08-10-11 09:56 PM:

Quote from KINGOFSHORTS:

The UK sucks. I am glad I do not live in such a shitty country with such a low class population of Yobs and Chavs.

Years ago my natural reaction to this post would be to defend the UK, but to be honest with you, the UK is pretty awful.
So many rude, aggressive, anti-social people everywhere.
I had friends over from Canada visting me last year, and the poor guys were intimidated everywhere I took them,lol.
They weren't used to such hostility.

Posted by Artful D0dger on 08-10-11 09:56 PM:

Horse shit, as usual. The riots are overwhelmingly blacks. Even the BBC acknowledges this. The only think I have seen were Sihks coming out and chasing off rioters. Due to your cultural ignorance, you may not know the difference between Sihks and Arabs. In any case, the rioters have been largely blacks, that's the reality. You can whine, cry, and stomp your feet all you like, but it wont make the rioters white. The Manchester riots are childsplay compared to London. If the Manchester riots are white, it would certainly explain that.

Quote from Dragons Teeth:

Arabs, is this your term someone who is not black nor white but because you simply do not have a f*cking clue who is involved it sort of fits your world view. I could see Arabs being involved in Dalton but Tottenham ! You may have missed the mention of guys coming out of the Mosque and chasing away rioters but I forgot that you don't like them so no credit apportioned. and as for the Manchester riots being docile how about near 2000 rioters throughout the city and and a fortune in damage you bloody halfwit.

Posted by Artful D0dger on 08-10-11 09:59 PM:

That's what happens when you let droves of 3rd worlders into your nation: it starts to resemble a 3rd world nation...

Quote from Eddiemorra:

Years ago my natural reaction to this post would be to defend the UK, but to be honest with you, the UK is pretty awful.
So many rude, aggressive, anti-social people everywhere.
I had friends over from Canada visting me last year, and the poor guys were intimidated everywhere I took them,lol.
They weren't used to such hostility.

Posted by Eddiemorra on 08-10-11 10:00 PM:

Quote from Artful D0dger:

Horse shit, as usual. The riots are overwhelmingly blacks. Even the BBC acknowledges this. The only think I have seen were Sihks coming out and chasing off rioters. Due to your cultural ignorance, you may not know the difference between Sihks and Arabs. In any case, the rioters have been largely blacks, that's the reality. You can whine, cry, and stomp your feet all you like, but it wont make the rioters white. The Manchester riots are childsplay compared to London. If the Manchester riots are white, it would certainly explain that.

Manchester is like 70% white people.
Most of the London areas where this has been taking place are areas where there is a much higher percentage of black people.

Posted by morganist on 08-10-11 10:56 PM:

It looks like it is over now. It usually starts earlier than this.

Posted by J Ski on 08-11-11 12:01 AM:

I watched alot of the BBC online just a few minutes ago.
One mother they were interviewing didn't seem distressed by the rioting,
in fact she said what else do the kids have to do anyway.
I guess she is implying that this has been a slow fuse burning kind of issue.
I think that this will be a catalyst , like it usually is, by factoring in facebook and youtube broadcasts, to similar copy-cat occurences in other parts of the world.
Started in middle east, now London, before London, and for awhile now, it has been happening here in the US, but the press has not splashed it all over.And I pretty much found out about these mob attacks just recently. I was surprised to find the coverage on a UK news source, (well, not surprised because the BBC is so much better than any of the crap we have here),covering the mob rioting at the fair. I originally read the fair riot story, on a source that was questionable.
Oh well, I had stopped watching the news for awhile, and had just focused on business news, and even that is beginning to seem like an impediment to clearing your mind, to focus on what's important.

Posted by morganist on 08-11-11 12:26 AM:

Quote from J Ski:

I watched alot of the BBC online just a few minutes ago.
One mother they were interviewing didn't seem distressed by the rioting,
in fact she said what else do the kids have to do anyway.
I guess she is implying that this has been a slow fuse burning kind of issue.
I think that this will be a catalyst , like it usually is, by factoring in facebook and youtube broadcasts, to similar copy-cat occurences in other parts of the world.
Started in middle east, now London, before London, and for awhile now, it has been happening here in the US, but the press has not splashed it all over.And I pretty much found out about these mob attacks just recently. I was surprised to find the coverage on a UK news source, (well, not surprised because the BBC is so much better than any of the crap we have here),covering the mob rioting at the fair. I originally read the fair riot story, on a source that was questionable.
Oh well, I had stopped watching the news for awhile, and had just focused on business news, and even that is beginning to seem like an impediment to clearing your mind, to focus on what's important.

Dead on the money there is a whole social revolution aside from the economic problems. It is partly racial, partly generational, partly class etc.

It is just going to explode. These riots are just the beginning. They will be the event in history books that show the first signs of the atrocities that are about to begin. Not just in the UK.

Posted by Mercor on 08-11-11 03:04 AM:

The Sun Never Sets On The British Welfare System
by Ann Coulter
08/10/2011

Those of you following the barbaric rioting in Britain will not have failed to notice that a sizable proportion of the thugs are white, something not often seen in this country.

Not only that, but in a triumph of feminism, a lot of them are girls. Even the "disabled" (according to the British benefits system) seem to have miraculously overcome their infirmities to dash out and steal a few TVs.

Congratulations, Britain! You've barbarized your citizenry, without regard to race, gender or physical handicap!

With a welfare system far more advanced than the United States, the British have achieved the remarkable result of turning entire communities of ancestral British people into tattooed, drunken brutes.

I guess we now have the proof of what conservatives have been saying since forever: Looting is a result of liberal welfare policies. And Britain is in the end stages of the welfare state.

In 2008, a 9-year-old British girl, Shannon Matthews, disappeared on her way home from a school trip. The media leapt on the case -- only to discover that Shannon was one of seven children her mother, Karen, had produced with five different men.

The first of these serial sperm-donors explained: "Karen just goes from one bloke to the next, uses them to have a kid, grabs all the child benefits and moves on."

Poor little Shannon eventually turned up at the home of one of her many step-uncles -- whose ex-wife, by the way, was the mother of six children with three different fathers.

(Is Father's Day celebrated in England? If so, how?)

The Daily Mail (London) traced the family's proud Anglo ancestry of stable families back hundreds of years. The Nazi war machine couldn't break the British, but the modern welfare state has.

A year earlier, in 2007, another product of the new order, Fiona MacKeown, took seven of her eight children (by five different fathers) and her then-boyfriend, on a drug-fueled, six-month vacation to the Indian island of Goa. The trip was paid for -- like everything else in her life -- with government benefits.

(When was the last time you had a free, six-month vacation? I'm drawing a blank, too.)

While in Goa, Fiona took her entourage on a side-trip, leaving her 15-year-old daughter, Scarlett Keeling, in the capable hands of a 25-year-old local whom Scarlett had begun sleeping with, perhaps hoping to get a head-start on her own government benefits. A few weeks later, Scarlett turned up dead, full of drugs, raped and murdered.

Scarlett's estranged stepfather later drank himself to death, while her brother Silas announced on his social networking page: "My name is Si, n I spend most my life either out wit mates get drunk or at partys, playing rugby or going to da beach (pretty s**t really)."

It's a wonder that someone like Silas, who has never worked, and belongs to a family in which no one has ever worked, can afford a cellphone for social networking. No, actually, it's not.

Britain has a far more redistributive welfare system than France, which is why France's crime problem is mostly a matter of Muslim immigrants, not French nationals. Meanwhile, England's welfare state is fast returning the native population to its violent 18th-century highwaymen roots.

Needless to say, Britain leads Europe in the proportion of single mothers and, as a consequence, also leads or co-leads the European Union in violent crime, alcohol and drug abuse, obesity and sexually transmitted diseases.

But liberal elites here and in Britain will blame anything but the welfare state they adore. They drone on about the strict British class system or the lack of jobs or the nation's history of racism.

None of that explains the sad lives of young Shannon Matthews and Scarlett Keeling, with their long English ancestry and perfect Anglo features.

Democrats would be delighted if violent mobs like those in Britain arose here -- perhaps in Wisconsin! That would allow them to introduce yet more government programs staffed by unionized public employees, as happened after the 1992 L.A. riots and the 1960s race riots, following the recommendations of the Kerner Commission.

MSNBC might even do the unthinkable and offer Al Sharpton his own TV show. (Excuse me -- someone's trying to get my attention ... WHAT?)

Inciting violent mobs is the essence of the left's agenda: Promote class warfare, illegitimate children and an utterly debased citizenry.

Like the British riot girls interviewed by the BBC, the Democrats tell us "all of this happened because of the rich people."

We're beginning to see the final result of that idea in Britain. The welfare state creates a society of beasts. Meanwhile, nonjudgmental elites don't dare condemn the animals their programs have created.

Rioters in England are burning century-old family businesses to the ground, stealing from injured children lying on the sidewalks and forcing Britons to strip to their underwear on the street.

I keep reading that it's because they don't have jobs -- which they're obviously anxious to hold. Or someone called them a "kaffir." Or their social services have been reduced. Or their Blackberries made them do it. Or they disapprove of a referee's call in a Manchester United game.

A few well-placed rifle rounds, and the rioting would end in an instant. A more sustained attack on the rampaging mob might save England from itself, finally removing shaved-head, drunken parasites from the benefits rolls that Britain can't find the will to abolish on moral or utilitarian grounds. We can be sure there's no danger of killing off the next Winston Churchill or Edmund Burke in these crowds.

But like Louis XVI, British authorities are paralyzed by their indifference to their own civilization. A half-century of berating themselves for the crime of being British has left them morally defenseless. They see nothing about England worth saving, certainly not worth fighting for -- which is fortunate since most of their cops don't have guns.

This is how civilizations die. It can happen overnight, as it did in Revolutionary France. If Britain of 1939 were composed of the current British population, the entirety of Europe would today be doing the "Heil Hitler" salute and singing the "Horst Wessel Song."

Posted by J Ski on 08-11-11 03:09 AM:

Quote from morganist:

Dead on the money there is a whole social revolution aside from the economic problems. It is partly racial, partly generational, partly class etc.

It is just going to explode. These riots are just the beginning. They will be the event in history books that show the first signs of the atrocities that are about to begin. Not just in the UK.

It's like we were on a path to something good. Wright brothers, to space shuttle, to what next.
The rennaisance, was also a period of brilliant invention and violence, so maybe like the stock market, society has a similar cycle.
For the time being though, savage times call for the passive to realize that unless they want to be victims, then force will have to be met with force.
We can take a lesson from the Chinese police on how to deal with the criminally deranged. A bit harsh, so watch without children present.

Posted by Lucrum on 08-11-11 03:14 AM:

Quote from Mercor:

The Sun Never Sets On The British Welfare System
by Ann Coulter
08/10/2011

Those of you following the barbaric rioting in Britain will not have failed to notice that a sizable proportion of the thugs are white, something not often seen in this country.

Not only that, but in a triumph of feminism, a lot of them are girls. Even the "disabled" (according to the British benefits system) seem to have miraculously overcome their infirmities to dash out and steal a few TVs.

Congratulations, Britain! You've barbarized your citizenry, without regard to race, gender or physical handicap!

With a welfare system far more advanced than the United States, the British have achieved the remarkable result of turning entire communities of ancestral British people into tattooed, drunken brutes.

I guess we now have the proof of what conservatives have been saying since forever: Looting is a result of liberal welfare policies. And Britain is in the end stages of the welfare state.

In 2008, a 9-year-old British girl, Shannon Matthews, disappeared on her way home from a school trip. The media leapt on the case -- only to discover that Shannon was one of seven children her mother, Karen, had produced with five different men.

The first of these serial sperm-donors explained: "Karen just goes from one bloke to the next, uses them to have a kid, grabs all the child benefits and moves on."

Poor little Shannon eventually turned up at the home of one of her many step-uncles -- whose ex-wife, by the way, was the mother of six children with three different fathers.

(Is Father's Day celebrated in England? If so, how?)

The Daily Mail (London) traced the family's proud Anglo ancestry of stable families back hundreds of years. The Nazi war machine couldn't break the British, but the modern welfare state has.

A year earlier, in 2007, another product of the new order, Fiona MacKeown, took seven of her eight children (by five different fathers) and her then-boyfriend, on a drug-fueled, six-month vacation to the Indian island of Goa. The trip was paid for -- like everything else in her life -- with government benefits.

(When was the last time you had a free, six-month vacation? I'm drawing a blank, too.)

While in Goa, Fiona took her entourage on a side-trip, leaving her 15-year-old daughter, Scarlett Keeling, in the capable hands of a 25-year-old local whom Scarlett had begun sleeping with, perhaps hoping to get a head-start on her own government benefits. A few weeks later, Scarlett turned up dead, full of drugs, raped and murdered.

Scarlett's estranged stepfather later drank himself to death, while her brother Silas announced on his social networking page: "My name is Si, n I spend most my life either out wit mates get drunk or at partys, playing rugby or going to da beach (pretty s**t really)."

It's a wonder that someone like Silas, who has never worked, and belongs to a family in which no one has ever worked, can afford a cellphone for social networking. No, actually, it's not.

Britain has a far more redistributive welfare system than France, which is why France's crime problem is mostly a matter of Muslim immigrants, not French nationals. Meanwhile, England's welfare state is fast returning the native population to its violent 18th-century highwaymen roots.

Needless to say, Britain leads Europe in the proportion of single mothers and, as a consequence, also leads or co-leads the European Union in violent crime, alcohol and drug abuse, obesity and sexually transmitted diseases.

But liberal elites here and in Britain will blame anything but the welfare state they adore. They drone on about the strict British class system or the lack of jobs or the nation's history of racism.

None of that explains the sad lives of young Shannon Matthews and Scarlett Keeling, with their long English ancestry and perfect Anglo features.

Democrats would be delighted if violent mobs like those in Britain arose here -- perhaps in Wisconsin! That would allow them to introduce yet more government programs staffed by unionized public employees, as happened after the 1992 L.A. riots and the 1960s race riots, following the recommendations of the Kerner Commission.

MSNBC might even do the unthinkable and offer Al Sharpton his own TV show. (Excuse me -- someone's trying to get my attention ... WHAT?)

Inciting violent mobs is the essence of the left's agenda: Promote class warfare, illegitimate children and an utterly debased citizenry.

Like the British riot girls interviewed by the BBC, the Democrats tell us "all of this happened because of the rich people."

We're beginning to see the final result of that idea in Britain. The welfare state creates a society of beasts. Meanwhile, nonjudgmental elites don't dare condemn the animals their programs have created.

Rioters in England are burning century-old family businesses to the ground, stealing from injured children lying on the sidewalks and forcing Britons to strip to their underwear on the street.

I keep reading that it's because they don't have jobs -- which they're obviously anxious to hold. Or someone called them a "kaffir." Or their social services have been reduced. Or their Blackberries made them do it. Or they disapprove of a referee's call in a Manchester United game.

A few well-placed rifle rounds, and the rioting would end in an instant. A more sustained attack on the rampaging mob might save England from itself, finally removing shaved-head, drunken parasites from the benefits rolls that Britain can't find the will to abolish on moral or utilitarian grounds. We can be sure there's no danger of killing off the next Winston Churchill or Edmund Burke in these crowds.

But like Louis XVI, British authorities are paralyzed by their indifference to their own civilization. A half-century of berating themselves for the crime of being British has left them morally defenseless. They see nothing about England worth saving, certainly not worth fighting for -- which is fortunate since most of their cops don't have guns.

This is how civilizations die. It can happen overnight, as it did in Revolutionary France. If Britain of 1939 were composed of the current British population, the entirety of Europe would today be doing the "Heil Hitler" salute and singing the "Horst Wessel Song."

I don't follow Ann Coulter but she hit the nail on the head here.

Posted by macroman on 08-11-11 03:17 AM:

Quote from Lucrum:

I don't follow Ann Coulter but she hit the nail on the head here.

blahblahblah.

get ready for revolutions. cant you see the signs ! It is everywhere.

Posted by Lucrum on 08-11-11 03:23 AM:

Quote from macroman:

blahblahblah.

get ready for revolutions. cant you see the signs ! It is everywhere.

Yes, I see the signs. How does that make her perspective any less true?

Posted by Eddiefl on 08-11-11 03:35 AM:

Quote from J Ski:

Eddiefl, I would say you're in Florida.
I was there when the Mcduffie riots
happened.
A recap, a black motorcyclist , family man is killed by police.
Then any whites entering the overtown area or environs, are attacked.
London is different, so far, they're looting.
Wisconsin is different, black mobs attacking whites.

Like the song goes, welcome to the jungle.
I like peace, and fortunately,now I live in an area where the burden
is on the criminal, to prove why he is on your property, or threatening
you, posthumously.

You don't think a 9 year old can kill you?This is not funny stuff, when you
go out, you don't think a group of young teens, fired up from a mob high, can't kill you, or your wife or kids?

I never said a 9 year couldnt kill me. I believe one could and would given the correct circumstances.

With that being said,it would be difficult to kill a child, even if justifiable.

BUt if it came between him taking one of my family or my life.......

"I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6"

EF

Posted by BSAM on 08-11-11 03:44 AM:

Is it possible to buy a TV or a computer at a store in London now?

Posted by morganist on 08-11-11 03:50 AM:

Quote from BSAM:

Is it possible to buy a TV or a computer at a store in London now?

Depends where you are. Remember the Sony depot was burnt down so the stock is burnt. I guess elsewhere but probably not for a few days.

Posted by morganist on 08-11-11 03:51 AM:

Now it has happened once it will happen again and again.

Posted by Lucrum on 08-11-11 04:30 AM:

Quote from BSAM:

Is it possible to buy a TV or a computer at a store in London now?

Why would you pay for it? If you can just break a window and carry it off.

Posted by MKTrader on 08-11-11 04:58 AM:

This is how you deal with rioters...the idiot reporter notwithstanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvaN...player_embedded

Unfortunately, you won't find this response when the citizenry is largely unarmed and unwilling to stand up for themselves.

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-11-11 09:57 AM:

Finding a way to never have riots is like finding a way to make sure the stockmarket never goes down.

It can't be done and it would be unhealthy if there never were riots or stockmarket crashes.

Leave it to the politicians to claim they have found the way to utopia.

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-11-11 11:36 AM:

[B]

Posted by TGregg on 08-11-11 12:10 PM:

Quote from Lucrum:

Why would you pay for it? If you can just break a window and carry it off.

If you need it and cannot wait for nightfall, then you gotta pay. ;)

Posted by Grandluxe on 08-11-11 12:14 PM:

Damn so you live in a million pounds property with a tennis court and you have to steal stuff?

THE GRAMMAR GIRL: Millionaire's daughter Laura Johnson, 19, was charged with stealing �5,000-worth of electronic goods, including a Toshiba TV, Goodmans TV, microwave and mobile phones.

The goods were allegedly found in a car being driven by Miss Johnson after a branch of Comet in Charlton, south-east London, was raided.

Bexleyheath magistrates heard that a 'public order kit' of balaclava, gloves and a bandana was also found in the car.

She achieved A*s in French, English literature, classical civilisation and geography A-levels, and is now studying English and Italian at Exeter University.

Her parents, Robert and Lindsay Johnson, live in a large detached farmhouse in Orpington. It has extensive grounds and a tennis court.

They sold their previous house, near Greenwich, for �930,000 in 2006.

Millionaire's daughter: Laura Johnson, 19, was charged with stealing �5,000-worth of electronic goods including TVs and mobile phones

Country pile: Laura Johnson's home in Orpington which has extensive grounds and a tennis court.

Posted by Grandluxe on 08-11-11 12:20 PM:

In London alone, 251 suspects have been charged with looting. Dozens have already appeared in court - and many have come up with ludicrous excuses.

Suspect David Benjamin, 25, claimed he had stolen ski goggles to protect his eyes from flying glass in Ealing.

A teenager accused of attempted burglary used his Croydon court appearance to complain about his benefits.

Aaron Samuels, 19, shouted at the judge: "I don't even get money for housing benefit."

THE 11-YEAR-OLD:The youngest looter hauled before the London courts is a boy of 11 who grabbed a �50 waste bin from a trashed Debenhams store.Prosecutor Steven Davis said: "Police saw him approach a window that had been smashed, lean in, take a waste bin and run off with it." When grabbed by officers the boy said: "I was taking it to pass on to someone else."

THE POSTMAN: Jeffrey Ebanks, 32, and his student nephew Jamal Ebanks, 18, were allegedly caught in a car stuffed with electrical goods near a looted Croydon superstore. The teenager, who admitted burglary, claimed he had been 'led astray' by his uncle.

THE NEW FATHER: Jason Matthews, who was wrestled to the ground by police in a ransacked Tesco in East Dulwich, insisted he was merely trying to buy nappies for his baby.

THE SCAFFOLDER: Christopher Heart, 23, shouted he was 'sorry for the inconvenience' and broke down in tears after admitting burglary.

The father of two was caught in JD Sports in Hackney.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...icle3745609.ece
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"I don't even get housing benefit", "sorry for the inconvenience"

LOL

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-11-11 12:25 PM:

Posted by Humpy on 08-11-11 02:24 PM:

I suggest the UK hires an old disused gulag in Siberia and ship the useless sods off there or failing that have an annual cull.

Posted by J Ski on 08-11-11 03:25 PM:

Quote from morganist:

Depends where you are. Remember the Sony depot was burnt down so the stock is burnt. I guess elsewhere but probably not for a few days.

Been watching SNE for awhile now.
Looked at the 15 year chart and it's possible the stock is spent.
It had it's ride and if you superimpose a bell curve on it then it is
in the last stage, decline.

I was just thinking about the Renaissance again.
Stands for rebirth.
What does all of what we have been writing here have to
do with the economy, stocks?
Concurrently there are some unbelievable advancements in
scientific fields.
If these events are cyclical then we are now starting into a period
of rebirth, maybe.

Eddiefl, would be hard for me too.

And to the person that said this news is propaganda.
I work out of town at times.
Been to some places. They are boarded up, houses burned, gangs own these neighborhoods. This is fact. Not made up.
If it's just malarkey, I'll give you some areas to visit, and encourage you to stop, your car and walk around some. I would put odds on you, not making it back to your car alive.

Posted by Scataphagos on 08-11-11 03:29 PM:

Re: There are some big riots going on in England right now

Quote from morganist:

There are some big riots going on in London in Tottenham right now. I don't know if you are seeing it on the news. It is supposedly about a guy that got shot by the police a couple of days ago. There is a bus on fire and police cars on fire and builds too. There is looting and eight police officers have been put in hospital.

It has been going on for a few hours now. It is still going on.

Same riots coming to America.

As soon as the politicos admit, "sorry... the money we promised you [to buy your vote] is not available... cannot be sustained..."

American parasitic tit-suckers will riot just like in London... "YOU PROMISED... I WANT MY FRICKIN' MONEY!! I don't care if you don't have it... if you don't give me what you promised, I'm going to BURN THE TOWN!!"

Posted by nutmeg on 08-11-11 03:42 PM:

Quote from Grandluxe:

THE NEW FATHER: Jason Matthews, who was wrestled to the ground by police in a ransacked Tesco in East Dulwich, insisted he was merely trying to buy nappies for his baby.

This defense is alive and well in the US. It's called the "pampers defense". The psychology behind this is the perp does not want you to think bad of him. He's hoping for some modicum of respect.

The guy is standing on the corner trying to make a drug buy. The police show up, he walks away, the police ask him what are you doing where are you going? He replies "I'm going to buy pampers for the baby".

Posted by achilles28 on 08-11-11 04:27 PM:

Re: Re: There are some big riots going on in England right now

Quote from Scataphagos:

Same riots coming to America.

As soon as the politicos admit, "sorry... the money we promised you [to buy your vote] is not available... cannot be sustained..."

American parasitic tit-suckers will riot just like in London... "YOU PROMISED... I WANT MY FRICKIN' MONEY!! I don't care if you don't have it... if you don't give me what you promised, I'm going to BURN THE TOWN!!"

+10..........

Posted by Debaser82 on 08-11-11 04:46 PM:

A lot of Premier League stars are calling for an end of the riots.

LOL.

I bet they are.. Given the cars they drive...

Posted by chaosclarity on 08-11-11 05:15 PM:

The riots are more from a lack of employment then anything else.

Posted by nutmeg on 08-11-11 07:46 PM:

Is it possible the riots have stopped because all the good shops have been looted and they're all just staying in to look at the shit they have?

Posted by Kassz007 on 08-11-11 07:56 PM:

Are you guys still talking about these riots? Seems like ages ago this was happening.

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-11-11 08:24 PM:

Quote from Artful D0dger:

Horse shit, as usual. The riots are overwhelmingly blacks. Even the BBC acknowledges this. The only think I have seen were Sihks coming out and chasing off rioters. Due to your cultural ignorance, you may not know the difference between Sihks and Arabs. In any case, the rioters have been largely blacks, that's the reality. You can whine, cry, and stomp your feet all you like, but it wont make the rioters white. The Manchester riots are childsplay compared to London. If the Manchester riots are white, it would certainly explain that.

Absolutely not one person here including myself has declared the rioters in London to be anything else but majority black but the riots elsewhere are looking very white especially Manchester and it was not the racial composition of the Manchester riots that caused them to fizzle out it was the robust actions of the local police. I see you have deliberately discounted local Muslims that fought the rioters in East London and Birmingham and in one particular event died. I suppose your racial purity views don't let you give credit where its due.

Posted by Mysteron on 08-11-11 10:26 PM:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5fe_1313080292

The riots have made me feel like leaving the UK. Its shameful having a weak ineffective police force.

Posted by morganist on 08-11-11 10:58 PM:

Quote from Mysteron:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5fe_1313080292

The riots have made me feel like leaving the UK. Its shameful having a weak ineffective police force.

I am feeling you. I feel the same. Where can you go though?

Can I ask our foreign friend how has it been reported by the media? Has it been a big thing?

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-11-11 11:05 PM:

Quote from Mysteron:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5fe_1313080292

The riots have made me feel like leaving the UK. Its shameful having a weak ineffective police force.

The Met have certainly not been shining beacons of integrity and diligent policing recently but the rest of the English police forces have held it together rather well. The PSNI deal with organized violence all year long without getting their knickers in a twist so I can't see how the mainland plod cannot achieve the same levels of control with a bit more training and better equipment.

Posted by TGregg on 08-11-11 11:35 PM:

Quote from morganist:

Can I ask our foreign friend how has it been reported by the media? Has it been a big thing?

We're heard about it. One group has started a collection campaign to help:

Posted by Humpy on 08-12-11 08:42 AM:

What disgraceful behaviour.

The big city low-life come out when they feel strong enough and wreak havoc.

One silly old Bishop's master plan was to blame ourselves and fall to our knees and pray. That's the sort of pseudo Christian nonsense some come up with.

I suggest police snipers to pick the bastards off.

Perhaps the Russians have a spare Gulag in the middle of Siberia somewhere for the live ones ?

Posted by Kassz007 on 08-12-11 02:26 PM:

Quote from morganist:

Can I ask our foreign friend how has it been reported by the media? Has it been a big thing?

Canadian media was reporting on it for a few days, but the media hasn't been making the impression that it is a big deal in my opinion.

Posted by Grandluxe on 08-12-11 04:56 PM:

A man apeared in court going equipped to steal just after the riots - with balaclava, rubber gloves and swimming goggles.

Levent Mustafa, 22, said they were to keep his face warm and he liked wearing masks.

The defendant, wearing a superman t-shirt in the dock, was arrested on Thursday in north London.

14.58 An optician who lost �20,000 worth of glasses said one thug asked him whether he had any Ray Bans left.

Keith Rowland, who owns KA Rowland Opticians in Catford, south London, had rushed back to his store on Monday after seeing it being broken into on TV. But when the 60-year-old arrived he found most of his stock gone - around �20,000 worth of glasses and shades.

He said today:

Looters had already been and taken most of the goods, but there were still a few people around outside the shop. One guy even asked me whether I had any Ray-Bans left. I just told him to go and have a look as there was no point trying to stop him - there were too many of them.

Posted by Illum on 08-12-11 05:18 PM:

Keith Rowland

Well what a mistake, trying to open and run a business there. Now you lost everything and your family starves. You should have used your money and energy to move, serves you right. Who is John Galt

Posted by MKTrader on 08-12-11 09:03 PM:

Quote from Humpy:

I suggest police snipers to pick the bastards off.

Good luck in the U.K.

In the U.S., there are places where residents and shop keepers would be on top off their own roofs doing the sniping.

Posted by morganist on 08-12-11 09:15 PM:

I don't know if this is riot related or just genral news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wear-14509599

Posted by zdreg on 08-12-11 09:27 PM:

Quote from MKTrader:

Good luck in the U.K.

In the U.S., there are places where residents and shop keepers would be on top off their own roofs doing the sniping.

exactly.
In the US major riots if they take place will be in the cities where laws against gun ownership are strong i.e. new york, San Francisco.
they will not take place in the South were most people own guns.

Posted by Ash1972 on 08-12-11 10:39 PM:

Once again, Britain's hard working middle classes have their lives wrecked by this country's nonsensical liberal agenda.

Where were the armed police? Where was the shoot to kill policy for rioters? Nicolas Sarkozy got this right in the French riots of 2001 and he was applauded worldwide.

We are too scared to do any damn thing right. Same story.

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Posted by 1flyfisher on 08-13-11 12:08 AM:

Ultimately you have to protect your own life and your own property and can't rely on the authorities to come to your aide.
The people of the UK have allowed themselves to be disarmed.
Now They can do nothing to defend their property and the police will not do anything to protect them. They now have to hide in their homes or flee the looters and rioters. Liberal bleeding heart ideology prevents the authorities from acting with force and implementing martial law and shooting the looters and rioters.

You can have riots and looting take place for a variety of reasons including natural disasters look @ Hurrican Katrina and how the animals behaved and began running wild looting. A natural disater or many sorts of different events can cause people to go on a rampage killing and robbing. Be prepared.

I own...
Ar-15 .223 with a dozen 30 rounds clips
30-06 Winchester with Leopold scope
Remington 12 guage
Benelli 12 guage
Colt 1911 .45 ACP
Beretta 9mm.
Ruger 10-22 .22 long rifle
Hundreds of rounds for each.

Now one is EVER coming into my home without getting a double tap to the chest and one to the head.

..p.s.....I Support the Second Amendment
God Bless America

Posted by morganist on 08-13-11 12:29 AM:

Quote from 1flyfisher:

Ultimately you have to protect your own life and your own property and can't rely on the authorities to come to your aide.
The people of the UK have allowed themselves to be disarmed.
Now They can do nothing to defend their property and the police will not do anything to protect them. They now have to hide in their homes or flee the looters and rioters. Liberal bleeding heart ideology prevents the authorities from acting with force and implementing martial law and shooting the looters and rioters.

You can have riots and looting take place for a variety of reasons including natural disasters look @ Hurrican Katrina and how the animals behaved and began running wild looting. A natural disater or many sorts of different events can cause people to go on a rampage killing and robbing. Be prepared.

I own...
Ar-15 .223 with a dozen 30 rounds clips
30-06 Winchester with Leopold scope
Remington 12 guage
Benelli 12 guage
Colt 1911 .45 ACP
Beretta 9mm.
Ruger 10-22 .22 long rifle
Hundreds of rounds for each.

Now one is EVER coming into my home without getting a double tap to the chest and one to the head.

..p.s.....I Support the Second Amendment
God Bless America

Great post.

Ar-15 .223 with a dozen 30 rounds clips. Yes the best rifle available in US
30-06 Winchester with Leopold scope. A Classic.
Remington 12 guage. A must.
Benelli 12 guage. Back up to the Remington?
Colt 1911 .45 ACP. Another classic.
Beretta 9mm. Good choice I would gone Glock
Ruger 10-22 .22 long rifle. I would have Remington 700.
Hundreds of rounds for each.

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-13-11 08:18 AM:

Quote from Ash1972:

Once again, Britain's hard working middle classes have their lives wrecked by this country's nonsensical liberal agenda.

Where were the armed police? Where was the shoot to kill policy for rioters? Nicolas Sarkozy got this right in the French riots of 2001 and he was applauded worldwide.

We are too scared to do any damn thing right. Same story.

Most of the people affected have been in working class areas rather than the squeezed middle, the Asian commercial community have have also been badly affected. We have had a shoot to kill policy in the UK (allegedly) and it did little to curb violence in Northern Ireland and even to this day the PSNI are heavily armed but riots still break out every summer.

Note: Sarko was not Interior Minister in 2001

Posted by 377OHMS on 08-13-11 09:08 AM:

Quote from morganist:

Ar-15 .223 with a dozen 30 rounds clips. Yes the best rifle available in US

Ahem... Disagree. The M-14 is preferred. The M-16 is a toy by comparison.

It can shoot through cinderblock, through body armor and has a incredible range and very flat trajectory. The civilian version is the Springfield M1A which is semi-auto only. Ammo is expensive and a little scarce though (7.62 x 54 mm NATO, .308 Winchester).

My little collection:

Springfield M1A
Remington 870 Tactical Magnum
S&W Model 66 Combat Magnum
S&W Model 41 Target .22LR
Marlin 39 .22LR

I've got a modest quantity of 12 ga. and .308, a few hundred each but I've got 18,000+ .22LR in match grade lol.

Posted by Ash1972 on 08-13-11 11:12 AM:

Quote from Dragons Teeth:

Most of the people affected have been in working class areas rather than the squeezed middle, the Asian commercial community have have also been badly affected. We have had a shoot to kill policy in the UK (allegedly) and it did little to curb violence in Northern Ireland and even to this day the PSNI are heavily armed but riots still break out every summer.

Note: Sarko was not Interior Minister in 2001

Well the looting was primarily carried out against small business owners. I would class these people as the middle class backbone of Britain. True, the areas involved were mainly working class, but not everyone living in these areas is necessarily poor and/or on welfare.

There is a huge difference between using shoot to kill against looters - who are cowardly and only in it for the money - and against political rebels, who have a point to make and often don't mind becoming martyrs. That's why shoot to kill has completely failed in the Middle East protests as the rioters are genuinely rising up against dictatorship.

I am talking about using tough tactics against criminals who are leading comfortable lives on welfare all at the expense of the taxpayer, essentially the people they are looting.

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Posted by J Ski on 08-13-11 11:36 AM:

UK can have Bachmann and Palin.
That should straighten out the hoods.

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-13-11 01:36 PM:

Quote from Ash1972:

Well the looting was primarily carried out against small business owners. I would class these people as the middle class backbone of Britain. True, the areas involved were mainly working class, but not everyone living in these areas is necessarily poor and/or on welfare.

There is a huge difference between using shoot to kill against looters - who are cowardly and only in it for the money - and against political rebels, who have a point to make and often don't mind becoming martyrs. That's why shoot to kill has completely failed in the Middle East protests as the rioters are genuinely rising up against dictatorship.

I am talking about using tough tactics against criminals who are leading comfortable lives on welfare all at the expense of the taxpayer, essentially the people they are looting.

From the court appearances it would appear that many are in full employment and the looters varying from an off duty soldier all the way through to the offspring of millionaires. So far I am keeping an open mind to the root cause of these riots but I am not convinced that welfare is a prime causative. The social ills of the UK have been long in the making.

Posted by Dragons Teeth on 08-13-11 01:49 PM:

Quote from J Ski:

UK can have Bachmann and Palin.
That should straighten out the hoods.

Yeah that pair have made such sweeping changes to US society......not.

Posted by Ash1972 on 08-13-11 01:56 PM:

Quote from Dragons Teeth:

From the court appearances it would appear that many are in full employment the looters varying from 11 year old's, off duty soldier all the way through to the offspring of millionaires. So far I am keeping an open mind to the root cause of these riots but I am not convinced that welfare is a prime causative. The social ills of the UK have been long in the making.

If you think about it, welfare gives people a roof over their head and enough to eat - the basics to sustain life - but none of the luxuries.

Thus having basic needs taken care of by the tax payer and 100% of their time being leisure time as they are not working for their survival, the obvious thing to do is turn to crime to finance the luxuries.

Nothing breeds crime like welfare.

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Posted by macroman on 08-13-11 02:20 PM:

so far i think there is not enough riots to say this is more than usual. However another couple of bursts in eu will change things. This kind of stuff can spread and 'kill em all' will not work and will achieve opposite.

in my opinion this will affect property small businesses etc, which will affect banks.

Maybe last drops and shortsale ban are kind of anticipation of this xxx continuing/expanding.

keep eyes open

Posted by J Ski on 08-13-11 03:09 PM:

Quote from Ash1972:

Nothing breeds crime like welfare.

It was shown that all strata of income were looting.

Macroman, "keep all eyes open" . I like this.

Posted by CrackPipe on 08-13-11 03:10 PM:

time to move this thread to chit-chat

Posted by J Ski on 08-13-11 03:22 PM:

It is a little chit-chat.
It's also something to start looking at in terms of how it relates
to the global economy.
Look at SNE and factor in the warehouse burning, hacks.
So, maybe it looks insignificant, but in a longer trend
it may prove to be something that is significant.
So, don't dismiss the thread as bs, just yet.

Posted by Ash1972 on 08-13-11 03:25 PM:

Quote from J Ski:

It was shown that all strata of income were looting.

I would say the sons and daughters of the wealthy were the exception rather than the rule.. though technically being bankrolled by a rich daddy makes them welfare cases too

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Posted by Ash1972 on 08-13-11 03:26 PM:

Quote from CrackPipe:

time to move this thread to chit-chat

Not so. Discussions about social mood changes are vastly more relevant to financial markets than any hot air about earnings, macro outlook or whatever else.

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Posted by Humpy on 08-13-11 04:07 PM:

The UK has a long history of rioting/rebellion by the disenchanted, since Magna Carta .

It usually leads to minor reforms of voting or something. This takes some of the steam out of the situation for some decades while injustices and resentment continue to smoulder.

The usual small minority lot always seem to be getting the best of everything:-
covering themselves in gold braid in the army, navy etc
awarding each other with shiny medals, civil ranks etc
hogging most of the wealth to build large country estates etc

Posted by J Ski on 08-13-11 04:14 PM:

Quote from Ash1972:

Not so. Discussions about social mood changes are vastly more relevant to financial markets than any hot air about earnings, macro outlook or whatever else.

I Like this. My Opinion, and don't have a logical idea of how to support
my opinion.

One of the threads, I've been following here on ET,
gave me one of the Marine type boot camp wallops to the brain,
in the gut, everything in short.
I felt like my brain was broken for a little while, yesterday.
I was wishing for a starting over to learn how to invest , trade, make money.
And Wow, got it!

ThanksET. I had been on ET years ago, and gotten some crazy idea,
I could learn to understand the market.
Long story short, Bad experience, stopped looking at the markets, and
just recently bought a stock, after going to Vegas, and overcoming my
fear of gambling.
Sorry to ramble a bit. But, we see news, we listen to it, and are fed so much of it, (I am a news addict, I guess, or was) that maybe we start to
not be able to think anymore.
Couple that with facebook, and all the other passive streams of information
that we become accustomed to, I think the average person, me, just gets
hypnotized and can't analyze or think for themselves.
So what does this have to do with the riots. Have to search what's not obvious.

Posted by Appleseed on 08-13-11 08:41 PM:

Quote from nutmeg:

Is it possible the riots have stopped because all the good shops have been looted and they're all just staying in to look at the shit they have?

Nothing but dollar stores left

cheers
john

Posted by dtan1e on 08-13-11 09:44 PM:

This is a case of having one lion is better than a 100 sheeps, simply put they didnt have good people in charge of the police

Posted by Eight on 08-13-11 11:55 PM:

I'm thinking that we are only very early on in the world class worldwide meltdown of Socialism. If people are rioting now they are going to be a real mess when things actually do become unliveable... For the US, my only hope is that we come out of it with our Constitutional rights... they have been trampled a bit by the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs so maybe as the funding dries up for such folly we will get some of them back...

Posted by morganist on 08-14-11 12:07 AM:

Quote from Eight:

I'm thinking that we are only very early on in the world class worldwide meltdown of Socialism. If people are rioting now they are going to be a real mess when things actually do become unliveable... For the US, my only hope is that we come out of it with our Constitutional rights... they have been trampled a bit by the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs so maybe as the funding dries up for such folly we will get some of them back...

We'll said.

Posted by number22 on 08-14-11 06:13 AM:

Give me a break, this is oldest trick on book about mass population controls, Chinese did this same thing in Tibet before hosting Olympic, first let some lunatics run wild on street, then, government can come in and taking crack on everybody who don't listen and obey the governments.

burning down old buildings and looting small businesses are very legitimate reason for police to crack on all people. Land developers are ready to build after government hand out big juice contracts, Insurances company can raise their insurance policy premium later, and criminal are going to vacation in jail. Everybody wins, except the taxpayers, of course.

Posted by Humpy on 08-14-11 08:30 AM:

Quote from Eight:

I'm thinking that we are only very early on in the world class worldwide meltdown of Socialism. If people are rioting now they are going to be a real mess when things actually do become unliveable... For the US, my only hope is that we come out of it with our Constitutional rights... they have been trampled a bit by the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs so maybe as the funding dries up for such folly we will get some of them back...

Tony Blair did alright though. $1million per year from JP Morgan, nice cosy job as UN ambassidor for peace ( he only started 5 wars ) and now worth an estimated $70 million.

Might as well give up on the war on drugs. Just like Prohibition in the USA in the 1920s - doomed to failure and enriched the Mafia.

Decent people can't afford to be in many cases now and have to resort to criminal grabbing too.

The young looters are behaving just like ......er politicians ( the expenses scandal ) , bankers etc. but on a micro scale. Every country is now gripped by the "PIGSTY" culture of greed - thanks to the USA

Posted by Bear-Attack on 08-14-11 10:54 AM:

Sales of Baseball Bats soar in the UK

As just about everyone knows wandering around with a gun in your hand is not an option open to the average Englishman when civil disorder erupts. In fact, owning a handgun of any kind, by anyone (yes, even single shot target pistols of the Olympic kind: the team has to do its practice outside the UK), is illegal.

So, when civil disorder does erupt, as it has done in those riots, said average Englishman needs to be creative as to what weapons can be used for defence. Amazon UK quickly suspended sales of police style batons, so the sales of baseball bats have soared.

Sales of one type of aluminium truncheon rose 50,000% within 24 hours, entering the top-10 bestselling items in the sports category. Before they were de-listed, two different �police-style� truncheons had seen sales increase more than 400-fold overnight, though from a low base.

Strangely for an Englishman, as baseball is not one of the sports we play, this is a subject I know something about. For one of the things I do in my day job is supply the scandium which is used to make the various �scandium aluminium� baseball bats. So I can offer advice on which type of bat should be purchased.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...ball-bat-sales/

Posted by Ash1972 on 08-14-11 03:42 PM:

Quote from Bear-Attack:

... one of the things I do in my day job is supply the scandium which is used to make the various �scandium aluminium� baseball bats. So I can offer advice on which type of bat should be purchased.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...ball-bat-sales/

Congratulations, that's a wonderful counter cyclical business you've got there

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Posted by zdreg on 08-14-11 03:57 PM:

[QUOTE]Quote from Ash1972:

Congratulations, that's a wonderful counter cyclical business you've got there [/QUOTE

likely it is a "wonderful" long term trend for him but represents a poor long term prognosis for the West.

Posted by J Ski on 08-14-11 04:01 PM:

Is pepper spray still illegal in the UK.
How about sonic incapacitators?

Posted by SWhiting on 08-15-11 01:17 AM:

Ho Hummmm

Hooo Hummm. The entire island of Britain could riot and it wouldn;t amount to a gnat on an elephants ass (arse).

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Posted by syswizard on 08-15-11 01:20 AM:

Re: Ho Hummmm

Quote from SWhiting:

Hooo Hummm. The entire island of Britain could riot and it wouldn;t amount to a gnat on an elephants ass (arse).

No fan of the Brits, eh ?
Well, I worked with them in spades for JP Morgan....that company is all about the Brits.
They really think they're "something".....that's my take away.

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Posted by MKTrader on 08-15-11 03:21 AM:

Quote from Humpy:

The young looters are behaving just like ......er politicians ( the expenses scandal ) , bankers etc. but on a micro scale. Every country is now gripped by the "PIGSTY" culture of greed - thanks to the USA

I'm not a fan of most politicians/bankers, but what most of them do is legal, whether ethical or not. At worst, they usually exploit gray areas. There's a world of difference between that and bashing someone over the head, setting a building on fire, and stealing all the inventory from a struggling shopkeeper.

(OK, politicians sometimes do this via the police or military, but that's still a bit different.)

Blaming all this on "U.S. greed" is idiotic. Similar rioting has happened in Muslim countries with little Western influence who hate the U.S.

Japan, on the other hand, is influenced much more by the U.S., but there was virtually no looting after the earthquake/tsunami. And what little looting occurred was mostly by the hands of foreigners. What happened there was like Katrina X 10, yet they didn't react anything like in U.S. or European inner cities.

The same lack of looting after natural disasters is typical of rural/suburban areas of the U.S.

There are many cultural factors at play. Blaming it all on U.S. greed isn't one of them.

Posted by Bear-Attack on 08-15-11 03:38 AM:

Obama is responsible for UK riots?

Today majority of world people think of Obama when they see a black person. I read some reports saying 90% to 95% blacks voted for Obama in year 2008. If the black person is in USA then people think he/she must have voted for Obama and still support him.

7 days back, S&P 500 fell 7% and this is the most reputed for investment world. Italian police raided the office of S&P and Moody after the downgrade of USA debts.

Today world economy is completely unstable and there is no end to financial crisis because somebody elected Obama as president of USA in year 2008.

World people were already seriously angry because of Obama and when UK police shot dead a black man (minor incident) and the riots started, the already heated up other people joined the riots and it became serious.

The world society is a tinder box and it just needs a spark to catch fire.

Posted by MKTrader on 08-15-11 03:48 AM:

Quote from Bear-Attack:

Obama is responsible for UK riots?
.

OK, to be fair, this post was equally asinine. Neither "greedy" businessmen in the U.S. nor Obama are responsible for rioting in the U.K.

Posted by Bear-Attack on 08-15-11 04:40 AM:

Quote from MKTrader:

nor Obama are responsible for rioting in the U.K.

USA president is the world's most powerful man so he is responsible for world situation.

If you cannot take responsibility for world situation then do not become USA president or Russian President.

If you can lift 10 kg weights only then never think of lifting 100 kg weights or else your back/spinal cord will be broken.

Posted by achilles28 on 08-16-11 05:25 AM:

Quote from Eight:

I'm thinking that we are only very early on in the world class worldwide meltdown of Socialism. If people are rioting now they are going to be a real mess when things actually do become unliveable... For the US, my only hope is that we come out of it with our Constitutional rights... they have been trampled a bit by the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs so maybe as the funding dries up for such folly we will get some of them back...

Yup.... Wait until America and Europe really hit the wall....

Posted by Random.Capital on 08-16-11 05:36 AM:

English riots aren't a "world situation".

They're an English problem.

Posted by achilles28 on 08-16-11 06:13 AM:

Quote from Random.Capital:

English riots aren't a "world situation".

They're an English problem.

Is Greece an "English problem" too?

Posted by J Ski on 08-16-11 10:10 AM:

I've experienced one major typhoon and
then been lucky enough to have been in FL during
hurricane Andrew and then Wilma.
One involved 30 days with no power, Wilma was 15 days.
Water, gas and certain food items get scarce.
If people get so crazy, as I have seen during
limited duration events, then I can only imagine what would
happen, if the event is of a longer duration.
Conversely, Japan's string of disasters, didn't result in
mass looting and disorder as far as the news has reported.
And it can classify as a longer duration event now.

Posted by Ash1972 on 08-16-11 10:51 AM:

Quote from Random.Capital:

English riots aren't a "world situation".

They're an English problem.

When people in a major Western economy riot, it's a situation for other Western economies.

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Posted by achilles28 on 08-16-11 10:56 AM:

Quote from J Ski:

I've experienced one major typhoon and
then been lucky enough to have been in FL during
hurricane Andrew and then Wilma.
One involved 30 days with no power, Wilma was 15 days.
Water, gas and certain food items get scarce.
If people get so crazy, as I have seen during
limited duration events, then I can only imagine what would
happen, if the event is of a longer duration.
Conversely, Japan's string of disasters, didn't result in
mass looting and disorder as far as the news has reported.
And it can classify as a longer duration event now.

Indeed. But compare Japan to America.

Who enjoys a more racially homogenized population? Lower crime rate? And greater income equality, per capita?

Posted by MKTrader on 08-16-11 01:14 PM:

Quote from achilles28:

Indeed. But compare Japan to America.

Who enjoys a more racially homogenized population? Lower crime rate? And greater income equality, per capita?

It's largely cultural, too. Looting would be considered very shameful in Japan, just as it would be in some rural/suburban areas of the U.S.

In inner cities, there's an entitlement mentality + love of all things thuggish which is a deadly concoction.

Posted by achilles28 on 08-16-11 01:26 PM:

Quote from MKTrader:

It's largely cultural, too. Looting would be considered very shameful in Japan, just as it would be in some rural/suburban areas of the U.S.

In inner cities, there's an entitlement mentality + love of all things thuggish which is a deadly concoction.

I agree. That's what I meant to imply with the 'racially homogeneous' statement, despite technically, as you pointed out, it's more cultural than racial. Japan is a remarkably upright and insular society. America is not. Nor is the UK, France etc.

Posted by CrackPipe on 08-16-11 01:40 PM:

Quote from morganist:

We'll said.

hey morganist,

have you had the bottle to leave your house yet, or are you still cowering under the table wearing your pyjamas and black belt in origami?

dont worry son, its all over now. you can come out....

Posted by nutmeg on 08-16-11 02:00 PM:

Quote from CrackPipe:

black belt in origami?

Too funny.

Posted by Humpy on 08-16-11 02:01 PM:

Quote from achilles28:

I agree. That's what I meant to imply with the 'racially homogeneous' statement, despite technically, as you pointed out, it's more cultural than racial. Japan is a remarkably upright and insular society. America is not. Nor is the UK, France etc.

Since time began to the mid 19th century there was no need for expensive prisons in Japan - the accused was beheaded.
The lower orders didn't try to question the system and still don't much.

Western cities have a sorta criminal under-class that riot and loot when they feel energetic enough and can find a cause. An annual cull would soon sort them out though.

Posted by nutmeg on 08-16-11 02:04 PM:

Quote from CrackPipe:

black belt in origami?

Ya know you are the king of origami when you have taken a massive shit and there are only three sheets of paper left.

Posted by Kassz007 on 08-16-11 02:23 PM:

Maybe this is part of your problem across the pond:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...ed-to-4-4-.html

UK inflation accelerated to more than 4.4% in July.

BOE predicts inflation will hit 5% in coming months.

Posted by Humpy on 08-16-11 02:30 PM:

Organised criminals largely orchestrate the trouble in conjunction with various extremist groups.

They target jewellery and high value shops and have been and gone before the cops turn up to catch the stragglers struggling along with an armchair, TV or something.

Posted by Humpy on 08-16-11 02:33 PM:

Here are some

Posted by morganist on 08-17-11 12:29 AM:

Do you want me to unstick this now?

Posted by J Ski on 08-18-11 01:09 AM:

Sure, I was looking at the other thread your on, with the Mad Max
scenario, so that looks like another good one to join.

Posted by Martinghoul on 02-11-12 03:10 PM:

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
This is just unfathomable to me.

Britain will never be the same. They can kiss tourism goodbye. And what kind of society can exist when your neighbors looted your shop or burned your house?

I remember seeing this prediction on this site and elsewhere. Just thought I'll mention here what actually happened:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/876...bers-to-UK.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/907...urism-boom.html

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Posted by morganist on 02-11-12 03:18 PM:

Quote from Martinghoul:

I remember seeing this prediction on this site and elsewhere. Just thought I'll mention here what actually happened:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/876...bers-to-UK.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/907...urism-boom.html

I have to admit it has returned to a certain level of normality. However I think it will happen again.

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