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i7 2600k new build
I had started some posts here for a new build...
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...=6&pagenumber=2
and I will re- post them in this thread for easy referencing as suggested by Bolimomo.
This build started as I had experienced trouble with a current machine, and felt it is best to assemble a new machine while trouble is resolved with older unit found here ...
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...threadid=222322
from previous post:
I just picked up these parts this evening.
I needed to get a new build as the current one has had some issues and until resolved I went for a new setup.
(blanked out salesman and store info in pic )
Purchase prices cheaper than sticker prices on boxes.
Intel i7 2600k
Asus P8p67 Pro
3 Asus ENGT 430 1 gb ddr3 vid cards ( running 6 monitors )
8 gb Corsiar vengeance ddr3 ( 2x4 )
OCZ 800w P/S
OCZ Agility 120gb SSD Sata lll 6 gbps
Installing W7 pro 64 OS
I will throw it together and post some feedback on the building and running it.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Anyone have recommendations for a quiet case ?
Tom's Hardware in an older thread suggests the Antec P183 V3 and the Zalman TNN-500AF, as the fav of many who replied. ( again a few years old )
My main case is an Antec 900 and does what its built to do and that is stay cool. Excellent case but a little quieter would be nice although not top of the priority list.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/2...t-computer-case
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I just stopped in the local Microcenter http://www.microcenter.com/ and took a look at the Antec P 183.
This is a great case. All about noise reduction and good airflow to reduce heat. It is setup about as good as it gets with cases and the price comes in at $160. Spoke to some of the techs there and they agreed a perfect case for noise reduction.
Leaning towards this purchase
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/pro...MTgwOA==&lan=us
I really like that the power supply is separated into its own section and its heat is eliminated without entering the case
http://www.antec.com/demo/p183/p183_flash.html
This was a good question / feedback from Bolimomo
Quote from Bolimomo:
It looks like to match that design, the power supply itself needs to blow air through from the front to the back.
Many power supplies that I have seen, and your OCZ 800W seems to be of that design too, sucks air from the back of the chassis and blows to the side (towards the motherboard where usually the expansion cards sit).
The airflow seems to be opposite to what this P183 was designed for?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Yes you are correct. The OCZ is not the best choice for this case.
The Antec P183 case suggests using Antec's CP 850 for best match.
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=NzIw
I will keep the OCZ p/s for repairs to the Antec 900 build I have been working on to eliminate freezing problems and make the purchase for the CP850 for the new build.
prices for Antec CP850 P/S
A new thread will be a good idea for the i7 build
Looking for a cpu cooler for the i7 2600k that the Antec P183 can fit.
Reading up on some good reviews from newegg on the
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212.
It is big but the P183 should fit this easily.
Anyone have any experience with this cooler or perhaps a better recommendation ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ster-_-35103065
P193 did not attach so I will post here
The P183 which is the case I like and all the positive feedback it gets on quiet case operating
Newegg price for the Antec CP850 recommended ps for the P183 Antec Case
Some of the reviews I had read suggesting any purchase of the P183 case should go with this ps as the cables are longer for the larger p183 case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...71024&Tpk=cp850
Here is a receipt to give an idea of the prices for parts purchased so far.
MicroCenter purchases
The Asus GT 430's are all on separate receipts due to the 1 per customer rebates. Those video cards have a $20.00 mail in rebate each so I will get back $60. from the 3 cards.
The OCZ Agility 120gb ssd comes with a $30.00 mail in rebate so that total comes to $219.00 after
The I7 was prices down $90. from original price of $369.
The Asus P8p67 pro mb comes with an instant $40.00 in store rebate with the purchase of the i7.
So far $90.00 in mail in rebates coming back.
OCZ ps will be used in an older computer and if I decide on the P183 case a new purchase will be made for the
Antec CP850 ps. at a cost of $129. newegg
Adding an Antec P183 case will be an additional $150. ish
Made the purchase for the Antec P183 case.
The design is nice and it is just what I am looking for in this build.
Plenty of room inside this case for airflow. Price $154.00
I have also picked up a Kingwin kf-1000-bk 3.5 internal hot swap rack.
It was priced down to $17.00
Installed this exact unit in the Antec 900 and it has worked excellent for a few years now
Picked up a basic dvd player at about $19.00, Except for using to install the OS and to burn some ISO files when needed I really never use this.
Still looking for a CPU cooler
I do like the Antec
KUHLER Box Universal CPU Cooler
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0364098
Good reviews and this case can handle it. Will check on the P8p67 pro to make sure it is a good fit.
Still open to suggestions of any kind.
The OCZ Agility 120gb SSD sata lll 6gps
has been marked down to a sale price of $199.00 now.
I had just purchased it on sale for $219.00, so I am going to bring it back and get the newer sale price.
( this still includes the $30.00 mail in rebate)
Quote from TIKITRADER:
It is big but the P183 should fit this easily.
Anyone have any experience with this cooler or perhaps a better recommendation ?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Looking for a cpu cooler for the i7 2600k that the Antec P183 can fit.
Reading up on some good reviews from newegg on the
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212.
It is big but the P183 should fit this easily.
Anyone have any experience with this cooler or perhaps a better recommendation ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ster-_-35103065
Quote from Scalper007:
This is an excellent cooler. Very quiet. I am using it on my amd phenom II. Its even better for i7 as it will screw in with the backplate making better contact on the cpu. At full load, I am at 39c. You can also use two fans for a push-pull effect. For its price, it is the best. But there are others in the higher price range which are better.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I have also picked up a Kingwin kf-1000-bk 3.5 internal hot swap rack.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Great. Thanks for the feedback from Bolimomo and yourself on this cooler.
Quote from Bolimomo:
What is the idea behind having a hot swap rack?
Quote from Bolimomo:
The only complaint I have on this is:
I couldn't tell which way the fan blows. Maybe someone can point up what I have overlooked.
I don't have a test lab set up. The power supply will not come on unless I hook up the 22-pin/24-pin connector to the motherboard and the main power is switched on. So I had to clamp the cooler to the CPU, assembled the motherboard on to the chassis, hooked up the power supply and the front-panel cords, etc... turned on the main power... only to see that the fan blew the wrong way. (I knew I had a 50-50 chance.). Oh well... had to take off everything to re-mount the cooler facing the opposite way.
A small arrow mark on the fan(s) would have been nice.
This is the sticker side of the fan blades I am referring to
Quote from TIKITRADER:
This setup will have the ssd dedicated to the os, trading, and necessary programs and continue with all other work/data on swappable drives. I can also share swap drives with the other machine.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Thanks for the tip on arrow marks. I might have missed them.
As for sharing disks... It seems that physically unplugging/plugging drives (if done on a daily basis) may be tiring.
Perhaps a network-based file sharing (perhaps with sync feature) program running on all computers?
When I decided to purchase the P183 case I went online and made the purchase on the Antec CP 850
from Newegg.
Local Microcenter did not carry this model.
I was notified unit would be delivered quickly.
Selected 3 day shipping but in a day its already at local
Ups facility.
Isn't Newegg based in California ? possibly they have an East coast
distribution ?
I'm in Nj/NYC area . I rarely purchase online as the local
Micro center has great sales and I just stop in.
Very surprised at the speed of Newegg. .. excellent service.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Isn't Newegg based in California ? possibly they have an East coast
distribution ?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
"... Micro center has great sales and I just stop in.
Very surprised at the speed of Newegg. .. excellent service.
I don't have a Micro Center nearby. I use Fry's and their selections are pretty good too. I got most of my components from them. The rest online.
Quote from Scataphagos:
It's always good to reference Micro Center and Newegg whenever you buy computer components... Monoprice.com, also.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Ups looks like it had fun with the box, but inside packed very well and arrived fine.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I don't have a Micro Center nearby. I use Fry's and their selections are pretty good too. I got most of my components from them. The rest online.
Unpacked the power supply box and it was packed very well from Newegg and there was no damage to interior p/s box.
Quote from Scataphagos:
It's always good to reference Micro Center and Newegg whenever you buy computer components... Monoprice.com, also.
Quote from Bolimomo:
... be gentle when you clamp down the CPU chip to the socket. Don't bend any pin! That saves you lots of trouble!!! LOL
My wife was in the area of Microcenter and stopped in for me and was credited of the newer sale price on the OCZ Agility SSD 120gb.
I paid $219.00 after mail in rebates and the drive was marked down again days later to $199.00
She was credited the $20.00 difference.
Took that additional sale difference and she picked up the CoolMaster Hyper 212+ for $27.99 on sale from reg $29.99
Thanks for the feedback on this cooler. The user reviews are great online also. For this price it is a good purchase.
TIKITRADER,
Once you've got your machine up and running, can you post some feedback on boot up times and also the quietness of the machine. I'm thinking of upgrading to an SSD drive and a silent cooler to reduce the hum of my machine. The Coolmaster cooler looks like good value.
thanks,
Runningbear
Quote from Runningbear:
TIKITRADER,
Once you've got your machine up and running, can you post some feedback on boot up times and also the quietness of the machine. I'm thinking of upgrading to an SSD drive and a silent cooler to reduce the hum of my machine. The Coolmaster cooler looks like good value.
thanks,
Runningbear
This is the ssd I picked up on sale for $199.
Look at these really nice pre- builts from PowerSpec
Nice stuff and prices are in a good range
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Look at these really nice pre- builts from PowerSpec
Nice stuff and prices are in a good range
Quote from Scataphagos:
Read a comparo story just this morning... said "(1) the i3 was PLENTY of CPU for nearly everybody, and (2) the practical difference between the i5-2500 and 17-2600 is only about 5% in most applications"
For the $600 price diff between this Power Spec i5 and the i7, I'd probably go with the i5.
FWIW...
If anyone is interested in a great thread from Multicharts Discussion Forums it was contributed by Bruce DeVault.
Bruce has some excellent knowledge and has contributed great material in different discussions.
In this thread he discusses multiCore and hyperthreading.
This is from 2010.
Thanks Bruce for his contribution in this thread
Bruce DeVault hyperthreading
Author: MAC
Date: January 2, 2011
Product Name: Intel Core i5-2500K & Core i7-2600K
Techwiki: Search on TechWiki
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s-review-6.html
Core i7 2600k vs i5 2500k vs Phenom 955BE
Posted: February 13, 2011 by expertester in Hardware
i5 good bang for the buck
http://expertester.wordpress.com/20...s-phenom-955be/
Core i7-2600K CPU Review
Author: Gabriel Torres
Type: Reviews Last Updated: January 21, 2011
Core i7-2600K
Core i7-875K
Phenom II X6 1100T
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arti...U-Review/1178/1
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Core i7-2600K CPU Review
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arti...U-Review/1178/1
Once the PC overclock to 4.7, can it run 24/7 ?
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I heard they are overclocking the i7 2600k over 5GHz now.
I have not overclocked mine yet, I just don't see the need right now.
I heard they are overclocking the i7 2600k over 5GHz now.
I have not overclocked mine yet, I just don't see the need right now.
it is blazing fast just the way it is.
Quote from Roxiticus:
I heard they are overclocking the i7 2600k over 5GHz now.
I have not overclocked mine yet, I just don't see the need right now.
it is blazing fast just the way it is.
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Quote from obamapips:
If you overclock above 4GHz, can the PC run 24/7 ?
Which model of CPU cooler do you recommend for overclocking ?
I will be starting the build today. I do not have a lot of time free but will get what I can done.
Along the way I will post images of the build step by step, and info related to the build.
exisitng you tube video
Installing the Antec CP850 into the Antec P183
Unboxing the P183
Power supply ready for install
( yes, large Dunkin Donut ice coffee very serious for a build )
Removed the standard power supply plate on back of case to make room for the large CP850 ps.
Installed the CP850.
I will remove the opposite side panel on the case for cable management, then route any power cables I can behind motherboard in the special cable management section designed for this case.
Looks like the P185 chassis has an optional opening where if you pick up other kind of power supplies (blowing air into the chassis) you can still us it too? That's pretty good!
Great thread! Love it!
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Look at these really nice pre- builts from PowerSpec
Nice stuff and prices are in a good range
...
Quote from Bolimomo:
Looks like the P185 chassis has an optional opening where if you pick up other kind of power supplies (blowing air into the chassis) you can still us it too? That's pretty good!
Quote from LEAPup:
Great thread! Love it!
Back access panel removed for easy cable routing in back of motherboard keeping everything tidy. Also better airflow reducing cables restricting good flow of air.
Quote from nkhoi:
if you look into used computers bin you will see many returns from PowerSpec so I don't buy them.
At this time I have set aside the case and moved on to the motherboard and unpacked it
I use vinyl tight fitting gloves to handle the motherboard and cpu to avoid static and hand oils.
Out of the package now
Although the Antec P183 case has a cutout for the motherboard in the back to access rear of board, I decided it would be easier to mount the CoolMaster Hyper 212+ at this timeto the MB for easy handling so I have also unpacked the cooler.
Turned the MB on its face to access back for the mounting plate of the cooler
aligning the mounting plate of the cooler to the holes in the MB for the CPU
Getting a dry fit run through to check the cooler and its fitting to the surroundings on the board. Will install the cpu and get the cooler installed after all checks out well.
No it's not your imagination lol, this cooler is massive !
Handy CoolMaster Hyper 212+ INSTALLATION VIDEO
CoolMaster Hyper 212+ user manual
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/upl...us%20manual.pdf
Tiki, looks like you've done this before. Again, great thread! Much appreciated!
Can't wait to see this setup up and running!
Btw, this thread should be a sticky. Got questions? Tiki has pics!
Ok back again. Had to step out for a bit.
I will be installing the i7 2600k into the motherboard and then finish the Coolmaster hyper212+ install.
To substitute videos that I would have liked to have done I have found you tube videos that are relative. They will be in addition to images of the actual step by step build.
Here is a great video of what is being done at this time. I will then have images up.
Thanks for the great feedback. ET is a great place to share for sure
Quote from TIKITRADER:
..... I decided it would be easier to mount the CoolMaster Hyper 212+ at this time to the MB for easy handling so I have also unpacked the cooler.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Thanks for the great feedback. ET is a great place to share for sure
Permanent installation of the Hyper 212+ backside plate to the motherboard
Sometimes we have to get very serious when it comes to a build.
Necessary hydration techniques were enforced to ensure stamina
Unpacking the i7 2600k and getting ready to install it in the mb ( cpu price much cheaper than listed on box)
Quote from Bolimomo:
Good thing... With the design of those coolers, you would need to mount the cooler on the motherboard before you screw down the motherboard onto the chassis.
Preparing the MB for the cpu.
Removed the plastic protective cover from the cpu socket
Installing the i7 2600k into the socket
Make sure the Chip is properly seated. This image can help to align cpu for installation
Lowering the locking arm for the cpu into the socket. This is where it will feel like a spring with good tension. No worries the cpu will be just fine. Lower until it locks in place.
Cpu installed and locked in place
You can get an idea of the difference between the stock cpu cooler and the Hyper 212+ in this image
When I built computers for clients, we added CPU heat sink paste after pacing the CPU on the mother board.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Cpu installed and locked in place
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Necessary hydration techniques were enforced to ensure stamina
Applying the thermal paste.
I applied some to the Hyper212+, then a drop also to the cpu.
I then take the two and slide them to spread paste and create a good contact.
Installed the CoolMaster after the thermal paste was applied and spread evenly for good contact.
I will have the fan blow air to the rear of the case. It will blow through the grills on the cooler pushing the air out to rear exhaust fan.
I may do a push pull on this cooler not sure if needed at this time.
here is a closer view of the cooler on the cpu
Quote from oraclewizard77:
When I built computers for clients, we added CPU heat sink paste after pacing the CPU on the mother board.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...iency,2850.html
http://www.overclock.net/
http://lifehacker.com/5580998/a-beg...intel-processor
http://kb.iu.edu/data/aiiu.html
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If the mods here don't make this a sticky, something's wrong. (with them)
This looks like it could be a skyscraper in Dubai.
I got the model number now... I use Cooler Master Hyper N520 for my i7-950 chip. Not as tall as yours. Double fanned. Front and back.
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=5983
I forgot to attach the User Guide for the Antec P183
http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/P183%20Manual_EN.pdf
Quote from LEAPup:
If the mods here don't make this a sticky, something's wrong. (with them)
it really is a fun thread to do.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I got the model number now... I use Cooler Master Hyper N520 for my i7-950 chip. Not as tall as yours. Double fanned. Front and back.
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=5983
i would suggest an early backup to your software install. such as after window7 is fully updated and activated with your chipset driver, device drivers, video drivers and security suite installed.
get some verbatim data life plus dvd at micro-center and make a master backup. you might just fit the above on a single dual layer disk using the image creation tool in windows 7.
personally, imo, the software on the asus support dvd outside the hardware drivers is junk. just don't use the install-all option, save the asus utilities for the end, or another day.
Ok motherboard has the CPU and cooler installed and ready for the installation into the case.
Here is a great informative video review of the Asus P8p67 Pro Motherboard
Here is a look at the MB installed into the case.
Seated the mb on to the push outs in the case and aligned the rear panel of the mb to the rear of the case. Installed the screws to hold the mb down. Make sure not to overtighten these screws as to avoid damage to the board.
The case is so big the mb looks lost in here. This is a good thing as I install each part and run cables there will be plenty of room to work, also good case airflow on the finished machine.
I am beginning to install the power throughout the MB.
Power cables are running from the lower power supply area out the back of the case in the cable management section, and back in as close as possible to the connection on the board.
This is to keep the interior of the case as open as possible for a good air flow.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Here is a great informative video review of the Asus P8p67 Pro Motherboard
http://www.youtube.com/embed/SlCgcUn9WMM
This is a page from the MB user manual for the power connections. Here is the previous image of the atx power connection
This power atx connection is at the top left of the mb. It is also the lower drawing in the previous diagram in the mb user guide. All other connections on the image are labeled for easy id.
These quick connect adapters make life easy. Used to have to slide each one of these small wires on to the pins and it was not easy with little space to work.
Now each connect goes on to the adapter and the adapter slides on the pins in one step.
Here is the user guide for the q connect of the previous image.
Q connector assembled and ready for the motherboard.
Everything that is wired to the qconnect are from the front panel as in the USB, headphones, mic, power , reset, and led's.
Installed the q connector to the mb
Connected the hd audio, sata 2, to bottom of mb
User guide connections to previous image
Installed one video card for now. I will get the system running fully before installing the remaining cards.
These cards need no additional power from the p/s.
They get powered from the board. The cards are small and give off little heat. This will help also to keep the case quieter as the video card fans are very small. This also frees up more space in the case , again for good airflow due to reduced cables and smaller cards.
Important: not a thing wrong with larger, better quality video cards.
The case can still easily be cooled. I just simply chose this way.
On to the bays.
Installing the dvd into one of the free 5.25 bays.
This is where I love this case. Clips are screwed onto the unit itself that is to be installed into the bay, then the unit is slid into the bay until it clicks. Thats it ! simple
Slide in bay
Click !
It would be nice if the forums had easy code tags for images 
a little music break
Power and sata connections finished to the dvd
Install bay clips on the 3.5 hot swap rack to be installed as the dvd was.
Hot swap rack done and slid into bay. Click !
Power to back of the hot swap connected and finishing the molex power connection. Also connecting led for the hot swap.
I believe you were going to run six monitors. Are you using a stand? And if you don't mind, how much $ do you think you'll have in this setup with everything?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Quote from LEAPup:
I believe you were going to run six monitors. Are you using a stand? And if you don't mind, how much $ do you think you'll have in this setup with everything?
Quote from Bolimomo:
Hey... your CPU cooler did not line up with the motherboard! It's on a 2-degree tilt!
Preparing the bay to install the ssd
May have mised it but what about HDD?
How many and configuration, ie 1 - Data drive; 2 - bootable backup drive of SSD and #1 data drive.
RTS
Very nice of you to provide this great pictorial tutorial on to build a great trading box!
Quote from rtstrading:
May have mised it but what about HDD?
How many and configuration, ie 1 - Data drive; 2 - bootable backup drive of SSD and #1 data drive.
RTS
Installed the ssd into the adjustable bay. The screws can be easily moved to adjust for the size of the drive. Notice the silicone gaskets. They are found throughout the case to reduce noise.
installed into module
The module with the ssd gets installed back into the case and slides into place on tracks
better image than previous ( deleted) closer look
Power is connected to ssd and the 6 gbs sata connection is complete
Here is a close up of the wire for the ssd sata connection
Here is a diagram from the Asus MB for the recommended configuration of the memory
Installing the Corsair memory
This is simple. Just insert memory into the mb according to the notch in the bottom of memory stick .
I will be installing two - 4 gb sticks according to the MB config.
The will be placed into slots A2 and B2
Memory installed in A2 and B2 slots
Making sure all connections are complete for sata to the MB
Connecting remaining case fan molex connectors for fans and cleaning all wires up. Wrapping this up now and giving the interior a nice open air flow.
Again, only one video card is installed at this time just for the boot up and to install the OS. After OS and all necessary drivers and utilities are installed, I will install the remaining video cards.
Ok, here is a look at the cable management section in the back of case behind the motherboard. These wires will get tidy now. Picture all these wires running inside the case . You have to have patience to really run it neatly if inside.
Time to clean this a little with the provided wire ties and get the cover back on rear of case.
Ok back of case has been placed on after rear panel wiring was cleaned up.
All wiring inside looks good and neat.
The hardware part of this build is complete at this time.
Additional video cards to be installed.
I may add other parts to this build in the future, but a the time I plan on running it as it is currently built with addition of vid cards.
That's a wrap for this part of the build and it has been a blast. It was really fun posting it step by step.
I will post the boot up next getting in to the bios.
Let's see this thing fire up !
All powered and running smooth.
I am not kidding I didn't hear anything and thought there was a problem.
It is so silent, and that is with one panel off to make sure everything is going well.
This is quiet !
EZ mode Bios. Mouse ability to select from settings. This is nice stuff !.
Time for bed, I am happy
Quote from rtstrading:
May have mised it but what about HDD?
How many and configuration, ie 1 - Data drive; 2 - bootable backup drive of SSD and #1 data drive.
RTS
Quote from rtstrading:
"... thought writing alot to them [SSDs] degrades their efficiency? Therefore, HDD are better for data.
Quote from rtstrading:
Ok, it appears then that you will not have any HDD?
Don't know much about SSD, but thought writing alot to them degrades their efficiency? Therefore, HDD are better for data.
Good post Scataphagos
I will post the final costs, all the pieces listed that went into the machine,
And approximate hours to purchase all items and to build the machine by weeks end.
That wil be some good info for anyone interested in a DYI build.
I will continue posting installing the os and other info.
Out today and wil continue posting later
Quote from Scataphagos:
SSD's wear out from writing, but the useful life for nearly all of us is going to be 10-20 years or more.
Intel SSD Toolbox has a "wear out indicator".. counts down from 100 to 1 when worn out (might start out at 99 sometimes). My X25-M has been used daily for 20 months and it's still on 99. At this rate, I wouldn't wear it out for 200 years.
SSDs have "wear spread" functions. That means the controller more-or-less keeps track as to which cells have been written and spreads the writes all across the memory evenly. That is, the entire drive is written once before cells are written a 2nd time, etc.... unlike a HDD which can write and overwrite the same 20G or so and perhaps never write to the majority of the drive.
IOW... unless you're writing an awful, AWFUL lot, shouldn't be concerned about "wear out".
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I will post the final costs, all the pieces listed that went into the machine,
And approximate hours to purchase all items and to build the machine by weeks end.
That wil be some good info for anyone interested in a DYI build.
I will continue posting installing the os and other info.
Out today and wil continue posting later
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I will post the final costs, all the pieces listed that went into the machine,
And approximate hours to purchase all items and to build the machine by weeks end.
That wil be some good info for anyone interested in a DYI build.
Installed the OS ... Windows 7 Pro 64 bit OEM system builder.
Installed OS
Backed up with system image and system repair disc.
Installed many updates including sp1
sys info attached
Scored lower on the video cards although not bad for them, and the remaining scores came in nicely.
Quote from Scataphagos:
Of course what I'm about to say is "apples and oranges" in comparison...
But I just this week bought a Dell T3500 from their Outlet site...
Xeon W3530 CPU, X58 mobo
3G RAM
Win 7 Pro
2 x 250GB HDD in RAID 1
2, ATI V3750 video cards (nicer than I'd previously thought)
2, Broadcom 1 GB LAN cards (why even ONE, I ask.. but got 2)
For $629 + tax.
It's quiet, fast, and best of all... low cost.
Received some nice pm's.
Everyone is welcome to post here no problem.
Feel free to contribute to builds, parts, used machines, new machines it's all good.
I was asked about the Asus Motherboard P8Z68
This is an awesome board. Like it a lot. The smart response is nice feature. ssd combined with hdd is a great feature.
Running the machine for a couple hours now.
Can take a look at the temps here for the CPU.
Looks like the Hyper 212+ is operating just as the good feedback here said it would do.
Thanks so much for the information regarding the cooler.
Thought this was a good fact for flash.
http://www.kingston.com/products/pd...ashMemGuide.pdf
The odds of a spinning hard drive failing are 10 times higher than any potential issues with SDDs.
I put my flash usb stick through the washing machine and it still worked. Flash memory rocks.
These two videos from NewEgg although two years old, will show you step by step how to build your own.
Great videos for anyone who is about to take the step but may be a little hesitant.
Building your own is SO EASY you will be amazed. You also can carefully select each piece you install based on your needs and budget while looking for good sales.
If you are thinking about it... It is SIMPLE
Go for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question...
Is it better to just keep the browser, say FF, on the ssd, or have it on the hdd .
I have it on the hdd, but does it really matter ?
http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/win...eed-tweaks.html
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Is it better to just keep the browser, say FF, on the ssd, or have it on the hdd .
I have it on the hdd, but does it really matter ?
Quote from Bolimomo:
I think what matters more is where those temporary files (cache) are written to. Every time you click on a link in FF or IE, to display the new page they write many small files. Those are the small JIFF or JPG images and other stuff that support a page. The location to store those temp files would matter more.
Good thing FF allows you to store these files in memory. I looked at the IE set up. While they let you change the folder location for temp files, it looks like you need to have some kind of RAM disk software if you want these temp files to be stored in RAM.
CPU and MB temps today after running for hours.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
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Even though the browser is located on the hdd it writes to the ssd (c:drive and location of OS ) which can be seen in the resource manager.
The link I previously attached recommended caching to ram.
Is this the correct approach ?
Quote from Bolimomo:
In the default configuration, the browser (FF), it looks like, just follows the convention... storing cache data under the C:\user\username\AppData\Roaming\BlahBlahBlah folder.
By default Windows sets the "user" folder (where user data files are stored) on the same disk as the Windows install disk. Since your Windows is on C: (SSD), so would the user data be.
I think it makes sense to change the cache to RAM. Since those are only temporary files. No real loss if those files are lost. (Temp image files, username/password cache, browser history, etc..)
Installed the remaining two video cards now. Tested them out and each one works fine. All 3 video cards installed.
Six monitors ready to go !
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Tiki:
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Installed the ssd into the adjustable bay. (snip) Notice the silicone gaskets. They are found throughout the case to reduce noise.
Quote from Bolimomo:
In the default configuration, the browser (FF), it looks like, just follows the convention... storing cache data under the C:\user\username\AppData\Roaming\BlahBlahBlah folder.
By default Windows sets the "user" folder (where user data files are stored) on the same disk as the Windows install disk. Since your Windows is on C: (SSD), so would the user data be.
I think it makes sense to change the cache to RAM. Since those are only temporary files. No real loss if those files are lost. (Temp image files, username/password cache, browser history, etc..)
Quote from JackR:
Comment - Most of the SSD failures I have read about are reported as heat problems. By insulating your SSD from the case you lose the thermal heat transfer you'd normally get and gain no noise improvement. I have no clue how hot your drive is, but you might consider removing the silicone isolators.
Jack
May be an 1-inch cooling fan for the SSD? LOL
Quote from Bolimomo:
May be an 1-inch cooling fan for the SSD? LOL
)
I can say, this computer is the quiet. Scary quiet...
Some useful info
Can You Get More Space Or Speed From Your SSD?
12:00 AM - June 9, 2011 by Doug Crowthers
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...tweak,2911.html
Thermal paste is the same thing. Looks like you already did it, so you are fine.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Thanks oraclewizard77 for sharing your experience. Would you be so kind to give a little detail for this approach.
Greatly appreciated
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Some useful info
Can You Get More Space Or Speed From Your SSD?
12:00 AM - June 9, 2011 by Doug Crowthers
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...tweak,2911.html
Speaking of quiet, does anyone have any experience with these types of self contained water cooling systems.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...oducts_id=17919
They seem pretty cheap given the quietness and performance boost they offer. or are they just a flaky gimmick for 15 year old nerds.
Runningbear
Quote from Runningbear:
Speaking of quiet, does anyone have any experience with these types of self contained water cooling systems.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...oducts_id=17919
They seem pretty cheap given the quietness and performance boost they offer. or are they just a flaky gimmick for 15 year old nerds.
Runningbear
Tiki,
Is your system overclocked?
Quote from Went Fishing:
Windows 7 will automatically allocate hard drive space to the page file & hibernation file equivalent to the amount of installed RAM. In your case, page file=8gigs hiberfile=8gigs By disabling or reducing the allocation of these two files you can quickly recover 16 gigs of your SSD.
Very nice job on the thread, well done TIKITRADER
Quote from jackson222:
Tiki,
Is your system overclocked?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Not at this time. I am installing programs and running everything normal to make sure everything is fine.
I think it will be real neat to get some overclocking going and post how well it goes !
It will be real fun at some point to take this thread to oc and have some experienced oc folks share their advice also.
Overclockers forums...
Beginner Guide to Watercooling
http://www.overclockers.com/beginne...-water-cooling/
Holy Smokin Drive Batman...........
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/03/...hands-on-video/
http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews...0-iops-for-699/
Quote from rtstrading:
Holy Smokin Drive Batman...........
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/03/...hands-on-video/
http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews...0-iops-for-699/
... that is
Good basics on...
How to set up a RAID array on your motherboard
video from
http://www.overclock3d.net/
follow up question:
I followed this
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attac...&postid=3236086
to help reduce writes to the ssd while using FF.
I have a Norton pop up to high disk usage for FF.
Appreciate very much any advice. Anyone know why ?
( not keeping norton. installed with the os )
My 2600k box overclocked to 4428 with a single click to go from stock to TURBO on the WS motherboard. I have not even tried it at "EXTREME". In TURBO it has never skipped a beat.
Sidenote: Dug out the soldering iron this morning and removed a couple capacitors to replace in older (10 years) LCD screen. Radio Shack did not have the right voltage caps so i bought HIGHER voltage ones, should work because a higher voltage cap can handle the smaller voltage to the cap. A cap of LOWER voltage rating can NOT handle a HIGHER voltage input to the cap. Wish me luck, ha..
Will order proper caps from internet in case the same type screen goes out. I hope this works, i like those 2 older screens from viewsonic, great picture, and "SQUARE" at that, HA
Bighog I was tempted to push that button !
not yet, will wait making sure everything continues to run smooth.
Nice work on the caps. I took on a soldering project last year when I made a selector switch. I hadn't done electronics in a while and I still had the soldering touch .
Looks like you really know your caps.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2071761
Radio Shacks , locally by me, don't really carry any parts like that anymore.
Used to carry all of that stuff years back now just products like tv' s , cell phone etc.
Agree about RADIO SHACK, they were always considered an electronic store when "in a pinch", cheap crap stuff is in their genes.
Times have changed, i can hear some little girl/boy asking a question....... Mommy!! What is a radio?
They should change their name to Cheap Digital Toy Store.
I decided to order some better caps from RUBYCON, good quality stuff, will buy enough to redo both of those monitors. I never lost a motherboard to bad caps or anything else, been lucky for sure. Only bad board was a recall from a bad Intel chipset.
Good work on that build.
I occasionally get these high disk usage warnings from Norton for the Firefox browser running.
( only since I have installed an SSD and placed the os and programs on it. when I used an HDD this did not happen )
I took this image of resource monitor comparing FF and IE both open.
why such a difference ? anyone with knowledge of how the browsers run maybe can shed some light on this .
Thanks !
hey TIKITRADER,
nice thread. when you were going to post the final price and part list can you also provide a link to what you think a comparable pre-built system is (ofcourse comparable only monetarily; minus the satisfaction of building it yourself).
thanks!
-kcgoogler
I will have the total cost and parts list posted this evening.
I meant to have it up already apologize for delays.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I occasionally get these high disk usage warnings from Norton for the Firefox browser running.
( only since I have installed an SSD and placed the os and programs on it. when I used an HDD this did not happen )
I took this image of resource monitor comparing FF and IE both open.
why such a difference ? anyone with knowledge of how the browsers run maybe can shed some light on this .
) I'm an AVG man myself .
Hey Tiki,
Are you up and running on all monitors? Have you thought about doing a youtube showing the speed, then possibly showing the speed with it on turbo?
Are you running six 22"s?
Yes running the six monitors now. Four 22" first level and two 19" top level. No problems and screens look great.
This is a terrible pic from another thread, also the computer in pic is the Antec 900. I will get a better image posted.
I did not give thought to you tube, but maybe that is something to consider. Have not overclocked as of yet, still working on things, but when I do I plan on posting the results.
Quote from Went Fishing:
First and foremost, I'm NOT a geek so this maybe a worthless post. "When I used an HDD this did not happen," on this computer or the old one? Was wondering if you setup the cache in RAM as you posted earlier? No need to answer me but maybe you need to enlarge the cache size? Also maybe it has to do with F Fox running in 32 bit, IE is 64bit right? I'd be tempted to remove the bulb from the "idiot light" (uninstall Norton
My suggestion:
Remove Norton on your new box. Focus on trading applications and use only "proven" software... which mean's don't use it to browse the internet and prohibit using it to hit any "download" button. Use your other old desktop or laptop for that (run Norton on them perhaps) for "checking things out".
I found that Norton really slows down my systems. With a SSD, the reboot can usually be as quick as under 30 seconds but using Norton it took 3 to 5 minutes, no quicker. Starting software took longer too. I don't know what all it is checking but sure didn't like it. Ditched Norton a while back.
You built a box using one of the fastest processors. And you put on a SSD. Why? Wanted to boost speed I presumed. It seems a waste to have Norton slows things down for you.
Here is the complete parts and price list for this build.
Prices are final sale cost, including any mail in rebates.
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Case: Antec P183 -$154.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0361145
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CPU : Intel i7 2600k - $279.00
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0354587
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MB : Asus P8P67 Pro Rev3 1155 atx - $149.99
bundle sale- additional $40. off with purchase of i7
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0364229
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P/S : Antec CP-850 ( NewEgg $129.00 +tax-shipping ) -$152.33
amazing... I paid $129. now sale $89.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...k=antec%20cp850
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Memory : Corsair Vengeance DDr3 1600 - 8GB -$99.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0359910
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SSDrive : OCZ Agility 3 120GB SATA 6Gb/s
2.5" (SSD) with SandForce
2281 - $199.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0364780
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Video Cards : 3 @ ASUS ENGT430DI1GD3LP NVIDIA GeForce GT 430 1024MB GDDR3
( $59.99 ) -$179.97
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0352694
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DVD : Samsung ( basic ) -$19.99
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Hot swap bay: Kingwin KF-1000-BK 3.5 sata -$16.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0266839
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Complete parts - Total price
$1253.24
( not including 3.5% tax on $1100.92 ( total, minus newegg purchase ))
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I have a few WD HDD so I did not need to purchase them. I also used a copy of W7 Pro 64 bit OEM sys builder I have and did not need to purchase OS.
I took my time with this build so I could post it step by step. It may have taken 3 hours to do, I really did not record the time. It was done little at a time over a few days in free time.
Really these things come together in less time, much less.
Not much too them. Cable management can be time consuming to be sure air flow is good. I was lucky with this case and had very little work to do and nice air flow in the finished build.
It takes more time installing the OS , updates, and programs than it does to build it.
This is not the first build for me, and certainly will not be the last. I can say they are all fun and rewarding to do.
If you are thinking about it and budget / time permits... Go for it
Quote from Bolimomo:
My suggestion:
Remove Norton on your new box. Focus on trading applications and use only "proven" software... which mean's don't use it to browse the internet and prohibit using it to hit any "download" button. Use your other old desktop or laptop for that (run Norton on them perhaps) for "checking things out".
I found that Norton really slows down my systems. With a SSD, the reboot can usually be as quick as under 30 seconds but using Norton it took 3 to 5 minutes, no quicker. Starting software took longer too. I don't know what all it is checking but sure didn't like it. Ditched Norton a while back.
You built a box using one of the fastest processors. And you put on a SSD. Why? Wanted to boost speed I presumed. It seems a waste to have Norton slows things down for you.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I took my time with this build so I could post it step by step. It may have taken 3 hours to do,
Quote from Bolimomo:
Is that with or without the Corona? LOL
This one is fun to watch. Two years old.
I guess if you have a handful of flash sticks you dont use, and happen to have a crashed hard drive, and you were extremely board, and you can't find a sale on an ssd... this works
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Norton history
This is from 2009... nice info
The Anatomy of an SSD
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738/5
I didn't know about microtech. I found this as the price and what comes with it jumped out at me: http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0355676
You think this would run 8 22"s?
Scat, bolimomo, tikitrader?
Wish I knew more about these powerful machines. 
I'd love to sit down over a weekend and build an i7-2600k setup as you did, but I'm still a little leery. I priced out the setup you put togeher tiki, and with everything I needed about $1,300. IF I needed to have a guru build it for me, he said he'd do it for $150. That's $1,450 in a NICE rig for the price!
Quote from LEAPup:
I didn't know about microtech. I found this as the price and what comes with it jumped out at me: http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0355676
You think this would run 8 22"s?
Scat, bolimomo, tikitrader?
Wish I knew more about these powerful machines.
I'd love to sit down over a weekend and build an i7-2600k setup as you did, but I'm still a little leery. I priced out the setup you put togeher tiki, and with everything I needed about $1,300. IF I needed to have a guru build it for me, he said he'd do it for $150. That's $1,450 in a NICE rig for the price!
Quote from LEAPup:
You think this would run 8 22"s?
I am at a blank. What video card supports six monitors ?
Is it an ati radeon or something ? I will look into it
Looks like I could add one of these to run four monitors http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814129172
That's another $200...
And would I be correct that the addition of the above card, plus the card already in the rig to max out at six monitors?
I did not look at it yet but I will. Look at the power supply needed. May not be enough and the video card compatability.
Here is the ATI Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity 6 Edition Graphics - six monitor card specs
You will notice the ps has to be accounted for along with the MB
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...overview.aspx#3
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I am at a blank. What video card supports six monitors ?
Is it an ati radeon or something ? I will look into it
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I did not look at it yet but I will. Look at the power supply needed. May not be enough and the video card compatability.
Here is the ATI Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity 6 Edition Graphics - six monitor card specs
You will notice the ps has to be accounted for along with the MB
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...overview.aspx#3
I understand it's only a solution for gamers. For many of them physical screen space (in square inches) is subjectively similar to having the smae space with higher resolution.
Quote from LEAPup:
The guy in the clip makes a good point at the end of the clip to save some money going with the cheaper card, three 27-30" monitors, putting them in portrait mode, and eliminating the need for the cumbersome six monitor stands.
Quote from LEAPup:
And would I be correct that the addition of the above card, plus the card already in the rig to max out at six monitors?
Quote from Bolimomo:
I don't think so.
The B708 Desktop Computer specs said it has 1 PCIe X16 slot total, but 0 available. Which means this box maker is already using the PCIe X16 slot for something. I am not sure what.
The Intel BDH67BL H67-Express Motherboard seems to have one DVI video outlet on the motherboard. But as soon as you put a video card on the PCIe X16 slot, most likely this onboard DVI video will be disabled.
The fact is you only have one PCIe X16 slot. If you buy a quad card, you can drive 4 monitors. If you buy an Eyefinity-6 card (a quad card), you can drive 6 monitors. But I understand you want to drive 8 monitors. So you need a Octo card of some sort. (I am not sure if it exists.)
Quote from LeeD:
I understand it's only a solution for gamers. For many of them physical screen space (in square inches) is subjectively similar to having the smae space with higher resolution.
On "cheap" 27-30 inch monitors you get the same number of pixels as on a typical 23-inch "full HD" monitor. (Basically, they are converted TVs.) If you want more pixels all the prices I have seen are over 3x price of a cheap 23-inch "full HD" monitor.
Personally, I think a 24-inch monitor has maxed out the utility of a 1920x1080 resolution. I have more than a dozen of them. I already felt that the charts look kind of coarse for the space available.
Any bigger size monitor (26, 28, 30) without providing a higher resolution is not cost effective.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Personally, I think a 24-inch monitor has maxed out the utility of a 1920x1080 resolution. I have more than a dozen of them. I already felt that the charts look kind of coarse for the space available.
Any bigger size monitor (26, 28, 30) without providing a higher resolution is not cost effective.
I could be worng but I think the only Motherboard that Microcenter carries that supports four PCI Express 2.0 x16 (supports x16, x8/x8 or x8/x16/x16)
that also supports the
Socket Type LGA 1155
is the ASUS
Maximus IV Extreme-R3 LGA 1155 P67 eATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0358024
This board is VERY expensive.
Quote from LEAPup:
I didn't know about microtech. I found this as the price and what comes with it jumped out at me: http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0355676
What's wrong with e.g ASUS P8P67 DL ? Third Full length PCIE slot uses bandwidth from an unused X1 slot but it will take a full length card and X1 bandwidth is more than adequate for trading.
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/H...idge_P67/4.html
P.S. while I am here what is difference between P67 and H67 chipset?
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Regret is useless.
Quote from mokwit:
P.S. while I am here what is difference between P67 and H67 chipset?
Quote from mokwit:
What's wrong with e.g ASUS P8P67 DL?
Quote from dcraig:
H series to use the integrated graphics and P series for overclocking - or something like that. Better than either is the Z68 chipset which seems to have no such restrictions. It doesn't seem to be any more expensive
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4329/...-caching-review
Quote from LeeD:
I understand it's only a solution for gamers. For many of them physical screen space (in square inches) is subjectively similar to having the smae space with higher resolution.
On "cheap" 27-30 inch monitors you get the same number of pixels as on a typical 23-inch "full HD" monitor. (Basically, they are converted TVs.) If you want more pixels all the prices I have seen are over 3x price of a cheap 23-inch "full HD" monitor.
Quote from Scataphagos:
Yes, primary difference between H and P is the H has integrated graphics (more of a budget mobo), and P does not.
Z68 is an enthusiast board...
X79, supposedly coming Q4, will be the updated equivalent of today's X58.
Quote from godgiven:
Get a Sabertooth or some other Military grade motherboard where the components have been tested at much higher temps for longer and generally this is reflected by a 5 year warranty
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I could be worng but I think the only Motherboard that Microcenter carries that supports four PCI Express 2.0 x16 (supports x16, x8/x8 or x8/x16/x16)
that also supports the
Socket Type LGA 1155
is the ASUS
Maximus IV Extreme-R3 LGA 1155 P67 eATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0358024
This board is VERY expensive.
Quote from godgiven:
Get a Sabertooth or some other Military grade motherboard where the components have been tested at much higher temps for longer and generally this is reflected by a 5 year warranty
Quote from LEAPup:
"... My other option is what me and Scat have been talking about, but I've not seen the w3690 processor in one in a couple of weeks, and I check the outlet site often.
Quote from Scataphagos:
It's not a MUST that you get a W3690, you know. A W3565 @3.2Ghz isn't chopped liver... especially with the fact that your CPU will sit at/near idle almost all the time in a trading environment.
Quote from LEAPup:
How does the W3565 comapre to the i7-2600K sandy bridge Tiki used? I'm hearing so many strong reviews on the i7-2600k. I'm absolutely open to a deal on a Dell though. I was stunned to know what you could get for the $ through the outlet. Btw, the 3565 is a $600 CPU new. Is that the CPU you got with your T3500 recently for around $700?
Quote from Scataphagos:
For the price, the i7-2600 is the BONG! Passmark of about 9800, while Passmark on a W3565 is about 6000. (Passmark on the i5-2500 is none too shabby either... about 7250.)
The $629 deal I got a couple of weeks ago has a W3530... Passmark about 5050. (I was actually looking for a W3690 for myself... and there was one available at $1219.... but when I thought about the price differential and considered how little the CPU is actually used, I passed up the W3690.)
In a trading rig, as the CPU usually sits at/near idle most of the time, it's often one of the least important factors/components.
For multiple video cards to run 3-4+ monitors, the mobo is most important followed by the video cards.
I'll either go with the Dell outlet deal for the money, but it's gotta be able to take the cards to run 8 monitors, or build it. I can get that guy who used to work the line for Dell in assembly who now owns a gaming cafe/repair/build store to build the tower for $150 vs. a... well, not too smart in this stuff guy like me. lol I do run NUMEROUS tick charts, NUMEROUS minute charts, numerous range, volume and NUMEROUS studies when trading Fx for my own account though. My semi-fast T3500 home system won't cut it. I've gotta upgrade, and I'm going to use the same 8 monitor layout that I use at my office in my house for Fx trading as I'm used to it, and comfortable with it.
Quote from LEAPup:
Makes sense! Thanks!
Sooooo, what do I do now?
And agreed, I don't need a Ferrari CPU. A well tuned Corvette CPU, yes.
I keep thinking Scat, Bolimomo, and Tiki need to go into some joint business building me a rig for home!
I bought an ULTRA ZR1 from ez trading computers and my cpu benchmark score using passmark software is 11,750! Believe me its worth the money since I run automated trading and quite a few indicators. Its the third one down on this page http://tradingcomputersnow.com/all-trading-computers/
Quote from bonchi07:
I bought an ULTRA ZR1 from ez trading computers and my cpu benchmark score using passmark software is 11,750! Believe me its worth the money since I run automated trading and quite a few indicators. Its the third one down on this page http://tradingcomputersnow.com/all-trading-computers/
Quote from LEAPup:
Yes, I mentioned that one in a post above. Also, if you read Scat's comments on the ram, the "ZR1" has 16. He's recommending more ram for what I need to do.
I do need the numerous tick charts, so the need for ram is there. What I've got isn't cutting it. There's actually is a method to my madness.
And Scat, I have an E5520 2.26GHz in the T3500 at home.
Quote from Scataphagos:
E5520 Passmark = 4365, not that bad actually.
As for "lots more RAM"... I was referring to dual-CPU setups... each CPU will want "enough" RAM and not be competing with the other for limited RAM.
There is a single card that supports 8 monitors.
I do not know anything about the card.
Here is a pdf \\\ Matrox
The Matrox M9188 PCIe x16 multi-display Octal graphics card
EDIT : LOL ... it costs more than a good machine
http://www.pcconnection.com/1/1/316...188-e2048f.html
Quote from TIKITRADER:
There is a single card that supports 8 monitors.
I do not know anything about the card.
Here is a pdf \\\ Matrox
The Matrox M9188 PCIe x16 multi-display Octal graphics card
EDIT : LOL ... it costs more than a good machine
http://www.pcconnection.com/1/1/316...188-e2048f.html
Quote from LEAPup:
You bolimomo, and tike could do some amazing stuff with my home rig I'm sure. Do you need my address?
Quote from Bolimomo:
Dang... I wish we live closer.
Quote from LEAPup:
I'll either go with the Dell outlet deal for the money, but it's gotta be able to take the cards to run 8 monitors, or build it.
Quote from Scataphagos:
(I remember seeing a Quadro FX5800, or maybe it was an FX5600, for $7,995!)
Quote from Bolimomo:
I think we have visited that before. If you wait for a good deal from Dell Outlet to grab a T3500, the issue is still how to drive 8 monitors.
T3500 only has 2 PCIe X16 slots. So you would need to get 2 quad cards or 1 octo card. If you go this route you need to price in the video cards.
Quote from Scataphagos:
You wish you live closer to NY? ??
Quote from TIKITRADER:
07-20-11 12:43 PM
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Quote from Scataphagos:
(I remember seeing a Quadro FX5800, or maybe it was an FX5600, for $7,995!)
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I'll take two please
This recent reply in an old thread is interseting in multiple monitor setups
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/2...play-video-card
In the Antec 900 build I have, there is an Asus P5n E SLI MB installed.
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/In...#specifications
I wanted to install six monitors so I had two GeForce 8600 taking up the 2 x PCIe x16 , and one GeForce 8400 take up a pci and it worked well no problems.
For myself, if I really needed the 8 monitors, matching video cards, and I was looking for the 1155 socket, I would probably spend the extra $150 to $200 go for the
ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-R3 LGA 1155 P67 eATX .
One thing I can say... with the ability to support 8 monitors the budget has to be slightly expanded.
Only question is, on any motherboard, making sure the video cards you are interseted in fit side by side in those PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots taking in the size of the heatsinks and fans on some cards.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0358024
With all this said and done... Scat might be able to get two really nice deals on 2 machines for the same price or less.
There are a couple of possible (need to trial-and-error) alternatives if you don't want an expensive motherboard (for >3 PCIe X16 slots) or an expensive quad/octo video card.
1. Mixing PCI and PCIe X16 video cards. It will work only if your video cards are compatible in that configuration. I did use that configuration (2 PCI and 1 PCIe X16) for a while. I think the video card was 5400 FX or something (Nvidia chip). But 5400 stopped working in Windows 7. Which was part of the reasons that I changed out all video cards as I built my new boxes.
The best is if you find the video cards having the same model number but different bus options (PCI, PCIe X16). The likelihood having them work together is high.
Unfortunately though, that you can no longer find new PCI based video cards. Only used ones on eBay or something.
2. Use PCIe X16 (3 slots, 3 dual cards) to drive 6 monitors and add on 2 USB-to-VGA (or DVI) adapters. This configuration works. I have no perceived slowness.
Power Supply Calculator
Use this for your new build to include overclocking and everything you will install.
Takes out the guesswork and get a decent estimate on your build !
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/...culatorlite.jsp
Quote from TIKITRADER:
For myself, if I really needed the 8 monitors, matching video cards, and I was looking for the 1155 socket, I would probably spend the extra $150 to $200 go for the
ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-R3 LGA 1155 P67 eATX .
One thing I can say... with the ability to support 8 monitors the budget has to be slightly expanded.
Only question is, on any motherboard, making sure the video cards you are interseted in fit side by side in those PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots taking in the size of the heatsinks and fans on some cards.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0358024
With all this said and done... Scat might be able to get two really nice deals on 2 machines for the same price or less.
Quote from LEAPup:
This looks to be a solution for an 8 monitor setup http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...5372&CatId=3598
The prices keep adding up though for these two additional monitors though especially with the new mother board needed.
And yes, Scat could buy two of the Dells for less, I agree.
There are advantages of having 2 boxes, and downsides.
The advantage is to have 100% redundancy. If one box goes out, you can trade from the other box with 50% of normal utility.
The downside is having to maintain two identical environments. That includes license fees for the trading apps on two computers instead of one, plus having to replicate your software/trading-setup changes every time you make some improvements.
Quote from Scataphagos:
For a multi-monitor system, you need to have proper proprieties..
#1. How many monitors to run (and allow for future expansion)?
#2. Which video cards? x16s, only... or x16s + x1s.
#3. Which mobo to accommodate those cards?
#4. Which computer has the mobo you need?
Unwise to "buy computer first"... then assume you can get all the monitors you want to run on it.
You've wondered "whether a T3500 can run 8 monitors"? As you have a T3500, you can test it for yourself. (a) Run 2, quad cards, or (b) 2, x16 dualheads + 2, x1 dualheads... as you'd find in the Nvidia Quadro NVS 295s and 450s. Of course if you buy a couple of x1 cards for the test, you'll likely feel compelled to use them.
If you want to run "dualheads on all x16s", then you can't use a Dell.
I'm a trader, not a computer hardware guru.
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I'm wondering if you, bolimomo, and Tikitrader will help me order the parts I need to build a rig AROUND this? http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0293547
I do Agree with Bolimomo and to take that approach.
If I threw together quickly what you asked and shopping just at microcenter this is what comes together for estimated spending.
Everything here is just ideas and not all actual parts you would use based on your needs and how they must be compatible. ( left out a dvd which you need to decide on type)
*Power supply is guess for the the sample
* a 60gb ssd for your needs for OS and programs, again just sample idea.
* i7 2600k
*The only motherboard microcenter sells ( that I am aware of ) that supports 4 video cardsPCI Express 2.0 x16and an 1155 socket as mentioned is the ASUS Maximus IV Extreme. ( as suggested there are other ways around this to achieve 8 monitors )
***VERY Important - also check to see if 4video cards can be lined up side by side in these
slots *****
*Add a HDD storage /data
*Estimating 8 gb memory ( again no idea of your needs )
*OEM system builder Windows 7 64 home/
*dvd player ( simple model or higher end ? ) add $20. for a basic
* 4 low priced video cards ( same used in my build )
_ do keep in mind a lot of fans, and some big ones in that case so sound levels should be considered.
Remember this is nothing more than a throw together sample for the purpose of presenting an estimated price based on your ideas .
You may shop around and find much better prices for parts that you actually need.
I would seriously take Bolimomo's advice and really think about this step by step based on your needs.
check out itemized microcenter list ( not sure if list will stick or delete)
http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx
Grand Total $1,608.27
In this sample take $110.00 off total for mail in rebates
LEAPup,
Try to keep the build from starting to get away from your original plan of a good budget build.
Stay focused on the original plan and set a price zone of what you would like to spend.
From that budget set aside for the new box, you can begin to shop for a prebuilt or have a real good idea of what to purchase in parts for a build.
The list I posted highlights this is no longer your original plan for a new machine.
Maybe take some time and re-think exactly what it is you would like to accomplish. It is very exciting to move forward, just think carefully about the original plan.
Hi guys,
Do you guys have any ideal in term of performance, using i7 2600K processor to built a high end desktop will be better than built a Workstation using Xeon processor with 2 CPU for platform like Multichart ?
Pls allow me to ask this naive question, I'm new to PC building
Thanks in Advance
Obamapips
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8 monitors = 3 air conditioners to keep the room under 100 deg.
Quote from LEAPup:
Thanks.
I'm wondering if you, bolimomo, and Tikitrader will help me order the parts I need to build a rig AROUND this? http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0293547
Did you check out ibuypower.com?
You can get an i7-2600K, 8GB RAM, Gigabyte UD7(?) mobo with 4, x16 slots.. an upgraded Corsair 650W PSU for about $1200. It comes with a basic video card, which you probably won't use... get 4, NVS 295s on eBay for about $30 each.
Guys I appreciate the advice!
I need to stick to the original keep it simple plan.
Quote from obamapips:
Hi guys,
Do you guys have any ideal in term of performance, using i7 2600K processor to built a high end desktop will be better than built a Workstation using Xeon processor with 2 CPU for platform like Multichart ?
Pls allow me to ask this naive question, I'm new to PC building
Thanks in Advance
Obamapips
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Quote from TIKITRADER:
If anyone is interested in a great thread from Multicharts Discussion Forums it was contributed by Bruce DeVault.
Bruce has some excellent knowledge and has contributed great material in different discussions.
In this thread he discusses multiCore and hyperthreading.
This is from 2010.
Thanks Bruce for his contribution in this thread
Bruce DeVault hyperthreading
Quote from LEAPup:
Guys I appreciate the advice!
I need to stick to the original keep it simple plan.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Hey obamapips,
I posted this earlier in the thread regarding Multicharts benefiting from multicore/hyperthreading.
This is from Bruce DeVault on the MC forums.
I think this might really be a price thing in the end . i7 coming in at some excellent prices recently for sure.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Nothing wrong with changing things as you go along.
Sometimes you realize you need something you may have missed in the original idea.
This is a suggestion to write down the original plan in detail, exactly what you had in mind.
Now go over each section of that original idea, write down what you feel needs to change based on new information you come across, and to be the build that will do the job you need.
Compare the cost difference, look for parts compatibility, and check if the changes work for you.
This is really a really important step, as this is where you can sit down with the person who will be hired to build the new rig.
Show him the original and revised ideas.
He may have some terrific advice to build you exactly the machine of your needs.
He can also help you to look at prebuilts that compare to the revised build. ( small fee for his time )
You may find something along that line.
No matter how you go about it, either built or prebuilt, the end result will be an excellent machine performing the tasks you require of it... and have fun
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Hey obamapips,
I posted this earlier in the thread regarding Multicharts benefiting from multicore/hyperthreading.
This is from Bruce DeVault on the MC forums.
I think this might really be a price thing in the end . i7 coming in at some excellent prices recently for sure.
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Yes, it's really a price thing in the end. I don't need a Ferrari when I don't 'really' need one due to the maintenance costs vs what I'm doing. I'd love to have one in computer form, but just don't need a Ferrari when a Corvette Z06 will stomp the average Ferrari at 1/3 of the cost, plus less maintenance, and a 100,000 mile warranty vs. what the Ferrari comes with..........
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Hahaha, well explaination, LEAPup. I agreed with you.
I always told myself F1 driver not nessesary must be an Automobile Engineer...... right ?
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Quote from obamapips:
Hahaha, well explaination, LEAPup. I agreed with you.
I always told myself F1 driver not nessesary must be an Automobile Engineer...... right ?
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Absolutely agree!
Quote from Scataphagos:
Did you check out ibuypower.com?
You can get an i7-2600K, 8GB RAM, Gigabyte UD7(?) mobo with 4, x16 slots.. an upgraded Corsair 650W PSU for about $1200. It comes with a basic video card, which you probably won't use... get 4, NVS 295s on eBay for about $30 each.
) But I couldn't locate the model number or the specs. Is there a link to this box?
Quote from Bolimomo:
This sounds like what would fit perfect for LEAPup. (I want one too!
Ha that's cool!
Here LEAPup, your birthday present. (Minus singing)
Total = $1281, that is with Windows 7 Ultimate and Office. If you have your own software, knock off $200 ==> $1081.
4 x PCIe x16 ready for 4 dual cards... 8 monitors
i7-2600k processor
8 GB memory
500 GB hard disk (should be enough?)
3 year warranty... pretty good!
Thanks Scat and Bolimomo! This looks to be just what the doctor ordered!
I'm sure I can get my computer guy to add the four 295 cards pretty reasonably. Or, is this something I can do myself?
Quote from LEAPup:
Thanks Scat and Bolimomo! This looks to be just what the doctor ordered!
I'm sure I can get my computer guy to add the four 295 cards pretty reasonably. Or, is this something I can do myself?
Experienced something strange.
The bios screen disappeared. When rebooting/ starting up it was completely gone.
Could not access bios in any way.
I followed some clear rtc instructions on the motherboard guide.
*First I had to disconnect power
* disconnect all SATA deveices.
*disconnected all monitors except for one.
*removed one video card that was blocking the onboard battery to remove it.
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Removed onboard battery.
Moved the rtc jumper to pins 2-3 from 2-1 for about 10 seconds.
Moved jumper back to pins 1-2.
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Plugged in and booted up.
I was able to get into Bios, then had to change date/time back
powered down again .
Connected the ssd, powered up and booted again, this time the ability to enter the bios screen was visible and then windows opened fine.
Try shutting down and restarting multiple times and all is great.
Have no idea why the bios screen became inaccessible in the first place, but all is fixed now.
clear
Now to figure out how to disable that annoying pop up when restarting machine...
" No Hardisk Detected ! "
I know there is a way, I remember somewhere I read it.
Quote from Scataphagos:
Just plug them in and run the driver.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Now to figure out how to disable that annoying pop up when restarting machine...
" No Hardisk Detected ! "
I know there is a way, I remember somewhere I read it.
As for the tower, here's what I built with some help
Intel Z68 Core i5/i7 Configurator
1 x Case ( NZXT Gamma Gaming Case - Black )
0 x Case Lighting ( None )
0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction ( None )
0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion ( None )
1 x Processor ( IntelŽ Core i7-2600K Processor (4x 3.40GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
0 x iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( None )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1155 & 1156] - [Free Upgrade] Standard 120mm Fan )
1 x Memory ( 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1333 Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand )
1 x Video Card ( AMD Radeon HD 6450 - 1GB )
1 x Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA )
1 x Motherboard ( [3-Way SLI] Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 -- 4x PCI-E 2.0 x16, 2x Gb LAN, 6x USB 3.0 )
0 x Intel Smart Response Technology ( None )
1 x Power Supply ( 850 Watt -- CoolerMaster RS850-AMBAJ3-US - ** Back2School Sale! ** FREE Upgrade to CoolerMaster 1000W )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
1 x Data Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
1 x Optical Drive ( 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVDąR/ąRW + CD-R/RW Drive - [Lightscribe Technology] Black )
0 x 2nd Optical Drive ( None )
0 x Flash Media Reader / Writer ( None )
0 x Meter Display ( None )
0 x USB Expansion ( None )
1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
1 x Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Professional + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-bit )
1 x Keyboard ( iBUYPOWER USB Keyboard - Black )
1 x Mouse ( iBUYPOWER Internet Mouse )
0 x Monitor ( None )
0 x 2nd Monitor ( None )
0 x Speaker System ( None )
0 x Headset ( None )
0 x Video Camera ( None )
0 x Case Engraving Service ( None )
1 x Warranty ( Standard Warranty Service - Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support )
1 x Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )
Let me know what you guys think.
$1,345 total Beats $2,400!
Quote from LEAPup:
I'm configuring it as bolimomo has above, and have my debit card out. Lol The only questions:
Is 800 watts enough for eight 22" monitors plus TONS of studies I'll have running all at once?
..........
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Here is a Power supply calculator.
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/...culatorlite.jsp
Punch in the pieces you are interested in and you can get a good idea of what is needed. I think this one only takes in account for one video card. Look at card specs and add that amount for each additional. Example...Say each video card needs 100watt for 4 total cards. The calculator estimates based on a single card.
Add additional 300 watts to the total wattage needed of the entire build for remaining 3 cards.
from the link. for everything besides the power backup. Any ideas on that?
Quote from LEAPup:
Is 800 watts enough for eight 22" monitors plus TONS of studies I'll have running all at once?
Do I need an SSD? I'm looking for speed, and efficiency. I observed a video clip of an SSD blowing away the mechanical alternative, and it caught my attention.
Quote from LEAPup:
As for the tower, here's what I built with some help
Intel Z68 Core i5/i7 Configurator
1 x Case ( NZXT Gamma Gaming Case - Black )
.....
Let me know what you guys think.
$1,345 total Beats $2,400!
Quote from LEAPup:
I'm needing 1000 watts to run eight 22" monitors with the above setup I was helped with putting together? It sounds like it unless I plugged in the wrong information.
Btw, I can go with this system above rig, 8 21.5" Asus 1920x1080 thin bezel monitors @ $129 each, plus the couple hundred I have in the Ergotron quad monitor stands I bought extra of at a discount, and 4 295 cards = $2940
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Have no idea why the bios screen became inaccessible in the first place, but all is fixed now.
Quote from Bolimomo:
RE: Power Supply
In your list, you had already configured a 1000W power supply. (You bought the 800W but they threw in a free upgrade to 1000W. So you will have 1000W.) This is probably about as high as one can have. On my older HP box, it only used a 350W and had worked fine for 3 PCI/PCIeX16 cards for a few years.
Also: you don't power the 8 monitors with this power supply. Each monitor has its own power supply and each needs to be plugged in to the 110V circuit (the wall) separately. How many monitors you use is irrelevant to the power supply rating used for your computer. The only thing that affects it is the graphics card model and how many of them. Since you will be using the low-end dual cards, their power requirements are almost insignificant. You can get yours going at 500W - 600W. 800W if you want to be more comfortable. 1000W is absolutely worry free.
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LEAPup that build looks really great but what about all the video cards ?
It looks like you selected two cards ( not sure if both AMD Radeon HD 6450 ) supporting 4 monitors. Are you adding another two cards for 8 monitors ?
GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 motherboard specs
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pr...spx?pid=3847#ov
Also you can save on the additional audio and lan cards as the board is already equipped unless you are looking for something different in audio
Quote from TIKITRADER:
It looks like you selected two cards ( not sure if both AMD Radeon HD 6450 ) supporting 4 monitors. Are you adding another two cards for 8 monitors ?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 motherboard specs
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pr...spx?pid=3847#ov
I see no reference to dual head at the link. Do\can you run one VGA and one DVI?
Quote from Bolimomo:Me I use 4 of these simple EVGA 8400 GS dual head cards. EVGA-512-P2-N738-LR-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics
Quote from Bolimomo:
This motherboard should take 4 small PCIx X16 video cards fine. But it can't take 4 of the video cards like what you use though because yours have big cooling fans that take up the space of the next slot.
Quote from Bolimomo:
RE: Power Supply
In your list, you had already configured a 1000W power supply. (You bought the 800W but they threw in a free upgrade to 1000W. So you will have 1000W.) This is probably about as high as one can have. On my older HP box, it only used a 350W and had worked fine for 3 PCI/PCIeX16 cards for a few years.
Also: you don't power the 8 monitors with this power supply. Each monitor has its own power supply and each needs to be plugged in to the 110V circuit (the wall) separately. How many monitors you use is irrelevant to the power supply rating used for your computer. The only thing that affects it is the graphics card model and how many of them. Since you will be using the low-end dual cards, their power requirements are almost insignificant. You can get yours going at 500W - 600W. 800W if you want to be more comfortable. 1000W is absolutely worry free.
RE: SSD
You will experience a boost in performance in the following tasks/events:
1. Computer boot up
2. Starting of your application software
3. Reading/writing data to the disk by your trading app
For #1 and #2, you typically only do once a day. Not a good justification for getting a SSD.
For #3: if your trading apps constantly doing data read/write from the disk (not the network), then SSD should help you. If not a whole lot, then SSD can be skipped.
), will you skip sending me a bill for this?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
LEAPup that build looks really great but what about all the video cards ?
It looks like you selected two cards ( not sure if both AMD Radeon HD 6450 ) supporting 4 monitors. Are you adding another two cards for 8 monitors ?
GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 motherboard specs
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pr...spx?pid=3847#ov
Also you can save on the additional audio and lan cards as the board is already equipped unless you are looking for something different in audio
Quote from Bolimomo:
LEAPup bought a higher priced motherboard to get 4 PCIe X16 slots. Should make the money worth and use 4 dual cards.
I am an advocate in using 4 x dual head cards (inexpensive) than 2 x quad cards (expensive). 2 supporting reasons:
1. Lower cost in replacement if one goes out
2. Smaller impact during the down cycle of one card (2 monitors out instead of 4 monitors out)
The NVS 295 will work fine.
Me I use 4 of these simple EVGA 8400 GS dual head cards. (Now $19.99 as new... I bought mine around $39.95). They work fine.
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-512-P2-N...s/dp/B0011FKI3M
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07-24-11 04:52 PM
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Quote from Bolimomo:Me I use 4 of these simple EVGA 8400 GS dual head cards. EVGA-512-P2-N738-LR-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics
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I see no reference to dual head at the link. Do\can you run one VGA and one DVI?
Jack
I am running an 8400 with dual video in the other build I have no problems along with two 8600 cards supporting a total of six monitors
Quote from LEAPup:
re: video cards. I'm adding four Nvidia 295 cards in the four available 2.0 16x slots. They're running $30-35 each on ebay.
Let me know what you think.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I am running an 8400 with dual video in the other build I have no problems along with two 8600 cards supporting a total of six monitors
Quote from Bolimomo:
I have no direct experience with the Quadro NVS 295 cards. I know Scataphagos loves them. I think they are a higher grade product line then the GeForce line. Quadro is designed for graphics design and CAD processing. GeForce is more for gaming and general purpose. To me they don't affect me (2d charts) that much. I had never ventured down that path.
Getting Quadro NVS 295 for $35 is a good deal.
NVS 295 has 2 DisplayPorts and each can drive a 2560x1600 resolution. (Very high). So if you have a 8 of those big 30-inch Apple monitors you can get them to run very darn well!
But I think you have the monitor types that take only DVI input, not DisplayPort. If so you would need the DisplayPort to DVI-D adaptors, 2 for each card. If you buy the cards from eBay, make sure the sellers include the adaptors (were they priced in?)! If you buy these adaptors elsewhere, they would cost more than what you paid for the card!
Quote from LEAPup:
I've found these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814133275 but they're alot more than $35.
If a Ferrari comes on a fire sale, sure...
Quote from Runningbear:
TIKITRADER,
Once you've got your machine up and running, can you post some feedback on boot up times and also the quietness of the machine. I'm thinking of upgrading to an SSD drive and a silent cooler to reduce the hum of my machine. The Coolmaster cooler looks like good value.
thanks,
Runningbear
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I could trim the 3 seconds off the total time due to that "no disk" search. I have heard of better bootup times, but that is what I have for now.
Quote from Bolimomo:
In your CMOS setup, how is the boot priority set up?
Going back to how you can lose pci slots to video cards I will post two images of my setup that shows this.
I don't even have some of the bigger cards. They can take up a lot of MB space.
Lose the pci also just below this middle video card
Quote from Bolimomo:
Yeah. That's why I said if you get NVS 295 for $35 that's a really good deal.
You know... for your purpose I think you will do fine with GeForce 8400 GS card ($19.99 new) x 4.
Remember: you wanted to buy a Ferrari to drive to get groceries...
He DID build an ibuypower rig for me with the i7-2600k cpu, a 1000 watt power supply, water cooled (I really don't need water cooled imo unless you guys say otherwise), 1TB, ssd, 4 2.0 x16's, etc., for $1,067 without the cards at his price, looks like I'm going to hit the buy button Tuesday unless you guys know better. He wants $150 to install the cards, and make sure the system is running correctly.
Quote from LEAPup:
My computer "guru," former dell builder, and owner of a gaming cafe and repair business, told be that the 295 cards will be the way to go. He wasn't happy at all with the 8400 gs cards as he said he had bad experiences with them. He said they'd be perfect for my NON 3D neccesary charting/data, but said I'd be happier with the 295's. Guess I need to hook him and scat up as they both seem to think alike.
I can't beat $129each for 8 21'5" lcd backlight monitors plus the little bit I paid for the 2 quad Ergotron stands when I had the office setup built.
I'm always open to suggestions though.
Quote from LEAPup:
water cooled (I really don't need water cooled imo unless you guys say otherwise),
Updated BIOS to v. 1850 just now. See how well this goes.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I myself don't want a water cooled gadget (more component, more failure)... if the water pipe leaks down the road... it's your computer...
But ibuypower.com is giving out one to you. That's why I left it in there. It's your call. You can certainly take it out.
1000W is absolutely overcooked. But it's okay. Just no need to buy more wattage.
$150 to put in the 4 cards? I thought he was going to charge you $150 to put a system together from parts?!?! Now he takes your $150 just the same, without the harder work? Oh, yeah... he took our input and punched them in again at ibuypower.com for you. That's gotta worth his time. Anyway, it's your money. Spend it.
Just got off the phone with mr. computer. lol
Said he'd do the cards for free. That helps
He wants to build systems for several others in my office, and maybe that's where the "free" card installation is coming from?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Yes when I calculated my build it was something like 400 watts total with one vid card. I added 200 for two additional cards and have room to go with the 850 w.
Quote from LEAPup:
"... I think Scat is right about the power supply. 800-850 max?
Quote from LEAPup:
I'm not finding the correct cards on ebay.
This is probably closer: http://cgi.ebay.com/256MB-DELL-NVID...=item27b8f781a6
Quote from Scataphagos:
500-600W is plenty for a trading rig... even with 4 video cards.
Quote from Scataphagos:
500-600W is plenty for a trading rig... even with 4 video cards.
LEAPup... save yourself money and pop in the video cards yourself.
They install in just a simple, line up tabs, gentle push in, and a click.
Look at these images and it should be simple to follow.
Then just take the driver disk and insert it. Install the drivers. As long as the cards are the same you only insert one disk and install. The drivers will be the same for all the cards and will work. No need to install the disk four times for four cards... again as long as all the cards are the same.
It is very easy for yourself to do. Maybe you can use the saved money to have the tech guy do other work that is necessary, or for the new computer support you may need in the beginning.
Also a note: I do not need additional power for these cards I used.
If you have cards that require additional power it is also simple. Just take the power leads for the cards from the power supply and clip them on. That is it. Many leads on P/S are now labeled.
insert card
OCZ Firmware update for the Agility3 SSD
Instructions for updating to 2.09 FIRMWARE ONLY
This only applies to "3" series drives - Vertex3, Agility3, Solid3
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...ll=1#post652679
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Asus P8P67 Pro Rev 3 Updates available here
http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/In...EV_31/#download
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Hi TIKI,
Well explaination TIKI, I learn a lot with all your pictures.......
Btw, after installation, how do we know we installed the latest driver ?
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It is very easy for yourself to do. Maybe you can use the saved money to have the tech guy do other work that is necessary, or for the new computer support you may need in the beginning.
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[B]Start/Control panel/Device manager/display adapters/update
Thank you TIKI....
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Correction: Strike out the above.
Use the saved money to send 1 case of Corona to tiki, 1 case of (whatever-he-likes) to Scataphagos, and 2 cases of Corona to Boli.
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Hi guys,
Do you guys have any ideal in term of performance, using i7 2600K processor to built a high end desktop will be better than built a Workstation using Xeon processor with 2 CPU for platform like Multichart ?
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[B]I know I posted to this already but there was a reply on the MC forums that you may be interestd in.
This is from Stan Bokov at MC staff. These guys at TSSupport are really great. They post constantly throughout the day answering tons of questions.
If you are not in the discussion forums at Multicharts you should start to read all you can.
http://www.multicharts.com/discussion/
Thx, TIKI, I read it in MC forum.
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I had some high write issues when using the OCZ SSD for browsers.
I spoke to the techs over at OCZ and they reccomended upgraded to the latest firmware for the SSD.
Also posts I have read around in forums my experience was not unique.
Others were speaking of the upgrade in firmware can resolve these issues.
So first I needed to findout what firmware I had on the ssd.
Start/control panel/ device manager/ disk drives/ OCZ Agilty/right click and open properties/details tab/property/ hardware ID
I had v 2.06 and needed to update to 2.09
First an iso file from the OCZ site had to be installed on a USB stick
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...ll=1#post643350
Then enter the bios settings and boot from the USB stick.
You cannot upgrade the firmware directly to the ssd if the OS is on the SSD. The SSD is not selected for boot and the boot order must be the USB first with the iso file.
Once booted follow these instructions
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...ll=1#post643363
that I have previously posted.
Follow all instructions until upgrade is complete and a boot from windows can be done.
Go back to the properties of the SSD that I showed in beginning of post and check the hardware id for the firmware version.
Successfully upgraded to v. 2.09
I installed a small fan to circulate air conditioning a little better in the room.
CPU temps have dropped quite a few . It is running super smooth. Coolmaster hyper cooler is doing its job well !
Just for fun here is a Jing video of basic default Multicharts 7. It is the two default workspaces with six charts each, and indicators on each chart.
I will close and reopen Multicharts a couple times so you can see how quickly the task is done.
Multicharts is very fast to launch with this build.
Calculate IOPS in a storage array
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/da...rage-array/2182
Benchmarking
Major Geeks list
http://majorgeeks.com/downloads4.html
Understanding Basic RAID Definitions for
Commonly Used Types of RAID
http://www.recover-raid.com/RAID_understand.html#R0
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LEAPup... save yourself money and pop in the video cards yourself.
They install in just a simple, line up tabs, gentle push in, and a click.
Look at these images and it should be simple to follow.
Then just take the driver disk and insert it. Install the drivers. As long as the cards are the same you only insert one disk and install. The drivers will be the same for all the cards and will work. No need to install the disk four times for four cards... again as long as all the cards are the same.
It is very easy for yourself to do. Maybe you can use the saved money to have the tech guy do other work that is necessary, or for the new computer support you may need in the beginning.
Also a note: I do not need additional power for these cards I used.
If you have cards that require additional power it is also simple. Just take the power leads for the cards from the power supply and clip them on. That is it. Many leads on P/S are now labeled.
and make sure I'm putting the cards in right.
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Came home from a short beach trip, and see this thread gets better.
I'm going to order the cards tonight, and do this myself for the experience.
The bottom video card cost me two sata 2 connections . There are 3 total, sata 2 ports and one is currently being used for dual front case sata connections.
Everything else from what I remember is clear.
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For #3: if your trading apps constantly doing data read/write from the disk (not the network), then SSD should help you. If not a whole lot, then SSD can be skipped.
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leapUP
Just to be clear, are you going with the Quardo NVS 295s cards? The reason for my query is the issue of dual vs single slot cards as mentioned up thread. The ENGT430 is a half-height card, however, the heatsink does stick up some, so the card is explicitly a double-slot card and youll want to make sure you have space for it. The Quardo NVS 295 is a single slot card and space won't be an issue.
As a sidebar, TIKITRADER; When you installed the ENGT430 into the lowest slot on the motherboard (video card 3), do you feel as though you still have access to all the pin headers under the heatsink (whether you need to utilize them or not) they must be damn close to those fins.
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How does Lightspeed process it's data?. Do you think an SSD may help make it work faster?
SM
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How does Lightspeed process it's data?. Do you think an SSD may help make it work faster?
I have been trying to have a new build for the last two weeks and initially it seemed like all I had to do was pick the parts, put them together and BHAM!!!. However, since I started researching parts, it's made it a little more complicated. Did I mention I suffer from OCD .
Anyway, I will put down my parts here, and would be grateful if Tiki, Scataphagos, Boli and the rest could throw in their expertise.
Here's a little about my trading. Majority of my trades are day trades and I tend to look for longer moves, rather than scalp. However, occasionally I will scalp, if need be. I use the 5-min charts and enter/exit using the 1-min charts.
For the system I want to build, I will initially be using it with 4 monitor, with the aim of expanding it to 6, if need be. I would like to keep the budget at about $600-800 (excluding monitor, mouse, keyboard and any software)
Tiki, thanks for starting such a great post that I think will help many.
Btw, those Corona's await in barrel loaded with ice, so hope you guys can make it down to Florida
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For the system I want to build, I will initially be using it with 4 monitor, with the aim of expanding it to 6, if need be. I would like to keep the budget at about $600-800 (excluding monitor, mouse, keyboard and any software)
Here's a Gigabyte Z68 motherboard with three PCI-E x16 slots for $100:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813128495
i5 2500k - $179.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0354589
( you can call them when you see a good price somewhere also and they will work with you )
some i5 bundles (edit : closet microcenter to you is Ga. Some deals are in store only. Have friends there ? I would still call and try. They are very good there with customer service )
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication...fc#/a905f0fc/28
...nice stuff Boli and dcraig
I am in Sarasota area when I am in Fla. ... close enough ? hahaha
Wow!!!. Man, you guys mean some serious business. I went out for dinner and when I get back, there's all this info. Great stuff!.
The following is what I have decided on. Any advice is appreciated.
Motherboard:
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Processor:
Firstly, that $179 deal is amazing!!!. Thanks for that.
Secondly, the i5 2500 seems to be $30 cheaper than i5 2500k. I'm not planning to overclock for 2 reasons. 1) I'm not IT savvy enough to pull it off , 2) I don't think I need the overclocked speed. So do you guys think i should still go for the 2500k (I think I will for that price difference, who knows what happens if i'm having a slow day )
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RAM:
Once again, I will be getting 2x4GB, BUT can I get away with 1x4GB?
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Hard drive (Hybrid):
I found this hard drive which is a hybrid. The only company that makes this is Seagate. It is 500GB SATA (7200 rpm) + 4GB SSD. It's a little pricey, but if it makes a difference than I will get it. Otherwise, I will probably get a 500GB for now.
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Hard drive (the cheaper option):
The above is a 2TB. The one I would get is a 500GB for $34.99.
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Video card:
I would get two of these initially. Do you think it's better to just get two for now and then buy another if needed later?. These cards have another $10 OFF, so I could get it for $39.99/card.
What if the same make is not available later and I used another video card, do you think that would cause problems?
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JFYI:
I saw this video card where 1 connection splits 4 ways, so really, one card would be able to run 4 monitor and two cards would run 8!!!
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Processor:
...
Secondly, the i5 2500 seems to be $30 cheaper than i5 2500k. I'm not planning to overclock for 2 reasons. 1) I'm not IT savvy enough to pull it off
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Hard drive (Hybrid):
I found this hard drive which is a hybrid. The only company that makes this is Seagate. It is 500GB SATA (7200 rpm) + 4GB SSD. It's a little pricey, but if it makes a difference than I will get it. Otherwise, I will probably get a 500GB for now.
For now, this is what I have. I still have not decided on the power supply, fan etc. Suggestions are welcomed. In regards to the power supply, would 850W be overkill. I thought i'd go for 850W, just incase I did end up running all 6 monitors (3 GPUs).
Guys, once again, thanks for posting all the information and promotions. I think I'll be able to put this up within budget !!!.
Once I get all the parts, I'll post pics of the system being put together, just like Tiki did, if that helps anyone. I'll also report on the speed and stability of the system.
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Once I get all the parts, I'll post pics of the system being put together, just like Tiki did, if that helps anyone. I'll also report on the speed and stability of the system.
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Video card:
I would get two of these initially. Do you think it's better to just get two for now and then buy another if needed later?. These cards have another $10 OFF, so I could get it for $39.99/card.
What if the same make is not available later and I used another video card, do you think that would cause problems?
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ddr2 or ddr3 ?
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I don't have any experience with this model hybrid.
It is on the expensive side. You could get an ssd on sale ( for OS ) , and an hdd together for close to the same price
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RAM:
.....
Once again, I will be getting 2x4GB, BUT can I get away with 1x4GB?
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Video card:
.....
I would get two of these initially. Do you think it's better to just get two for now and then buy another if needed later?. These cards have another $10 OFF, so I could get it for $39.99/card.
What if the same make is not available later and I used another video card, do you think that would cause problems?
I am so hooked on this deal, but it's an instore pick-up (nearest store is in GA). I have to call them to see if they will mail it out for a small fee (free would be nice ).
I have tried Amazon for a price match, but they can't do it on this item. Do you guys know anywhere that does price match?
***Note: If this is bought as a bundle, you get another $40 off your mobo!!!
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I got the mobo and CPU. I have a friend picking it up for me. Guys, thanks for posting that deal. It saved me about $75.
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This processor and MoBo bundle looks like a really good deal!
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I'm not sure, though it says DDR2. Is that a bad thing
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I got the mobo and CPU. I have a friend picking it up for me. Guys, thanks for posting that deal. It saved me about $75.
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I see you went for the K
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Have you firmed up on the other components?
Doesn't i5 2500 (without K) offer better on-chip graphics?
Quote from Sam Morgan:
The i5 2500 was actually more expensive than the i5 2500k, so it was an easy choice. Only if life was like this more often
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Not at all. You can use ddr2 on that mb. ..........
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Have you firmed up on the other components?
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I need to clarify I was speaking of the graphics card memory.
Independent of the MB ram.
I did not intend to make you think system ddr2 memory can be used in this board in place of ddr3 system memory.
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2011 best gaming cards ( not needed ) including a best budget list grapics cards
with the 9500 making the list ( looks like you already have an excellent price on this card )
http://www.gamingreviewguide.com/be...graphics-cards/
Great review of the EVGA 9500 gt with some very good benchmark results
NVIDIA GT9500.
Tiki, nice video. That's the GPU I'm looking at for now. It's about $40-50 and seems like it'll more than do the job. Would you settle for this or is there something similar out there for a better price? Amazing how prices on these drop so fast; it used to be about $120 when it first came out
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That is a real great card... No question, and the benchmarks for the geforce 9500 gt show some really decent results for the price.
This card for the $10. off additional discount is a nice bargain. You posted $39.99 a card .
I looked around and could not find a better price on the card.
Nice price , great card.
Follow Boli's advice also and go for 3 of the same cards ( whatever card you decide on ) if your intentions are to eventually install six monitors. As for the sale on this card, even if the other card will sit around a while, for this price and have matching cards this is a good deal.
I will look for some comparable but I don't think I can match the 3 card price.
The only thing I would do is call over to a Microcenter and ask if the 9500 video cards will fit all 3 PCI Express 2.0 in this board ( ASUS
P8P67-M Pro R3 LGA 1155 P67 mATX Intel Motherboard ) before making a video card purchase. I cannot tell but 2 of the pcie slots look very close.
9500 card size
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The only thing I would do is call over to a Microcenter and ask if the 9500 video cards will fit all 3 PCI Express 2.0 in this board ( ASUS
P8P67-M Pro R3 LGA 1155 P67 mATX Intel Motherboard )
Quote from Sam Morgan:
........if you have any suggestion for any of the other components, I'm very open to suggestions (esp. if there's a good deal going
. IMO, with your choice of cpu I wouldn't consider any less than a SATA III 6Gb/s SSD. Then add a storage drive (spinner) of the capacity to meet your needs. With your choice of MB and CPU it will be very easy to create bottle neck and give back some of your available performance. I also believe (I think Boli mentioned) 8 Gigs of RAM would be my minimum if I was running Win-7. Sharpen up your pencil and shop around, and you should be well under budget. I built a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T (sorry guys .... Go BLACK and never go back ) this spring and it preforms beyond all my expectations. I can't imagine the speed of these latest Intels.
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I don't see any reason why they wouldn't fit. Per the EVGA specs and the pictures, each card conforms to 1 card width with the heat sink and fan. They should be all right.
Quote from Sam Morgan:
but if you have Amy suggestion for any of the other components, I very open to suggestions (esp. if there's a good deal going
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Sam, I know this wasn't directed at me, but I have to put my 2 cents in on that hard drive
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I use an Antec 300. $60 on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Antec-Three-H...l/dp/B000GQMHBI
Tiki used a higher end Antec box. They are both big. Leaving a lot of empty space inside the chassis unused (probably would never be used).
Maybe you can shop for a smaller chassis (make sure to have room for 1 hard drive and 1 DVD-RW drive... though most of them would).
Powersupply: Coolmaster or Corsair or Antec. There are others. 600W to 850W should be what you need. I don't think you need any higher.
Extra CPU fan... I tend to think the one comes with the Intel chip is enough unless you overclock your CPU, or you anticipate that the CPU will be busy crunching numbers all day. If you want one, CoolMaster makes pretty good models. But make sure the extra headsink/fans fit inside your chassis.
Quote from Went Fishing:
I built a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T (sorry guys .... Go BLACK and never go back
Quote from TIKITRADER:
You can save on a case. I chose to go very quiet and payed up for that.
You can get a case with lots of airflow and set all fans to low to reduce noise and get good cooling. Just check the cpu and mb temps to make sure the fan speeds are doing their job and adjust as needed.
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Hi TIKI,
Since your casing is "Silence Type" do you have any problem with the inflow air. Because the air only flow in through a tiny hole at the side of front cover.
Here is an illustration P183
intel p67
A closer look at Intel P67 and Sandy Bridge
http://www.myce.com/review/intel-sa...Sandy-Bridge-2/
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I will look for some comparable but I don't think I can match the 3 card price.
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I Agree, I'm sure they'll be fine. TIKITRADER, your cards are FAT!
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If I strictly use this box for trading (2D charts) I would even go for a lower end video card (EVGA 8400 GS), $19.99 each. But it's up to you.
Or you can compete with LEAPup for the next used 3 Quadro NVS 295 cards coming on to EBay.
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IMO, with your choice of cpu I wouldn't consider any less than a SATA III 6Gb/s SSD. Then add a storage drive (spinner) of the capacity to meet your needs.
With your choice of MB and CPU it will be very easy to create bottle neck and give back some of your available performance.
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I would love to have this, but it would surely throw me off budget. Also, how bad a bottle neck do you think it would create?. Would I notice the difference?
) and have to run off to Fry's and hurry up and pick it up you may pay more, lol. Rarely have I seen a case on newegg with free shipping (to big I guess). So with your MB/CPU deal, my math says you'd be around $500 right now..... And all you need is a case, power supply and video cards. I'm getting tired of saying it BUT I bought 4 NVS 295s on ebay for $15.00 ea... As Boli told me when I got them, the cables were ALMOST that much. Keep shopping, Sam i M
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This is what I put in my box, it's a Rosewill full tower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16817182200
Rosewill cases
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1&name=Rosewill
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Sam
This is what I put in my box, it's a Rosewill full tower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16817182200
Rosewill cases
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1&name=Rosewill
Quote from Sam Morgan:
I would love to have this, but it would surely throw me off budget. Also, how bad a bottle neck do you think it would create?. Would I notice the difference?
What figure are you looking for on disk activity to determine if you need an ssd?
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I had reviewed your config. Looks like you made a few different choices (e.g. Windows' edition and 1 more data hard disk). It looks good. Have fun!
RE: I'm sure I can get my computer guy to add the four 295 cards pretty reasonably. Or, is this something I can do myself?
Do you know how to use a small screw driver and hook up cables? If not, pay the guy $100/hour to do it.
Seriously though... the challenge would be to use the driver software to set things up.
Remember to use only 1 dual card first at the beginning. Once you have configured correctly for the first and second monitors, then shut down the computer and add one the second video card (to hook up and test the third and forth monitors), and so on.
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Those MoBo makers spaced out the PCIe X16 slots for good reasons.
Wanted to try something out just for fun.
I added a spare fan to the cpu cooler for a push / pull effect .
I was looking to see if it would make a noticeable difference in temps.
Temps basically steady at 25 Celcius with the machine under normal use.
A decrease of 2 Celsius CPU so far from last temp posting. That's not so bad if someone is looking for a little extra out of their cooler.
Fan is attached with a molex but I would go with a CH fan1 for the fan control from the MB if this was permanent.
I have to run this for days to see the longer results
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What figure are you looking for on disk activity to determine if you need an ssd?
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Boli, I thought you made enough dough trading. Now you're trying to get LEAPup and me into a bidding war. You're the seller on eBay right?. Admit it!
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Well I am trying to gauge the level of disk activities.
If you look at the specs of a SSD... let me take Intel X25-M model SSDSA2MH080G1 for example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820167005
The drive is capable of
Sustained Sequential Read Up to 250MB/sec
Sustained Sequential Write up to 70MB/sec
Now if you compare it to your own trading/charting activities... If you constantly hit something like 10 MB/sec, then I think a SSD would probably be benefitial. On the other hand, if you rarely see anything over 100 KB/sec (taking it to the opposite end of the spectrum), then having a SSD for trading probably is not noticeable. I hope this makes sense.
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Tiki, looks like they sold out on that deal, so the cheapest I can get it for now is $50. Hence, comparable may help if you happen to see anything that catches the eye.
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Not for comparison just a review,specs and good info for tests done on the ssd installed in this build
http://pro-clockers.com/storage/199...ve.html?start=1
! When I built my box (around January '11) Crucial was the ONLY company selling SSDs with the SATA III 6Gb/s Interface (on Newegg).
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Or you can compete with LEAPup for the next used 3 Quadro NVS 295 cards coming on to EBay.
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Boli, Now you're trying to get LEAPup and me into a bidding war. You're the seller on eBay right?. Admit it!
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I think you have me confused with someone else...
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Ok Ok Ok,,,,, "......Not for comparison," Yea right, ,,, Don't rub it in
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820148357
After some research, I have decided to go with HDD, as it is better value for the money. The SSD would be a fraction faster, not enough to interfere with my trading, and surely not justifiable to pay for.
In time it will get cheaper and maybe with some new technology, it may be worth buying it then. Only time will tell.
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Trade Alert: Bolimomo is LONG Quadro NVS 295 Video Cards !!!!!
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Memory: Checked!
Got a decent price on the RAM after having done some thorough research. It's compatible with Intel and AMD. The price for 2 sticks: $64.99 (no tax, free shipping).
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Nice ! Sam you kicking some serious ***. Looks like a terrific build coming this way.
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No confusion here, my friend.
Trade Alert: Bolimomo is LONG Quadro NVS 295 Video Cards !!!!!
Quote from Went Fishing:
No confusion here, my friend.
Trade Alert: Bolimomo is LONG Quadro NVS 295 Video Cards !!!!!
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Nice ! Sam you kicking some serious ***. Looks like a terrific build coming this way.
)) for ~$100 each (free shipping). They say they are refurbished, but the packaging looked like it hadn't been opened before. 21.5" HD
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- HHD: I have decided to go with HHD, rather than SSD, due to the price not offsetting the benefits.
As for my monitors, I picked these up (x4) on eBay (whilst Boli wasn't paying attention
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Here's a little about my trading. Majority of my trades are day trades and I tend to look for longer moves, rather than scalp. However, occasionally I will scalp, if need be. I use the 5-min charts and enter/exit using the 1-min charts.
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I'd be glad if it come to anything close to yours. Items remaining:
- GPU: (Btw, i'm thinking of getting 2 for now, unless it's paramount that I get all 3 now). What was the reason about buying the same make/GPU?. Worst case scenarion, could I get away with something similar/better later on (if and when I need it)?. I have firmly decided on: http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-nVidia-G...12397867&sr=8-1 , but am hoping the price will come down a little in the next few days.
- Power supply: Struggling on wheather to get 750W or 850W (may be running 3 x GPU)
- HHD: I have decided to go with HHD, rather than SSD, due to the price not offsetting the benefits.
- Fan/cooler: The CPU comes with a fan and I think that should be sufficient, since I have no intentions of overclocking (I'll leave that to you smart guys
- Case: With 2/3 GPU and higher than normal height RAM, would you go for a mid size or full size?. I have not looked into the casing, so input is appreciated.
As for my monitors, I picked these up (x4) on eBay (whilst Boli wasn't paying attention
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Is your trading style similar LEAPup?
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Aren't these the same cards for $50?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...1742&CatId=3669
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Nevermind. It's a $15 rebate. Lol!
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I'd be glad if it come to anything close to yours. Items remaining:
- GPU: (Btw, i'm thinking of getting 2 for now, unless it's paramount that I get all 3 now). What was the reason about buying the same make/GPU?. ...
- Power supply: Struggling on wheather to get 750W or 850W (may be running 3 x GPU)
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About those monitors (model # ?), I have a similar model with that type of stand. Mine DO NOT have mounting holes/thread inserts in the rear to mount on the racks often seen and discussed here on ET. I can't see if those do but if your thinking of a rack mount, take a good look at that. Many times I believe they are returned because of this, then resold at a discount. GREAT DEAL!!
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As for my monitors, I picked these up (x4) on eBay (whilst Boli wasn't paying attention
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It's going to be a mad rig !
Same drivers for all cards keeps it simple. Same image quality as long as screens are the same.
Image quality/ performance can stand out some when a card does not run as well one you are happy with. ( if specs differ )
power consumption.
newegg power specs here...
also find the individual power spec per card for additional ones to add
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814130395
System Requirements
Minimum of a 350 Watt power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 18 Amp Amps.)
Minimum 400 Watt for SLI mode system.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 22 Amp Amps.)
I'm wrong on that one I'm sure.
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I noticed the 350 watt p/s requirement. Does that mean he would need 1400 watts to run four of these?
This is a good article on power consumption graphics cards/ power supplies
How Much Power Does Your Graphics Card Need?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...power,2122.html
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from the article.... page 6
Actual Power Consumption And Current Requirements ...
Lets take the Radeon HD 4870 as an example. AMD states 500 watt power supply as a requirement on the packaging. According to the actual measurements, though, the graphics card doesnt need more than 150 watts even under full load. Now well calculate in 150 watts for the CPU, motherboard and drives, 300 watts should be enough. If we assume from this a 300 watt load on the 12 V line, this means 25 A is required for this rail.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...wer,2122-6.html
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Now my vid cards look small
TIKITRADER
I did find a power cable for that Big A** video card
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/par...x20101116xGPROD
sorry ... this guy is just so boring .
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I did find a power cable for that Big A** video card
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/par...x20101116xGPROD
Quote from Went Fishing:
About those monitors (model # ?), I have a similar model with that type of stand. Mine DO NOT have mounting holes/thread inserts in the rear to mount on the racks often seen and discussed here on ET. I can't see if those do but if your thinking of a rack mount, take a good look at that. Many times I believe they are returned because of this, then resold at a discount. GREAT DEAL!!
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System Requirements
Minimum of a 350 Watt power supply.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 18 Amp Amps.)
Minimum 400 Watt for SLI mode system.
(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 22 Amp Amps.)
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- GPU: (Btw, i'm thinking of getting 2 for now, unless it's paramount that I get all 3 now). What was the reason about buying the same make/GPU?. Worst case scenarion, could I get away with something similar/better later on (if and when I need it)?. I have firmly decided on: http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-nVidia-G...12397867&sr=8-1 , but am hoping the price will come down a little in the next few days.
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I will be running this in SLI mode.
Specs for GeForce 8 Series Video Cards
I've often wondered what the hard power consumption numbers of Boli's (often recommended) GeForce 8400 GS Video Card was, now we all know.
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Are you planning to use your box for some video games too? (I didn't see that coming...)
I presume you know what SLI is, right?
Tetris for me is high volatility! I am not a gamer and won't be gaming on this. Guess I have SLI mode confused with something else. I didn't see that coming either :embarrassed:__________________
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Specs for GeForce 9 Series Video Cards
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The model # is Samsung 2230HD. Will I be able to mount these?
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I've often wondered what the hard power consumption numbers of Boli's (often recommended) GeForce 8400 GS Video Card was, now we all know.
Quote from Sam Morgan:
I'm still debating on whether to get the 750W or 850W
Quote from Bolimomo:
Okay. I see. In layman's terms, SLI is a mechanism that links two or more video cards together to produce a single output. It is parallel processing of sort. The typical application is in video games. To use SLI, they use some ribbon cables to connect multiple video cards together (thus you see the pin layouts on the top of the card). Since trading primary deals with 2D charts, we have no use for SLI really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface
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Don't lose sleep over it. Just get the 850W if you are not sure. Difference in $20 maybe?
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sorry ... this guy is just so boring .
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Well... my "rule of thumb" is alway just eye-ball the size of the heat sink. Yes size matters! LOL... The bigger the heat sink (tiki...), the more power the card consumes. After all, the heat has to come from somewhere!
engt430
Thanks TIKITRADER for posting that information on the engt430 . I looked high and low for the power consumption number of those cards, and never really found anything concrete. Remember boys the maximum power consumption of the Quadro NVS 295 is 23 watts. That's what sold me on these cards for my trading computer (and Scat of course) and the resolution and the fanless heatsink and the # of Digital Outputs and the they're single slot. And yes it's true, I recycle my empty toilet paper rolls
http://www.nvidia.com/object/produc...nvs_295_us.html
Good morning guys. This is what I found along some research:
"You can connect 2 or 3 video cards together that have the same/ identical specifications which would combine the 3 video cards together and give way much higher performance than 3 single video cards. You can almost expect 3 times more performance than a single graphics card. For this we need a motherboard that's i.e. 2 way or 3 way SLI capable. At the same time we need a graphics card that's also 2 way or 3 way SLI capable."
The GPU and mobo I want/have, have the SLI capability. Would you link the 3 cards together?
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Does anyone know of comparable GPUs (EVGA 9500GT), that may have 3 outputs, maybe 2xDVI and 1X VGA @ around $50-75. Maybe I can get away with 2 cards instead of 3
Note: The monitor I have does not have HDMI input.
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You guys are killing me! I have to look up this stuff at night, and it's becoming a job just trying to keep up!
I found another option for GPUs. If I get 3, with the rebate and all, it'll cost me a total of ~$100 (after tax and shipping).
Does anyone have any experience with these cards. It will mainly be for trading. Occasionally, I will stream content from the web in HD. Will this suffice?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...srkey=z700-0222
Happens that my brother is getting some stuff from them, so he will add the third card to his items. That'll bring the total to ~$65 for all 3 cards (including tax + shipping). Can i have someone's blessings on this, before I order them. Thanks.
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Quote from Went Fishing:
Thanks TIKITRADER for posting that information on the engt430 . I looked high and low for the power consumption number of those cards, and never really found anything concrete. Remember boys the maximum power consumption of the Quadro NVS 295 is 23 watts. That's what sold me on these cards for my trading computer (and Scat of course) and the resolution and the fanless heatsink and the # of Digital Outputs and the they're single slot. And yes it's true, I recycle my empty toilet paper rolls
http://www.nvidia.com/object/produc...nvs_295_us.html
... jk !
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Does anyone know of comparable GPUs (EVGA 9500GT), that may have 3 outputs, maybe 2xDVI and 1X VGA @ around $50-75. Maybe I can get away with 2 cards instead of 3
Note: The monitor I have does not have HDMI input.
Tiki, what do you think of the cards above (Zotac GeForce GT220)?
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
I found another option for GPUs. If I get 3, with the rebate and all, it'll cost me a total of ~$100 (after tax and shipping).
Does anyone have any experience with these cards. It will mainly be for trading. Occasionally, I will stream content from the web in HD. Will this suffice?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...srkey=z700-0222
Happens that my brother is getting some stuff from them, so he will add the third card to his items. That'll bring the total to ~$65 for all 3 cards. Can i have someone's blessings on this, before I order them. Thanks.
I didn't read this review just found it and will post it for now until more info can be found.
Zotac Geforce GT 220
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...GeForce_GT_220/
You tube Zotac GT 220
Did not watch vid as I have to run out but maybe something useful ?
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I think Boli and Scat are some of the top sale price finders around. Sometimes I think I find a bargain and they post something at a better savings.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I think that is Scataphagos. I usually throw my money away at Fry's becaiuse I am IMPATIENT!
Quote from Sam Morgan:
Note: The monitor I have does not have HDMI input.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Yap you've got it.
http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/...2PTNSF/ZA-specs
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Sam
Is this the monitor you bought? According to the spec sheet it has 1 HDMI connection.
. Thanks for pointing that out. However, here are the specs for the monitors I have.__________________
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I'm almost there. So now I think I have the GPU and power supply pinned down. I spoke to Corsair and the tech guys thought with that 500-600W should be sufficient, since the maximum output the GPU has is 55W/card, so 3 should have no more than 100W. Addd on the HHD, optical drives, processor, mobo etc and I think 650W should be enough; esp. if I want to add something later.
Any thoughts?
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Tiki, just noticed that your thread has reached 475 post!!!. People must really like you, huh?.
Thanks again for starting such a great educational thread. I think I'm more a PC geek now than a trader
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That video is a dual slot card, not for you.
You ordered four monitors right? Two of these will light them up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NVidia-Quadro-N...c#ht_507wt_1160
Buying the third at a later date should be no problem.
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I think that is Scataphagos. I usually throw my money away at Fry's becaiuse I am IMPATIENT!
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...... I spoke to Corsair and the tech guys thought with that 500-600W should be sufficient.....
Any thoughts?
Quote from Sam Morgan:
Thanks again for starting such a great educational thread. I think I'm more a PC geek now than a trader
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I found another option for GPUs. If I get 3, with the rebate and all, it'll cost me a total of ~$100 (after tax and shipping).
Here is a look at the fan setup for the Push / Pull configuration on the CPU Coolmaster Hyper 212 + Cooler.
Running it for a couple days and it does lower the temps 1 to 2 celcius. ( edit: it appears at this time to be lowering. I will continue to try this for a long period of time )
It fluctuates depending on what is being run under normal conditions.
CPU temps anywhere from 25 to 26 celcius.
I will leave it in and run it over the weeks. I will post feedback.
This was done just for fun and see the effect if any.
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I think I might have given the wrong model. My model is Samsung B2230 NOT B2230HD
Quote from Bolimomo:
This looks like a really good deal.
Per the Passmark site, GeForce GT 220 ranks at 449, where GeForce 9500 GT at 352.
Don't have any experience with Zotac. Hopefully a good card.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/common_gpus.html
$20 each is really can't go wrong.
Quote from Went Fishing:
Fat cards, single slots, volts, amps, watts, HDMI, HD, DVI, VGA, PGA, CIA, KGB and NAACP ...
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Here is a look at the fan setup for the Push / Pull configuration on the CPU Coolmaster Hyper 212 + Cooler.
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I just couldn't help myself
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-NVIDIA-Qua...e#ht_500wt_1156
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I just couldn't help myself
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-NVIDIA-Qua...e#ht_500wt_1156
Quote from Bolimomo:
I think that is Scataphagos. I usually throw my money away at Fry's becaiuse I am IMPATIENT!
but check the site everyday and I've already bought an ibuypower. lol
Quote from Went Fishing:
I just couldn't help myself
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-NVIDIA-Qua...e#ht_500wt_1156
Quote from Went Fishing:
I just couldn't help myself
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-NVIDIA-Qua...e#ht_500wt_1156
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FYI:
Today only!
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FYI:
Today only!
Are you all set?
I received a pm and someone just shared info on a a great Case - midtower silent type
Here is the link
http://www.nzxt.com/new/products/classic_series/h2
Thanks !! and please join in the thread that was great info on silent cases
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So... are you ready to build your box this weekend? The impatient mind wants to know...
. That's a good thing; I need that push. I think I'll build it next weekend since I haven't got all the parts yet. I just received the following today: mobo, CPU and memory. The GPUs are going to be here on Thursday. __________________
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Optical drive can be anything (any suggestions?).
I have never done a self build before, so am a little lost when it came to the casing. All and any help will be taken with both hands. What size do I need (mid or full size), which are the best brands, how do I know which ones run silently, which ones have good airflow etc. are some of the questions I have.
I had to get a laugh. The computer "guru" Friend of mine left a few hours ago after making sure I got the 295's installed correctly-and I did. As well as helping me mount the monitors, assemble the Ergotron quad stands, run the cables getting everything where it needs to be without a ball of wire mess, etc., (That's a job!) and put the new system through his own mental checklist of things to go over. Pheeeew!
I pulled up ET on the bottom left monitor, pulled up this thread, and it was 83 pages long. Lol!!!!!! I wasn't logged in, and this thread was around 13-14 pages with my settings when logged in, so it was worth a laugh after I got over my panic to find I am dumb enough to not know when I'm logged in or not. Maybe it was the stress of hoping everything comes together with a new system?
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Maybe it was the stress of hoping everything comes together with a new system?
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I had to get a laugh. The computer "guru" Friend of mine left a few hours ago after making sure I got the 295's installed correctly-and I did.
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FYI:
Today only!
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= = = = =
The case: both I and Tiki got a full-tower case made by Antec. They are really huge. I put them under my desk so the big size doesn't matter much. But inside those cases there are lots of unused space. You may want to use some of the mid-size or compact ones. But be sure they will support 4 slots for PCIe X16.
Your motherboard is mATX (Micro-ATX). It is 2 inches smaller than ATX but will fit inside any case that is designed for ATX.
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I was not aware you had begun the build. Nice !
.....
Don't even tell me one of you found stability ball for $3.95 someplace ...
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It's the viruses eating away the electrons representing ET pages inside your computer.
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Cannot believe some of these prices. Excellent post, even for a one day sale. Maybe someone was able to grab this deal.
(I'm trying to sell one of you on the idea! LOL!)
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If I remember correctly LEAPup bought a box from ibuypower.com. He did put in the video cards himself, with his tech guru kind enough to double-check his work.
Congrats Tiki your post has passed the 500 replies mark. This may be the longest thread in the hardware subforum.
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Yes, and I'm trying to keep my sanity as it's been shutting down. It's click, off ZERO warning.
.....
We'll work it out. If not, the box goes back to ibuypower. If I send it back, do you think I need to take out the four 295's?
Excellent advice Bolimomo.
When I do a fresh install Windows that is the first
Thing I have to do . Must change the default Power settings.
Windows has it set to hibernate quickly. I just change all settings to never
Sleep. Then set the screen saver to at least 2 hour minimum.
I am out now but I will post images of the power settings window when I return.
Ok back. When I look at posts I have done from a cell phone they look so strange .
LEAPup, following Boli's advice for power settings go to...
Start / Control Panel / Power Options / Change plan settings
see images attached
Power options
You can still place the computer in a sleep / hibernate state manually if you wish while these settings have been disabled for auto hibernate/ sleep
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Congrats Tiki your post has passed the 500 replies mark. This may be the longest thread in the hardware subforum.
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Wish I would have twisted yours, tiki's, scats, etc., arm to build this thing. I know if one of you had done that, you may have worked with it for a couple of days after completion to get your own opinion on what you built.....
Don't get me started on these horror stories on installing hardware software. In my prior life I supported servers and desktops on 24x7 call centers, along with phone connections. Imagine coming in on a weekend upgrade and nothing seemed to work comes Sunday midnight the regular rush comes in about 6 hours to go and you haven't had anything wrapped up... talk about pressure.
(Now the pressure from trading is about the same, LOL! )
To Microsoft and many software vendors credits they had much improved their installation procedures and mechanisms from the early days. Have you ever used a text terminal to edit AUTOEXEC.BAT and SYSTEM.INI to add in the lines needed for your new mouse or some ISA cards? If not... just show me a big SMILE right now! You are the lucky generation...
Guys, I appreciate the advice. In addition, we spoke on the phone, and he walked me through what tiki posted.
He's coming over in a few minutes to figure this out. I'll update the results.
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Guys, I appreciate the advice...
He's coming over in a few minutes to figure this out.
I'll update the results.
Well guess what ? Yesterday I was impatient.
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Unless the unthinkable happens and the main rig doesn't want to run. It wil not be an impatient feeling , more like oh no !
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In the end there is not a better feeling than taking time and finding great deals .. Thanks to some very good people here posting great bargains some folks will be able to visit this thread and possibly see some
nice savings.
Good people around here for sure.
, I posted up-thread that I bought a full size Rosewill case I didn't, I bought a mid tower, my mistake ... it looks BIG sitting beside a small HP box I have.
Quote from Went Fishing:
I just couldn't help myself
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-NVIDIA-Qua...e#ht_500wt_1156
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Now that is a SUPER Slick buy!!!. I feel bad for the seller
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Congrats Tiki your post has passed the 500 replies mark. This may be the longest thread in the hardware subforum.
That's ok with the case error. P183 and 300's are mids ( wink )
Quote from Went Fishing:
The major most stressful issue was dealing with my 3 1/2 yr old grand daughter, trying to explain to her every 5 minutes why the Roku box didn't work!
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Yes, Congrats indeed TikiTrader, 500 replies, WoW! But really impresses me is the 18749 views, in a month! Big brother is obviously watching
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That's ok with the case error. P183 and 300's are mids ( wink )
Seriously though... the antec 900 case is about 19 inches tall and the p183 is about 21, and the 900 is about 19 total inches long and the 183 had about 19 inches of usable space. Both mids and good sized difference.
mid towers all range in size but I have no idea what actually is the spec range that determines a midtower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ID=kb5hqbsxqjkr
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The case is about as big as the original IBM XT computer. Albeit standing on its side.
5 1/4-inch floppy drive. 10MB hard disk. 640KB memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer_XT
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now that brings me back to the 286 processor days
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mid towers all range in size but I have no idea what actually is the spec range that determines a midtower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ID=kb5hqbsxqjkr
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I don't know either. I love those pimp LEDs. I should have picked up a case based on the flashing LEDs, blue and pink. Lovely. I would love to have a computer with LEDs flashing brighter and faster when the market is moving. So exciting. Dim and slow when the market is dead...
Newegg TV: 5.2Ghz i7 2600K Overclock on ASUS Maximus IV Extreme P67 1155
Give yourself a big pat on your own back Tiki.
I just skimmed through the book "How To Buy A Trading Computer" mentioned in another thread. EZCOMPUTER posted their savings:
You have built yourself a machine with similar performance at... what was the cost again? Good job!
And Sam you will see the savings for your box too.
The only thing is you need to be your own tech support for the next 3 years... LOL
Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Memory Kit Review
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1542/1/
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You have built yourself a machine with similar performance at... what was the cost again?
P67 Sandy Bridge Overclocking Guide For Beginners
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/over...html#post109771
The Best Memory for Sandy Bridge
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/me...-sandy-bridge/1
LGA1155 Overclocking Glossary
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cp...core-i5-2500k/2
ASUS P8P67-M Pro EFI Bios Overview
ASUS AI Suite P8P67 Deluxe
a quick overview of the Suite. No words, music background
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http://www.overclock.net/276921-post1.html
Info: Ram Timings For Dummies.
How memory is organized
Before we can discuss timings we need to understand a little about how memory is organized and accessed. Your RAM is basically laid out like an Excel spreadsheet. In other words, it is organized in rows and columns. Suppose that you have a 16 megabit chip on your memory stick. This chip will normally have 4M (4,194,304) address locations, or cells to follow our spreadsheet example, with each one containing 4 bits of data. Since 2^22 = 4,194,304, 22 bit addresses are required to address that many cells. The memory controller will use the first 11 bits to reference the column and the last 11 bits to reference the row. This method allows the memory controller to uniquely address each row and column in your RAM just like you would when you use an Excel spreadsheet. This explanation may seem a little complicated, but it will help us understand memory timings, which is what this FAQ is all about.
What are timings?
Timings generally refer to how long it takes for the memory to get ready for access by the memory controller and CPU. RAM timings play an important role in your systems overall performance as well as stability. If the memory tries to give up something before the CPU is ready for it, then you could have problems. Thats when someone might say, you need to loosen your timings. That way, you allow a little more time for the rest of the system to get ready for whatever action the memory is getting ready for. The converse is someone might say you need to tighten your timings, which would speed up how long it takes the memory to get ready so it doesnt slow down the rest of the system.
Your RAM timings are actually numbers like 2-3-2-5 and refer to the number of ticks (CPU cycles) it takes for memory to get ready to do something on behalf of a request from the system. So we can deduce that timings play an important role in programs that need to access memory quickly in relationship to other system components. Can you guess what type of programs rely more on timings? Games are a big one! Your games have to move data quickly so you dont get headshot in CS:S or taken down by a zombie in HL2. Timings obviously are not critical in programs that just sit there and crunch numbers. They play a role, but not as big as in games.
Youre probably wondering then why do I sometimes have to adjust my timings if Prime95 craps out since it just crunches numbers? The answer is simple: the researchers that wrote Prime95 developed some of their stress tests so that data would have to be moved quickly in and out of memory to test the stability of your system. You cant do scientific research unless you have reliable data!
OK. Enough of this Prime95 talk. Lets get on with RAM timings.
What happens when the CPU wants something from memory?
First, the chip set accesses the ROW of the memory matrix (remember our spreadsheet analogy) by putting an address on the memory's address pins and activating the RAS signal. Then, we have to wait a few clock cycles (known as RAS-to-CAS Delay). Then, the column address is put on the address pins, and the CAS signal is activated, to access the correct column of the memory matrix. Then, we wait a few clock cycles. This is what we all call CAS latency. Then the data magically appears on the pins of the RAM and hopefully you dont plugged in the head.
CAS? RAS? What are those?
Now we get down to the meat of our discussion. Actually there are several different RAM timings that you can probably tweak in your BIOS, but 4 are really important and youll probably never mess with the others. If you do, then youre geekier than the rest of us and probably have a very large head. That may be the reason you go down so much in CS:S and not because of your timings. Bigger target for headshots. Get it?
We refer to memory timings like 2-2-2-5. What does this mean? Well, these numbers are CAS LatencyRAS to CAS DelayRAS PrechargeTRAS.
What? Dont worry. Well talk about each one of these settings and explain precisely what they mean. Well maybe not precisely, but youll get the picture. Unless youve got one of those big heads, then youll probably just post corrections to my FAQ J.
CAS Column Address Strobe
Youll also see CAS referred to as CAS Latency, CAS Delay, or CL. CAS controls the timing delay (in clock cycles) before the RAM starts a read command after receiving it. CAS timings are usually 2, 2.5, or 3 for DDR and can be higher for DDR2. CAS latency has more affect on your system performance than any other RAM setting. Since this is the number of cycles the CAS needs to find the correct address of the data that it is looking for. That is why your system will run a little faster when the data can be fetched in 2 cycles rather than 2.5 or 3.
RAS to CAS Delay (RAS Row Access Strobe)
You will sometimes see RAS to CAS Delay referred to as TRCD (time RAS CAS Delay). This timing is the number of CPU cycles between the CAS and RAS signals used when your RAM is written to, read from, or refreshed. Lower settings result in faster performance, but this setting is not as critical as CAS Delay. Typical settings for this are 2, 3, and 4 for DDR with similar values for DDR2 depending on what speed the RAM is set for.
RAS Precharge
RAS precharge is sometimes referred to as TRP (time RAS Precharge) and indicates how fast your RAM can terminate the access of one row and start accessing another. Typical settings for RAS precharge are similar to TRCD. TRP also affects performance, but like TRCD, it is not as critical as CAS Delay.
Active to Precharge
More commonly referred to as TRAS (you should have caught on by now that T is for time) and specifies the number of CPU cycles between getting a memory bank (our spreadsheet) ready for access and then closing it. TRAS generally affects system stability more than performance, but you should strive to run at the lowest number possible while remaining stable in your overclock. Typical values for TRAS are much higher than the others and range from 5 to 8 for decent DDR and from 8 to 12 for DDR2 depending on the speed used.
What about Command Rate?
Command Rate is sometimes referred to as DRC (DRAM command rate). This is the setting that selects the speed of your RAM signal controller. If it is set to 1T, then the controller will run in synchronization with your bus speed. Higher settings will result in slower overall RAM speed, which translates to less bandwith and yes (you guessed it) more headshots for you. Most decent RAM modules will run at 1T, but some have to be set to 2T. The moral of the story here is dont buy value select RAM!
~Tweaking for Performance and Stability~
Ok, so youve overclocked your system and Prime95 ran for 14 minutes and crapped out. Youre already at max vcore, youve got an appropriate memory divider, and youve tweaked vdimm. What should you do? Adjust the timings!
Start by increasing TRAS. Go up to the max if you need to and if this solves your problem then youre golden. If not, then try increasing TRCD and TRP. If that doesnt work, then you may need to bump up your CAS Delay. Since there are 4 timings, you may need to experiment a little to find the right mix to get you through a 12 hour session of Prime95 . or at least 1 1/2 hours of Memtest
Dont worry about the hype from the forum members yelling at you that you have bad RAM. You can benchmark before and after so you have numbers to see the difference.
Benchmarking
The proof is in the numbers. If youre really concerned that loose timings will result in drastic performance decrease then you should bench before and after. Youll probably find that there isnt a big difference. Besides, whats more important: a faster unstable system that will crash your game just before you deliver a head shot to melon head or a slightly (very slightly) slower system that lets you plug the bad guy? __________________
Quote from dcraig:
Here's a Gigabyte Z68 motherboard with three PCI-E x16 slots for $100:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813128495
This is a nice mb. from Gigabyte
Quote from Went Fishing:
This Motherboard was posted as a 3 PCI-E 16 slot contender for Sam's build, however it didn't receive as much as an honorable mention, why?
I'm not Intel savvy, but I do notice one thing that I don't understand. On the Newegg site under the Details and Overview tabs, the information on Onboard Video Chipset is listed as NONE on both pages. But in the image of the Rear Panel Ports I see D-Sub + DVI and HDMI connections, what's up with that? Sam stated he wanted to run six monitors, with this board couldn't he get by with 1 video card (right now), running #s 1 & 2 off the onboard and run #s 3 & 4 off the video card? Am I missing something? P68 or Z67 maybe?
Impatient minds wants to know...
This link is the same one dcraig posted above.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813128495
Details
Quote from Went Fishing:
I'm not Intel savvy, but I do notice one thing that I don't understand. On the Newegg site under the Details and Overview tabs, the information on Onboard Video Chipset is listed as NONE on both pages. But in the image of the Rear Panel Ports I see D-Sub + DVI and HDMI connections, what's up with that? Sam stated he wanted to run six monitors, with this board couldn't he get by with 1 video card (right now), running #s 1 & 2 off the onboard and run #s 3 & 4 off the video card? Am I missing something? P68 or Z67 maybe?
Onboard Graphics -Integrated in the Chipset - Intel Z68
z68
Quote from Went Fishing:
Impatient minds wants to know...
This link is the same one dcraig posted above.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813128495
Ram timings explained
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arti...-RAM-Timings/26
http://www.techpowerup.com/printarticle.php?id=131
Quote from Bolimomo:
Those Coronas are hard to collect! Dang... I need to fly 5 hours to Florida...
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Quote from Went Fishing:
This Motherboard was posted as a 3 PCI-E 16 slot contender for Sam's build, however it didn't receive as much as an honorable mention, why?
I'm not Intel savvy, but I do notice one thing that I don't understand. On the Newegg site under the Details and Overview tabs, the information on Onboard Video Chipset is listed as NONE on both pages. But in the image of the Rear Panel Ports I see D-Sub + DVI and HDMI connections, what's up with that? Sam stated he wanted to run six monitors, with this board couldn't he get by with 1 video card (right now), running #s 1 & 2 off the onboard and run #s 3 & 4 off the video card? Am I missing something? P68 or Z67 maybe?
Impatient minds wants to know...
This link is the same one dcraig posted above.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813128495
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
Impatient mind, this is the mobo I got. If I can do what you're suggesting, that could be interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/P8P67-M-PRO-R...12745916&sr=8-1
Yap I agree. There is no onboard video for the ASUS card.
Besides the socket (LGA 1155 - for i5-2600k processor), you need to look at the chipset of choice for the motherboard. The Gigabyte and ASUS boards are different. One is P67 and one is Z68.
From this page:
http://rethinkthought.com/intel-san...nces-explained/
H67 Onboard graphics are enabled, while overclocking is disabled
P67 You need a graphics card for this chipset onboard graphics is disabled, however overclocking is enabled here
Z68 You guessed it
best of both worlds. Onboard graphics are enabled, as is overclocking
Adding graphics cards are no big deal. Just $20 a card is really great.
Explanation of chipset (slightly dated but you get the idea):
http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Ar...d/chipset.shtml
The small guy on the motherboard is the intel chipset (P67 for that ASUS board, Z68 for that Gigabyte board):
This guy... it was covered by the ASUS heatsink.
Quote from Sam Morgan:
You get a little more than the bottle in Florida Boli. This should make your 5 hour flight a little more palatable
Quote from Bolimomo:
Oh boy.....
You can keep the Corona and I will take the rest...
wait a minute .... " Would you do ' .... oh nevermind LOL
Quote from Bolimomo:
Besides the socket (LGA 1155 - for i5-2600k processor), you need to look at the chipset of choice for the motherboard. The Gigabyte and ASUS boards are different. One is P67 and one is Z68.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
The feedback from Bolimomo and myself should have helped to answer this.
Quote from Sam Morgan:
You get a little more than the bottle in Florida Boli. This should make your 5 hour flight a little more palatable
Flexible Display Interface
http://www.techpowerup.com/144399/A...d-Detailed.html
http://tech2.in.com/news/cpus/intel...-pcie-30/215622
These chipsets are beautiful...
All these I/O functions... dealing with keyboard, moust, parallel port, floppy drive, Ethernet, etc... used to be separate cards that you install on a computer. Now the processor chip maker (i.e. Intel versus the other guy LOL)... has integrated these functions down on the same silicon IC.
(But I still miss the days where I connect these components separately! LOL Makes me feel important that I "know" what goes where... )
I will not drive cars with automatic transmissions! LOL
*sigh* now cars can do its own parallel parking...
Quote from Sam Morgan:
Hey Boli, piling the pressure on, huh
The only other things that I need to order are: casing, HDD and optical drive.
I have never done a self build before, so am a little lost when it came to the casing. All and any help will be taken with both hands.
Btw, does anyone notice if I'm missing anything?
VIVA CORONA!!!
Quote from Went Fishing:
Have you looked at the case LEAPup ordered (I think) very nice, air filters, and options for six fans but only comes with one. One issue (maybe) is the Power Supply is mounted on the bottom. Fans are cheap, a 4 pack of 120mm (pretty quiet) fans are 10 bucks on Newegg.
"..... notice if I'm missing anything? How about Thermal Compound?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811146061
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Quote from Went Fishing:
You better be careful there Sam, I know Boli likes to travel and if he can pick up $150.00 installing a couple cards for LeapUP he might just show up on your doorstep!
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
However, how do you think these 2 compare?
Computer Case Buying Guide - NewEgg
http://www.newegg.com/product/categ...leid=192#topic1
(dont forget the wheels that keep spinning when you come to a stop )
Quote from Sam Morgan:
However, I'm really not sure what I'm looking for in a case.
Quote from Went Fishing:
I think of a case as a container to hold all the parts, that's about it. Here's a guide:
http://www.newegg.com/product/categ...x?articleid=192
Quote from Bolimomo:
Really? Wow!
1) Did the box "shut down" - meaning that it went through a regular sequence of a Windows shut down? Or it just crashed, died, blue-screened?
2) Was the Windows operating system installed by ibuypower.com? You know that the default Windows operating system configuration, they have a power-safe setting. That after 15 minutes or so of inactivity, the OS will go into hybernate mode. The monitors turn black, hard drive quiet, etc.. when in hybernate. I always have to change the power setting to never go to hybernate for my desktop. By any chance this was what happened but not a shut down?
3) If you sent the box back to ibuypower, definitely pull out your 4 NVS 295's before shipping (after you power off, of course). They didn't sell you the cards. You need to pull out anything that don't belong to them.
4) If this is a real hardware problem... most of the time it's CPU over-heating. Did you double-check all the fans inside: the ones for the chassis, then one(s) for the CPU heat sink... the fan (if any) for the video cards. Are they all running when you have the computer powered up? If any fan is not connected or not running, it could cause overheating problems.
but what else can I do?
Quote from Went Fishing:
I think of a case as a container to hold all the parts, that's about it.
Quote from LEAPup:
5-6 minutes, click, done.
The tower is going back Monday. It's apparently the CPU from what "mr. computer" says.
Ticks me off
Cases come in open air style. Here is one from MyOpenPC
Antec's Skeleton open air case
These are older cases but you get the idea. Yes they basically just hold the pieces together. If you watch videos of people testing parts sometimes they just may have them laying all over a bench connected back with cables.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811129056
and if you want hardcore the kid who runs the computer the parts all over the place.
no case at all. probably just testing out everything before permanent install in case.
video gives me a headache.
Quote from LEAPup:
The tower is going back Monday. It's apparently the CPU from what "mr. computer" says.
What Memory Timings and Features Mean
The Secrets of PC Memory: Part 1
Published on 15th November 2007 by Ryan J. Leng
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/me...memory_part_1/1
The Secrets of PC Memory: Part 2
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/me...memory_part_2/1
The Secrets of PC Memory: Part 3
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/me...memory_part_3/7
The Secrets of PC Memory: Part 4
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/me...memory_part_4/1
Useful site for computer tips video format
http://www.youtube.com/user/beyourownit
Quote from LEAPup:
Thanks for the replies guys. It's just one of those things I'm having with my luck recently.
And yes, it's on it's way back as of today.
Quote from LEAPup:
it's on it's way back as of today.
Power Supply SALE ($79.99 - after rebate and new customer promo):
I just bought this and have previously researched it thoroughly. It seems like a great product and I saw this sale today.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16817139012
It qualifies for FREE 3 day shipping. You can also get another $10 off if you are a new customer (you can create a new email acc. - $10 for 5 min. worth of work = $120/hr )
Here is the promo code for New Customers:
http://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/...Customer10-_-NA
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Quote from LEAPup:
5-6 minutes, click, done.
The tower is going back Monday. It's apparently the CPU from what "mr. computer" says.
Ticks me off
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
There's nothing as painful as getting into a good trading rhythm and then having issues like this pop up. For me, it completely defocuses me!!!
Keep the old one around just for that...
Quote from Bolimomo:
Well we all need some contingency plan, especially those who trade for a living. That can be a second box, or an alternative venue to trade when the computer goes south. Can't let one box choke you.
Quote from Went Fishing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywWrEmLI5M
lol
Quote from Scataphagos:
Yup... backup(s)
Like a dumb ass, I put the new rig where my old T3500 used to be. This is my home system. If it was my office system, I'd be in a panic. lol
I have a couple of laptops at home, but don't trade with them. I CAN see where I'll be putting the old T3500 where I can use it if I have to send back the newer rig. Learning lessons...
Quote from TIKITRADER:
keep two laptops... an HP and a gateway nv55c i5 with additional monitor ( to right of desk in pic posted ), and an ipad.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Well we all need some contingency plan, especially those who trade for a living. That can be a second box, or an alternative venue to trade when the computer goes south. Can't let one box choke you.
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Scat you will be happy to know I still have an 8100 desktop laying around.
Although came a time nothing could run on it anymore as it was Me OS.
I changed the hdd and loaded xp to get more life out of it. Not much good for anything today, difficult to run anything but internet, but still there.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Scat you will be happy to know I still have an 8100 desktop laying around.
Although came a time nothing could run on it anymore as it was Me OS.
I changed the hdd and loaded xp to get more life out of it. Not much good for anything today, difficult to run anything but internet, but still there.
Quote from Scataphagos:
8100... wow. Does it have Rambus RAM??
One of my old 8300s is still running at a friend's house.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Yes and found out that memory was very pricy to add on to. ( pricy in its day )
I will get a pic of it posted up this week. Get a Dell in this thread for you Scat
Quote from Sam Morgan:
Power Supply SALE ($79.99 - after rebate and new customer promo):
What a day! Volatility had gone back to the 2008 days. Yaaaaaaaaaaa!
Haven't seen these kinds of rippy moves for a long time. Glad that my boxes and the laptop held up during market raids. If there is a good time to stress-test your equipment... next couple of weeks should be the time!
Dow dropping 600 for a day... that would trigger some resonance moves... I will be partying like Twenty... Oh Oh Eight...
Scat ... for the good times
my Dell 8100 pulled apart to replace the hdd and install XP os.
These cases have the p/s hung from top and get in the way so I have to swing it on a hinge and remove it. Look how clean I have this inside !
This image was taken with an old cell phone some years ago.
Pentium !!
Laugh all you want at these specs. It kicked ass in its day
This was the first image I took when I had installed the new IDE hdd and w XP in the dell 8100, installed all the programs and was trying it out.
Notice freestockcharts.com running
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Scat ... for the good times
my Dell 8100 pulled apart to replace the hdd and install XP os.
These cases have the p/s hung from top and get in the way so I have to swing it on a hinge and remove it. Look how clean I have this inside !
This image was taken with an old cell phone some years ago.
Pentium !!
Quote from Scataphagos:
Looks like the 8100 was before the "clam shell" cases... which were of much better design.
Ok guys, today seems to have been an amazing day for me, in terms of trading AND getting some good deals. The only thing i have done differently today, from every other day, is that I have been in my underwear all day long . I'm tempted to keep this thing going
So, here's another underwear deal that some of you may love. It's not a Crucial or OZC, but for the price you can't go wrong.
Kingston SSD 64GB for $49!!! (after $40 rebate and FREE shipping). Limit 2.
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Sam you are kicking some serious shopping A** !
Quote from Sam Morgan:
I have been in my underwear all day long
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I am not sure what a Dell clamshell case is, but this splits down the middle with a push of a button after unlocking the panel.
Would that be a Dell clamshell case ?
Quote from Went Fishing:
That's just to much information for me.
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Quote from nkhoi:
you just push to unlock then open the case, no tool, no screws
http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/...KKlI6hxx.medium
Quote from TIKITRADER:
yes , that is how I open the 8100 case.
here is the old tank
Quote from Scataphagos:
That's not the clamshell. With it... with the computer upright and the back panel towards you.... push a button at the top to release the latch then spread the two sides like opening a book that is standing on end.
It has drives on one side panel and exhaust fan/PSU/mobo on the other. Made it and roomy to get inside and change parts/cables... and no CPU fan... just one large exhaust fan which was surprisingly quiet unless you had one of the P4s which required higher fan speed for additional cooling.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Thank you for explaining the case. I am not familiar with it but the design is smart. Like the old toasters that fall open away from center leaving the slices flat to pick up easily.
Everything in the 8100 I posted is hinged to swing out of the case like the p/s and hdd bays. It has a plastic airflow vent system to guide the air through the case and keep things cool. Dell is creative with case design.
Finally, got my HDD. I'm happy with it and with the promo. it only cost $19.98. I can't seem to find the promo link, but if anyone is interested, let me know and I will go on a search.
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Oh, and here's the HDD:
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
Oh, and here's the HDD:
) spend several weeks/months accumulating the parts for a well thought out build and in the end have all the bells and whistles they desire at incredible savings. You're doing a great job.
Quote from Went Fishing:
You can't go wrong with a WD drive, IMO.
http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/libra...2879-701277.pdf
This is another great purchase. You know Sam, SOME guys (the patient ones
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Patient
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Speakers:
I'm not getting these, but I'll just post it if anyone is interested. $100 speakers for $39.99 (with rebate).
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
Speakers:
I'm not getting these, but I'll just post it if anyone is interested. $100 speakers for $39.99 (with rebate).
Wow !!! Where do you find this stuff? And his name was, Frank? LoL
Intel Sandy Bridge Core i7 2600K Quad Core CPU Review (DP67GB Burrage)
Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core CPU: Review and Benchmarks (DH67BL Bearlake
These CPU's come with the HD 3000 Graphics stamped into the processor
chipsets
Intel i7 2600k specs
http://ark.intel.com/products/52214...che-3_40-GHz%29
Intel i5 2500k specs
http://ark.intel.com/products/52210...che-3_30-GHz%29
You have done a lot of research on this subject, Tiki! Are you going to teach a class on "Building your own computer for dummies" in community college?
Quote from Bolimomo:
... Are you going to teach a class on "Building your own computer for dummies" in community college?
LOL! That's pretty good! Hey... was that Corona?
Good morning guys. So I thought I had a good deal on my GPU (Zotac nVidia GT220) for $19.99. Today I came across the exact same thing for $9.99!!! (after $30 rebate). Guess you can't win them all.
I hope it helps someone that might want to some low-end GPU. Boli and Went Fishing have given their blessings to this GPU for trading
nVidia GT220: $9.99!!!
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Monitor:
This isn't the best of deals, but it's not a bad one. TWO Dell monitors (21.5") for $249. (That's $124.98 each). Theses are not refurbished; they are brand new and come with warranty and support).
![](http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3265878.png")
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Quote from Bolimomo:
LOL! That's pretty good! Hey... was that Corona?
MSI's new INTEL Sandy Bridge P67 and H67 Series Motherboard
8 pci Express !!!
Sounds like a $500 mobo..
Quote from Scataphagos:
Sounds like a $500 mobo..
MSI Big Bang P67 Marshal
Casing:
I've narrowed down the casing to 4. I have a preference, but I won't say it for now as I don't want to sway any opinions.
The choices are:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ll%20challenger
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...r%20Elite%20430
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811119068
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811129042
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
nVidia GT220: $9.99!!!
Quote from TIKITRADER:
MSI's new INTEL Sandy Bridge P67 and H67 Series Motherboard
8 pci Express !!!
Quote from LEAPup:
An amazing MB no doubt. However, how practical would this realy be? Plus the price...
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Not, just posted for fun. expensive
from the review...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-b...arshal-review/8
Slot connectivity wise you'll spot eight PCI Express x16 slots, an Lucid LT22102 provides the additional PCIe bandwidth needed. However the slots are limited as the motherboard needs way more PCie lanes to become fully operational, here's the breakdown:
PCIE 1 - supports up- to x16 speed when PCI 3 is empty
PCIE 2 - supports up- to x1 speed
PCIE 3 - supports up- to x8 speed
PCIE 4 - supports up- to x1 speed
PCIE 5 - supports up- to x16 speed when PCI 7 is empty
PCIE 6 - supports up- to x1 speed
PCIE 7 - supports up- to x8 speed
PCIE 8 - supports up- to x1 speed
So out of the eight mechanical slots four are x1 only, that's just silly. Slot 1 and 5 should be used in 2-way multi-GPU mode and with 32x lanes available up-to four cards can be used over PCIE 1, 3, 5 and 7.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
So out of the eight mechanical slots four are x1 only, that's just silly. .
Quote from LEAPup:
I went with the Asus Maximus IV Extreme Z which was $$$, and probably didn't even need that much MB. Lol! How does that statement go, "a fool and his money soon part?"
Quote from Sam Morgan:
Casing:
I've narrowed down the casing to 4. I have a preference, but I won't say it for now as I don't want to sway any opinions.
Hey Tiki where id you get the software to monitor CPU temperature (looks nice!)? Is it a free one?
Quote from Bolimomo:
Your box is the most ecomonically-built high-performance box I have ever seen.
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
It's the first time i'm doing it and I have never seen a PC from the inside before
Quote from Went Fishing:
....
Just a note, when buying case fans the option to buy according to noise levels (decibels) exist. If you choose the fans with low dBA ratings to install in a new box or replace existing fans in an old box you can reduce the fan noise significantly. But buying a box off the shelf with fans already installed don't expect them to be very quiet, unless advertised as such.
We all know which one you want.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Hey Tiki where id you get the software to monitor CPU temperature (looks nice!)? Is it a free one?
Quote from LEAPup:
I went with the Asus Maximus IV Extreme Z which was $$$, and probably didn't even need that much MB. Lol!
Quote from Bolimomo:
....
We will be here to help you! Though this weekend I plan to be out of town and may not be able to reply in a timely fashion. But Tiki is always online! LOL
I need vacation soon. Vitamin D sunshine with a lime.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
That is the Asus Suite ll . It can be downloaded off the web but it comes with the drivers/ utilities when you purchase an Asus MB
http://support.asus.com/Download.as...m=Tools&p=1&os=
Quote from Went Fishing:
Sam, you have quite a variety here.
You may want to think ahead a bit and ask yourself what hardware you might want to add in the future, e.g.card reader or a USB 3.0 Front Panel Hub. The Antec Three Hundred has ONLY (3) 5.25" external bays,and (NO) 3.5" external bays available. But it does have some BIG exhaust fans, (might be loud).
The Cooler Master RC-430-KWN1 has only one pimped out cooling fan mounted in front, you'll need another fan in the rear of this case.
The Cooler Master CAC-T05-UW gives you (1) 3.5" external bay and 2 fans (1 front & 1 rear)
Of the cases you posted the Rosewill CHALLENGER, comes with three fans, several extra external bays and dust filters. This box gets my vote.
Just a note, when buying case fans the option to buy according to noise levels (decibels) exist. If you choose the fans with low dBA ratings to install in a new box or replace existing fans in an old box you can reduce the fan noise significantly. But buying a box off the shelf with fans already installed don't expect them to be very quiet, unless advertised as such.
We all know which one you want.
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We are here to help .
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
Nuff' said! And we appreciate it more than the few THANK YOUS we say
Anyone who walks away with a little more info, or possibly a direction towards needed parts for their machine, maybe a new build, is the biggest thank you to everyone participating and sharing their knowledge.
Quote from Bolimomo:
But remember that you will take us out "fishing" in Miami Beach...
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Casing: CHECKED!
I went with WF on this one.
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It is always helpful to read the user guides first before starting the build.
Just what is necessary for the building part of the machine.
Note: a MB user guide goes into greater details than needed for the initial assembling. Read the necessary part to assemble,then remainder after built for adjusting.
Rosewill Challenger User Guide
http://www.rosewill.com/Mgnt/Upload...-usermanual.pdf
Rosewill Challenger U3 User Guide
http://www.rosewill.com/Mgnt/Upload...-usermanual.pdf
Quote from TIKITRADER:
It is always helpful to read the user guides first before starting the build.
Just what is necessary for the building part of the machine.
Note: a MB user guide goes into greater details than needed for the initial assembling. Read the necessary part to assemble,then remainder after built for adjusting.
Rosewill Challenger User Guide
http://www.rosewill.com/Mgnt/Upload...-usermanual.pdf
Rosewill Challenger U3 User Guide
http://www.rosewill.com/Mgnt/Upload...-usermanual.pdf
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Quote from TIKITRADER:
Anyone who walks away with a little more info, or possibly a direction towards needed parts for their machine, maybe a new build, is the biggest thank you to everyone participating and sharing their knowledge.
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That is the Asus Suite ll . It can be downloaded off the web but it comes with the drivers/ utilities when you purchase an Asus MB
http://support.asus.com/Download.as...m=Tools&p=1&os=
Quote from Bolimomo:
There are quite a few utilities download kits on the ASUS website. Do you know which kit correspond to the CPU temperature program?
Downloaded PC Probe II. Does that look right?
The CPU temperature on mine seemed kind of high! No wonder this room feels like a furnace! LOL
Quote from TIKITRADER:
So out of the eight mechanical slots four are x1 only, that's just silly. Slot 1 and 5 should be used in 2-way multi-GPU mode and with 32x lanes available up-to four cards can be used over PCIE 1, 3, 5 and 7.[/i]
Quote from Bolimomo:
Downloaded PC Probe II. Does that look right?
The CPU temperature on mine seemed kind of high! No wonder this room feels like a furnace! LOL
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Temps for i7
Quote from Bolimomo:
Looks like these CPUs can get up to 70-80C. That's hot! Enough to brew coffee! Maybe 50C is not that big a deal...
Thanks for the link.
I have been using the Intel heatsink and fan for the box1 and 2. Maybe I will install a Cooler Master push/pull heatsink on them to help out.
Let me see what my box3 temperature read says.... (it's a MSI board with i7-950 plus overclocking)... I do have a Cooler Master on it.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I have been using the Intel heatsink and fan for the box1 and 2. Maybe I will install a Cooler Master push/pull heatsink on them to help out.
Let me see what my box3 temperature read says.... (it's a MSI board with i7-950 plus overclocking)... I do have a Cooler Master on it.
Just a note regarding cpu temps..
The asus probe is taking temps at the socket for the cpu.
This program I posted before
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/
Wil take the cpu temps of each core.
Windows 7:
FYI:
OEM vs Full Retail:
OEM versions of Windows 7 are identical to Full License Retail versions except for the following:
- OEM versions do not offer any free Microsoft direct support from Microsoft support personnel
- OEM licenses are tied to the very first computer you install and activate it on
- OEM versions allow all hardware upgrades except for an upgrade to a different model motherboard
- OEM versions cannot be used to directly upgrade from an older Windows operating system
- OEM comes with either a 32 bit or 64 bit disk. The retail version contains both
- OEM can not be upgraded to the next version (Windows 8)
Btw, does anyone know any deals going on for the full retail version?
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
- OEM versions allow all hardware upgrades except for an upgrade to a different model motherboard
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Windows 7:
Btw, does anyone know any deals going on for the full retail version?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
The extra money spent on a regular copy may give a piece of mind when it comes to support if needed.
Quote from Went Fishing:
You may have met your match on this one, Oh, "Price King in the Hardware Area." Making a deal with the guy who has a firm grip on the testicles of the world, may be just out of your reach.
..............or maybe not!. There's always a way to loosen that grip and if I can manage to do it the right way, it'll probably work out to be the best deal of them all. The final price should come to $30-40 for a LEGAL copy. I'd only want a legal one for this as I hate being interrupted whilst trading. __________________
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Quote from Went Fishing:
Going back to the topic of a deal on Windows 7, I did find one. It seems that governments (local) and school systems can purchase OSs from MicroSoft at deep discounts.
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Btw, I saw these on eBay and was shocked!. These are the full retail versions which normally go for $250-400, so there is no way these can be straight. I'm surprised eBay allows these listings, unless i'm missing something.
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
Btw, I saw these on eBay and was shocked!. These are the full retail versions which normally go for $250-400, so there is no way these can be straight. I'm surprised eBay allows these listings, unless i'm missing something.
Quote from nkhoi:
guy may have extra copies if he run a computer store (I am sure he can come up with a better reason) I bought a server 2003 copy and it worked fine.
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Everything is welcome as it is all related to your new build.
This is great as it really helps people out to complete the steps to a new machine
or just update that one they have ben thinking about.
I had even posted something with Multicharts.
Thanks Sam for all your excellent contributions
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Everything is welcome as it is all related to your new build.
This is great as it really helps people out to complete the steps to a new machine
or just update that one they have ben thinking about.
I had even posted something with Multicharts.
Thanks Sam for all your excellent contributions
If you run 32-bit, you will be limited to 4GB of RAM. That makes your 8GB memory... half of it not usable.
Source:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_7
"X86" means 32-bit
Version Limit on X86 Limit on X64
Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB
192 GB
Windows 7 Enterprise 4 GB
192 GB
Windows 7 Professional 4 GB
192 GB
Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB
16 GB
Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB
8 GB
Windows 7 Starter 2 GB
Quote from Went Fishing:
..................it'll be nice to see where this goes.
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Quote from Bolimomo:
If you run 32-bit, you will be limited to 4GB of RAM. That makes your 8GB memory... half of it not usable.
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
I was planning to get the 64-bit. That would do the job, right Boli?
Quote from Sam Morgan:
I was planning to get the 64-bit. That would do the job, right Boli?
Building a PC - Part 1
Building a PC - Part 2
Building a PC - Part 3
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These were posted before, posted again for easy reference.
NewEgg - Build Your Own
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Cooler Master N620 cpu cooler
I need a new PC, I basically need something that can do numerical calculations very fast. Its self written code, but it is very numerically intensive.
In terms of graphics just needs to run two screens charting is not an issue. Also I need it to be quiet I hate the sounds of fans.
I have been shown the following configuration, is it any good.
AMD PhenomII X6 1075T 3.0GHz Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport
Technology
Noctua NH-C12P SE14 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
AMD 880G Chipset Black Series DDR3 Motherboard
NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti Overclocked Edition 1GB 256bit DDR5 DX11
Graphics Card
Corsair XMS 3 - 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz High Performance RAM
Seagate 500GB SATA3 7200rpm Hard Drive
Antec TruePower TP-750 Blue 750W 80+ Modular Gaming Power
Supply
24x Dual Layer DVD +/- Writer
Integrated 8.1 Channel HD Sound Card
Gigabit LAN - Broadband Ready
4 x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM socket
NZXT Whisper Silent Case
Good deal on monitor:
Hanns-G HZ201DPB 20"
Original price: $149.99
Our ET buddies here can get it for $89.99 + FREE SHIPPING!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...%20g%20hz201dpb
The above link will bring it down to 109.99. Add coupon code: EMCKBJH48 and this should take off another $20, bringing it down to $89.99.
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I need a new PC, I basically need something that can do numerical calculations very fast. Its self written code, but it is very numerically intensive.
In terms of graphics just needs to run two screens charting is not an issue. Also I need it to be quiet I hate the sounds of fans.
I have been shown the following configuration, is it any good.
AMD PhenomII X6 1075T 3.0GHz Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport
Technology
Noctua NH-C12P SE14 140mm SSO CPU Cooler
AMD 880G Chipset Black Series DDR3 Motherboard
NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti Overclocked Edition 1GB 256bit DDR5 DX11
Graphics Card
Corsair XMS 3 - 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz High Performance RAM
Seagate 500GB SATA3 7200rpm Hard Drive
Antec TruePower TP-750 Blue 750W 80+ Modular Gaming Power
Supply
24x Dual Layer DVD +/- Writer
Integrated 8.1 Channel HD Sound Card
Gigabit LAN - Broadband Ready
4 x 240-pin DDR3 DIMM socket
NZXT Whisper Silent Case
Power Supply:
This is another decent deal from Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16817139021
The link says it all. Use the coupon code to bring it down from 144.99 to 94.99. If someone is really going to buy this. let me know, as I think I may have a rebate form will will give you another $20 off (I'll have to dig this up).
Original price: $144.99
Price (after rebate): $74.99
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Quote from dont:
I need a new PC, I basically need something that can do numerical calculations very fast. Its self written code, but it is very numerically intensive.
In terms of graphics just needs to run two screens charting is not an issue. Also I need it to be quiet I hate the sounds of fans.
I have been shown the following configuration, is it any good.
Quote from Scataphagos:
Passmark score on i7-2600K = 9897
Passmark score on 1075T = 5851
Maybe you should consider Intel? That, and an SSD would likely boost your performance significantly over the above.
RE: Passmark score on i7-2600K = 9897
Hey you guys have high-end horse power... You should donate your unused CPU cycles during non-trading hours to the SETI project! LOL They are re-starting next month I heard.
Or to build your own intriguing fractal patterns...
Re: i7 2600k new build
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I had started some posts here for a new build...
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...=6&pagenumber=2
and I will re- post them in this thread for easy referencing as suggested by Bolimomo.
This build started as I had experienced trouble with a current machine, and felt it is best to assemble a new machine while trouble is resolved with older unit found here ...
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...threadid=222322
from previous post:
I just picked up these parts this evening.
I needed to get a new build as the current one has had some issues and until resolved I went for a new setup.
(blanked out salesman and store info in pic )
Purchase prices cheaper than sticker prices on boxes.
Intel i7 2600k
Asus P8p67 Pro
3 Asus ENGT 430 1 gb ddr3 vid cards ( running 6 monitors )
8 gb Corsiar vengeance ddr3 ( 2x4 )
OCZ 800w P/S
OCZ Agility 120gb SSD Sata lll 6 gbps
Installing W7 pro 64 OS
I will throw it together and post some feedback on the building and running it.
Re: Re: i7 2600k new build
Quote from Scataphagos:
I think I saw a 430 video card somewhere with passive cooling... no fan.
Re: Re: Re: i7 2600k new build
Quote from Bolimomo:
Like this? (ENGT430 DC SL/DI/1GD3)
http://usa.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/...#specifications
I don't know what "DirectCU" means. Do they have a fan on the top of the card, but only enclosed by an aluminum case? (The air pipe at the tail end... gotta serve a purpose.)
Re: Re: Re: Re: i7 2600k new build
Quote from Scataphagos:
Passmark of 695 is decent for a cheap, passive card unless it runs really hot. (My NVS 295s are only about 200 Passmark.)
Re: Re: Re: Re: i7 2600k new build
Quote from Scataphagos:
Didn't remember the passive 430 being an Asus model... thought it might be Zotac.
)
Quote from Bolimomo:
The CPU temperature on mine seemed kind of high! No wonder this room feels like a furnace! LOL
Quote from Bolimomo:
".........70-80C. That's hot! Enough to brew coffee!
Quote from Bolimomo:
I have been using the Intel heatsink and fan for the box1 and 2. Maybe I will install a Cooler Master push/pull heatsink on them to help out.
Let me see what my box3 temperature read says.... (it's a MSI board with i7-950 plus overclocking)... I do have a Cooler Master on it.
Quote from dont:
I have been shown the following configuration, is it any good.
AMD PhenomII X6 1075T 3.0GHz Six-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport
Technology
.....
NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti Overclocked Edition 1GB 256bit DDR5 DX11
Graphics Card
.....
Corsair XMS 3 - 8GB DDR3 1333Mhz High Performance RAM
.....
Seagate 500GB SATA3 7200rpm Hard Drive
Quote from Went Fishing:
Bolimomo
Just to be clear so there's no confusion, are you using the same box (case) for Box 1 & 2? Aren't you using the Antec P183 case? Do you use the same case fan set-ups?
As I sit here waiting for ibuypower to get my rig fixed (they said there was a problem with BOTH the power supply and the CPU. Argh!)
Anyhow, if I had it to do over again, I would have bought three 27" LCD backlight monitors, and mounted them on this for $70 in portrait mode. http://cgi.ebay.com/Triple-LCD-DESK...=item5196ddb77d
Eight 22"s on two Ergotron quad stands is more than I need for home. Yes, go ahead and say I told you so.
Three nice 27"s could be purchased for less than a grand with the above stand. The above stand would give me the height I would want as well.
Looks like if someone did what our resident bargain shoppers can do, you could have a nice 17-2600k setup with three large screens in portrait mode turn key for less than $2,000. Amazing!
Yes, go ahead and kick me now.
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Quote from Bolimomo:
Yes, decent. But a lot of the power for drawing 3D polygons with shading, shadows, translucence is used in drawing 2D candles with a flat red or green color. Okay maybe a white border too. LOL
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Quote from TIKITRADER:
Damn Boli , I need all the drawing power I can get my hands on.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: i7 2600k new build
Quote from Bolimomo:
Don't worry... while you may not realize your GPU has been repainting your red and green candles with white borders a few thousand times over every second to keep itself busy...
Quote from Bolimomo:
Do you index and bookmark everything I said??? LOL
Quote from Went Fishing:
I for one am glad you're here.
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Mobo + CPU Combo Deal:
Choose any Socket 1155 compatible mobo and get $40 off, when bought with Intel i3, i5 or i7.
The prices on these chipsets have been reduced too and that is what makes this combo a really good deal. The cheapest available out there. There's only one catch (maybe). It's in-store pick up. So, if you live by one, then you're golden. Otherwise use those contacts. Shipping comes to $10-12 to most part of the US.
http://www.microcenter.com/specials...ve40_promo.html
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As I sit here waiting for ibuypower to get my rig fixed (they said there was a problem with BOTH the power supply and the CPU. Argh!)
Anyhow, if I had it to do over again, I would have bought three 27" LCD backlight monitors, and mounted them on this for $70 in portrait mode. http://cgi.ebay.com/Triple-LCD-DESK...=item5196ddb77d
Eight 22"s on two Ergotron quad stands is more than I need for home. Yes, go ahead and say I told you so.
Three nice 27"s could be purchased for less than a grand with the above stand. The above stand would give me the height I would want as well.
Looks like if someone did what our resident bargain shoppers can do, you could have a nice 17-2600k setup with three large screens in portrait mode turn key for less than $2,000. Amazing!
Yes, go ahead and kick me now.
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I second that.
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So Sam are you ready to build the box? You have made me very impatient now! LOL
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When someone mentioned ibuypower in another thread, I wasn't familiar with them so I did a search. One of the threads that came back had a wide range of posts but made for interesting reading ... I'll be curious to see how you do with your rig.
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As I sit here waiting for ibuypower to get my rig fixed (they said there was a problem with BOTH the power supply and the CPU. Argh!)
Quote from LEAPup:
Eight 22"s on two Ergotron quad stands is more than I need for home. Yes, go ahead and say I told you so.
Three nice 27"s could be purchased for less than a grand with the above stand. The above stand would give me the height I would want as well.
(Evil laugh)...
Quote from Bolimomo:
Take it from me... You can never, ever, have too many monitors!
Quote from Scataphagos:
"... A wise man learns from his mistakes. A smart man learns from the mistakes of others..." -- Anon
Quote from RL8093:
Building a unit seems to provide a lot of great options (like the quiet case) that I can't get elsewhere - however, I question whether my available time & knowledge are up to it.
R
. Boli even cancelled his vacation to help out . With such a helpful and great bunch here, fasten those kahunas and prepare to build. I think the satisfaction of a self build far exceeds any super PC bought. Beside, you know what exactly is inside there. And the price.............that's the whole different story.
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Take it from me... You can never, ever, have too many monitors!
For 27-inch monitors... I think without adding resolution (like 2560 x 1600)... a little too coarse when looking at the images close-up. If you use them as a TV, you would typically sit 3 to 4 feet back. But as computer monitor, where you sit 1-2 feet away...
Yes, having eight 24"s at the office on two quad Ergotrons is nice. BUT, I have to literally roll my chair over to end monitors (on the right if that matters lol) at times which is a pain in the ass, but not something I have to do all day so no worries. Since I was able to buy four Quad Ergotron stands at a DEEP discount with the Firm offering to pay for a large portion of my office setup with nsa, I coulldn't turn that down. My home system I funded myself, but the two quad Ergotrons I got really cheap, and thought like a dumba** that I needed to buy eight monitors to mount on the high quality stands I basically have nothing in.
Quote from RL8093:
.... While the Dell outlet has some fantastic deals - you've got to watch the site pretty constantly to get the good ones & they are rarely configured the way I'd ideally like. Figuring out how easily I can reconfigure has not been easy (ie: how do I know if I can take 3500 and upgrade it to a Raid 1 setup?)(etc, etc). When I price out a Dell the way I'd like, I get sticker shock.
Building a unit seems to provide a lot of great options (like the quiet case) that I can't get elsewhere - however, I question whether my available time & knowledge are up to it ....
Believe me, those thoughts have been rolling around in my head for a while as I keep reading these thread updates ...
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RL8093, I have never built one myself and question my ability. However, I have all the greatest geeks by my side
Intel rapid storage technology
http://download.intel.com/support/c..._user_guide.pdf
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Also this video...
Raid array on Asus motherboard
Quote from RL8093:
On the flip side, not having that safety net of Dell American-based support is a bit disconcerting (although I haven't used them for several years)...
I'm looking forward to see how your assembly goes and what your final $$$'s look like...
All the best,
Ron
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Webcam: $5!!!
Meritline.com
The below item comes to $5!!! after applying the instant coupon code. Shipping is FREE.
Note: It is refurbished and only 1 per person.
Coupon code: MLCK81V2NL1
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Mouse:
MS Wireless Laser Mouse:
$11.99 - 76% off and FREE shipping for those with Prime or $25+ orders.
Note: Parents/Care givers can get Amazon Prime, FREE for 3months and students can get it for 6 months.
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Wir...13315543&sr=8-1
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GPU:
Low profile video card (Boli, I don't know how it will handle the with borders on the green and red candlesticks )
Original price: $55.99
Final price (after rebate): $19.99
AND a very nice little gift for FREE (See at the bottom of ad). A free baseball cap with Newegg logo (Good for Went Fishing................when you do go fishing )
![](http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3270400.png")
Amazon has some pretty good ratings on this too.
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-P...13316598&sr=1-1
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Once I put my machine together, I'll understand the complexity of the task. From having spoken to other ppl, the have told me that the word "complexity" is too big for a task this small. I'll defo. keep you updated.
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GPU:
Low profile video card (Boli, I don't know how it will handle the with borders on the green and red candlesticks
Easy, simple way to partition disk at a later time.
Step one
Partition/ Shrink Volume
( partition/ shrink volume step 1 previous post)
Partition
Step two
Partition / Shrink volume
Step 3
Partition/ shrink volume
Step 4 and final step
They can shrink down a partition size now? That's incredible!
Ok... the complexity comes in if you want to do something like a dual-boot with different versions of Windows on the same machine/disk. Or boot up Microsoft Windows and Linux OS.
Or setting up various virtual environments, like running MacOS in Windows, running Linux in Windows, running multiple virtual machines with various settings on the same physical box, mapping network drives, setting various active directory policies, setting MAC address filtering on your router to enable only your PC to access the internet, set up VPN to communicate with another machine at a remote location, set up firewalls....
okay Tiki go dig up some more videos!!!! LOL
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Partition / Shrink volume
Step 3
And Sam, our resident Shopping King...
Please find me some good deals on internal disk drives, 3 TB or above...
I have used this for multiple OS on same machine with good results and sooooooo easy to install and create new virtual machine.
I actually made a thread on it some years ago on TL
http://www.virtualbox.org/
And another one of my favorites for placing an iso file on a Flash stick with another OS on it and boot the new OS from the flash stick
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
Quote from Bolimomo:
And Sam, our resident Shopping King...
Please find me some good deals on internal disk drives, 3 TB or above...
)
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( edit : edit: I will give myself a little credit , I know where every item in every isle is located in Microcenter... hahahaha
Not a great image but I said I would post an updated pic of desk setup
There is also another HP laptop not shown and an ipad also not shown.
Great setup Tiki! You are not kidding about the exercise ball!
What models are your HP laptops? That's the only brand I use too. For whatever reasons... I became a HP guy. All my desktops, laptops... until I started my own brand. Unfortunately making your own laptop is a lot harder than putting the pieces together for a desktop. Laptop designs really are different animals. I hope I can do that someday... pull this chassis, pull that keyboard, this motherboard, that graphics chip, this LCD screen, that wifi adapter.
They are HP Pavillion dv 8000 ( 17 inch screen ) and dv 6000 ( 15 inch ). They have been around a little while but do the job very well. Both have XP os and The dv6000 is an AMD turion 64 x2 (dual core)
while the dv 8000 has an AMD turion.
My older one is HP dv9730us. Shows its age. The current one is dv8t 1100 featuring i7 720QM processor.
I like the speed of the new laptop. A bit faster. But it has an issue that the wifi button will go on and off randomly (and the treble/bass softkeys as well). It is really annoying. It is a design flaw of some sort. I am really disappointed that HP won't acknowledge the problem and won't do recalls. So far I have returned this new laptop to HP once... screen connection issue. The last HP laptop dv9730 I sent back 3 times. 2 disk drive problems and 1 motherboard problem. My confidence in HP laptop is not very high. Their desktops are better. I had 4 HP (Compaq) boxes and all worked well.
SSD is the way to go...
Today's price... it is still high
Intel 320 Series 600 GB SATA 3.0 Gb-s
Buy new: $1,206.13
The 120 GB Intel SSD that I installed on my laptop... Already 90% full! I don't know where the storage went!!! Want to get a 250 GB SSD but the price seems still high. Perhaps wait for a year.
But before too long... we will all be running multiple 600 GB SSD on a RAID-5 configuration on our desktop.
Quote from Bolimomo:
SSD is the way to go...
Today's price... it is still high
Intel 320 Series 600 GB SATA 3.0 Gb-s
Buy new: $1,206.13
The 120 GB Intel SSD that I installed on my laptop... Already 90% full! I don't know where the storage went!!!
But before too long... we will all be running multiple 600 GB SSD on a RAID-5 configuration on our desktop.
RAID Made Easy
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1943..._made_easy.html
Quote from TIKITRADER:
.................but there are some great sales on SSD.
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Please find me some good deals on internal disk drives, 3 TB or above...
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Boli, would a 2TB suffice?. Btw, what are you using this for? I find it hard to fill my 500GB?
Also, does 5400 rpm work or do you need 7200rpm+. What about SATA, 3 or 6?
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Quote from Bolimomo:
I checked the Passmark score and it seems pretty good.
Passmark "Average G3G Mark"
GeForce GT 520: 360
Compared to my "benchmark models":
Quadro NVS 295: 203
GeForce 8400 GS: 139
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
Your bench mark model is on sale for $19.99 (after rebate)
Quote from Scataphagos:
Wouldn't you rather have video cards without fans?
Regarding filling SSD's up ... you don't need to if you are disciplined about disk management.
I'm still using an old 32G one with no issues on W7x64 but I run core OS and Programs on the SSD, data on a ramdisk or a hard disk and non core programs on a hard disk. It does require planning though.
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That's why you can win the argument, prove them wrong, and still they believe what they did in the first place. You've attacked the wrong thing.
So what do you do? Agree to disagree. Or fight. - C. Zakalwe.
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Boli, would a 2TB suffice?. Btw, what are you using this for? I find it hard to fill my 500GB?
Also, does 5400 rpm work or do you need 7200rpm+. What about SATA, 3 or 6?
Quote from kiwi_trader:
Regarding filling SSD's up ... you don't need to if you are disciplined about disk management.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Speed is not important. Lower rpm okay, SATA 3 okay.
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
However, if you are willing to wait, I can try and get you one for under $100 with FREE shipping (that's with out rebates).
Btw, do you do rebates
Thanks Sam!
Boli, if you can do 2 HDD, then this is a pretty good deal and these Seagate Barracudas tend to have pretty good reviews.
In this case, you would get 4TB for $129.98. Direct sale; no need to deal with rebates.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0334239
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
In this case, you would get 4TB for $129.98. Direct sale; no need to deal with rebates.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...duct_id=0334239
AI Suite II overview
Good info
This is the same suite I currently use.
Asus Suite ll Overview
Virtual Box
http://www.virtualbox.org/
From the Guide:
1.7 Creating your first virtual machine
Click on the New button at the top of the VirtualBox Manager window. A wizard will pop up
to guide you through setting up a new virtual machine (VM):
On the following pages, the wizard will ask you for the bare minimum of information that is
needed to create a VM, in particular:
1. The VM name will later be shown in the VM list of the VirtualBox Manager window, and
it will be used for the VMs files on disk. Even though any name could be used, keep in
mind that once you have created a few VMs, you will appreciate if you have given your
VMs rather informative names; My VM would thus be less useful than Windows XP SP2
with OpenOffice.
2. For Operating System Type, select the operating system that you want to install later.
The supported operating systems are grouped; if you want to install something very unusual
that is not listed, select Other. Depending on your selection, VirtualBox will enable
or disable certain VM settings that your guest operating system may require. This is particularly
important for 64-bit guests (see chapter 3.1.2, 64-bit guests, page 42). It is therefore
recommended to always set it to the correct value.
select Ram amount
3. On the next page, select the memory (RAM) that VirtualBox should allocate every time
the virtual machine is started. The amount of memory given here will be taken away from
your host machine and presented to the guest operating system, which will report this size
as the (virtual) computers installed RAM.
Note: Choose this setting carefully! The memory you give to the VM will not be
available to your host OS while the VM is running, so do not specify more than you can
spare. For example, if your host machine has 1 GB of RAM and you enter 512 MB as
the amount of RAM for a particular virtual machine, while that VM is running, you will
only have 512 MB left for all the other software on your host. If you run two VMs at
the same time, even more memory will be allocated for the second VM (which may not
even be able to start if that memory is not available). On the other hand, you should
specify as much as your guest OS (and your applications) will require to run properly.
A Windows XP guest will require at least a few hundred MB RAM to run properly, and
Windows Vista will even refuse to install with less than 512 MB. Of course, if you want to
run graphics-intensive applications in your VM, you may require even more RAM.
So, as a rule of thumb, if you have 1 GB of RAM or more in your host computer, it is usually
safe to allocate 512 MB to each VM. But, in any case, make sure you always have at least
256 to 512 MB of RAM left on your host operating system. Otherwise you may cause your
host OS to excessively swap out memory to your hard disk, effectively bringing your host
system to a standstill.
As with the other settings, you can change this setting later, after you have created the VM.
Create Hard Disk for VM
4. Next, you must specify a virtual hard disk for your VM.
There are many and potentially complicated ways in which VirtualBox can provide hard
disk space to a VM (see chapter 5, Virtual storage, page 74 for details), but the most
common way is to use a large image file on your real hard disk, whose contents VirtualBox
presents to your VM as if it were a complete hard disk. This file represents an entire hard
disk then, so you can even copy it to another host and use it with another VirtualBox
installation.
The wizard shows you the following window:
Here you have the following options:
1 First steps
To create a new, empty virtual hard disk, press the New button.
You can pick an existing disk image file.
The drop-down list presented in the window contains all disk images which are currently
remembered by VirtualBox, probably because they are currently attached to a
virtual machine (or have been in the past).
Alternatively, you can click on the small folder button next to the drop-down list to
bring up a standard file dialog, which allows you to pick any disk image file on your
host disk.
Most probably, if you are using VirtualBox for the first time, you will want to create a new
disk image. Hence, press the New button.
This brings up another window, the Create New Virtual Disk Wizard, which helps you
create a new disk image file in the new virtual machines folder.
VirtualBox supports two types of image files:
A dynamically allocated file will only grow in size when the guest actually stores
data on its virtual hard disk. It will therefore initially be small on the host hard drive
and only later grow to the size specified as it is filled with data.
A fixed-size file will immediately occupy the file specified, even if only a fraction of
the virtual hard disk space is actually in use. While occupying much more space, a
fixed-size file incurs less overhead and is therefore slightly faster than a dynamically
allocated file.
For details about the differences, please refer to chapter 5.2, Disk image files (VDI, VMDK,
VHD, HDD), page 76.
To prevent your physical hard disk from running full, VirtualBox limits the size of the image
file. Still, it needs to be large enough to hold the contents of your operating system and the
applications you want to install for a modern Windows or Linux guest, you will probably
need several gigabytes for any serious use:
After having selected or created your image file, again press Next to go to the next page.
5. After clicking on Finish, your new virtual machine will be created. You will then see it
in the list on the left side of the Manager window, with the name you entered initially.
Disk Size
1.8.1 Starting a new VM for the first time
When a VM gets started for the first time, another wizard the First Start Wizard will
pop up to help you select an installation medium. Since the VM is created empty, it would
otherwise behave just like a real computer with no operating system installed: it will do nothing
and display an error message that no bootable operating system was found.
For this reason, the wizard helps you select a medium to install an operating system from.
If you have physical CD or DVD media from which you want to install your guest operating
system (e.g. in the case of a Windows installation CD or DVD), put the media into your
hosts CD or DVD drive.
Then, in the wizards drop-down list of installation media, select Host drive with the
correct drive letter (or, in the case of a Linux host, device file). This will allow your VM to
access the media in your host drive, and you can proceed to install from there.
If you have downloaded installation media from the Internet in the form of an ISO image
file (most probably in the case of a Linux distribution), you would normally burn this file
to an empty CD or DVD and proceed as just described. With VirtualBox however, you can
skip this step and mount the ISO file directly. VirtualBox will then present this file as a CD
or DVD-ROM drive to the virtual machine, much like it does with virtual hard disk images.
For this case, the wizards drop-down list contains a list of installation media that were
previously used with VirtualBox.
If your medium is not in the list (especially if you are using VirtualBox for the first time),
select the small folder icon next to the drop-down list to bring up a standard file dialog,
with which you can pick the image file on your host disks.
In both cases, after making the choices in the wizard, you will be able to install your operating
system.
First run wizard
Install the OS in the new machine
That is it for the basic install.
You can do a lot with this once you create a new machine.
Here is the Virtual Box link to the User Guide and download
I kept it real simple to demonstrate an new install of a VB Machine and there is more to it that can be found here.
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
I did not create the previous machine that was for demonstrating only.
This is an old image I posted some years back with a new machine running a test copy of w7 in another computer
Many are probably using Virtual Box or something like it already, just wanted to post this info for anyone who may be interested or even new to VM.
Still a five star thread!
I'm going to take the afternoon off, drive to one of the Institutes for Technology in my area, and take a final exam to get my computer degree after reading this thread a few times.
(J/K )
Memory:
Corsair $9!!! No rebates; Direct sale!
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Memory:
Corsair $9!!! No rebates; Direct sale!
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Still a five star thread!
Quote from Bolimomo:
I had rated this thread as 5-star long time ago and it still had not shown up.
Let me pimp a little bit... To our dear viewers: if you think you have picked up some useful information reading this thread, please do a thread rating at the bottom of the page. ET has a policy to only show a thread's rating when more than X number of viewers have voted. Reward TIKITRADER's relentless effort in pulling information together and post in one place.
Quote from LEAPup:
I voted 5. Didn't see anything show up either. Guess it takes several votes from members?
Quote from Bolimomo:
It takes a minimum of 5 or something...
I think I'm going to tell him to tap his savings for something he and I can build over a weekend rather than use mine for gaming. Gotta draw the line in the sand somewhere.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I had rated this thread as 5-star long time ago and it still had not shown up.
Let me pimp a little bit... To our dear viewers: if you think you have picked up some useful information reading this thread, please do a thread rating at the bottom of the page. ET has a policy to only show a thread's rating when more than X number of viewers have voted. Reward TIKITRADER's relentless effort in pulling information together and post in one place.
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Rating? How to do? I don't have a "rate this thread" choice.
One word: McAfee... LOL
Yeah, the best is to remove the temptation. A kid wouldn't know Daddy missed a $10000 opportunity because he wants to play Doom (or whatever the equivalent is today) with an online pal...
Ah! Five-star, finally!!! Thank you thank you thank you!
Tikitrader you deserve some recognition!
Five more.
Some information from Microsoft about combining multiple physical disk drives to form a virtual volume. They call it "Dynamic Disk".
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363785(v=VS.85).aspx
Got some temperature readings from RealTemp.
The one on left: i7-950 (faster processor) with a Cooler Master heatsink. The one on right: i7-930 with an Intel provided heatsink. Both under normal working conditions. Taken starting at about 10:00 am PDT.
The difference is about 10 to 15 degree Celcius, consistently. These added heatsinks do work... keeping the CPU nice and cool. I would imagine when the market gets hot and heavy, where the CPU need to crank up more calculations, the temperature will heat up a bit more. High temps are observed near market closed, 13:00 PDT.
I would like to say a very sincere Thank You for all the tremendously kind feedback.
More than anything I Thank You for all the contributions filled with endless knowledge from everyone of you, and the amount of time / efforts each has dedicated to help others.
What a kind and giving donation of experience on your part.
I only initiated a thread to hopefully help people out, and it has grown into an amazing catalog of knowledge completely because so many talented computer techies are posting like mad
I greatly appreciate all the shared experience and can only imagine how much readers are enjoying this thread.
This has really become a nice place to stop in and learn, including myself.
Tiki you need to give yourself more credit. Thanks for taking the lead!
2nd Generation IntelŽ Core
Processor Family Desktop and IntelŽ
PentiumŽ Processor Family Desktop,
and LGA1155 Socket
Thermal Mechanical Specifications and Design Guidelines (TMSDG)
Supporting the IntelŽ Core i7, i5 and i3 Desktop Processor Series and
IntelŽ PentiumŽ Processor G800 and G600 Series
May 2011
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/do...ocket-guide.pdf
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I had rated this thread as 5-star long time ago and it still had not shown up.
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Tiki you need to give yourself more credit. Thanks for taking the lead!
Digital Thermal Sensors and the DTS
based Thermal Specification for the
IntelŽ Core i7 Processor
(Bloomfield)
http://lenry.atw.hu/tjmax.pdf
I have been running antimalware, and cpu temps rise some when running.
Here is an image of those temps with Asus probe ll and Real Temp running side by side.
Note: I am just running RT as is at this moment, I have not calibrated the distance to TJMax as of yet.
I will do that when time permits
Real Temp Document page
http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/docs.php
Note: Asus takes CPU temp at the socket.
Real Temp is the temp of the CPU cores
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Digital Thermal Sensors and the DTS
based Thermal Specification for the
IntelŽ Core i7 Processor
(Bloomfield)
http://lenry.atw.hu/tjmax.pdf
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It seems that they may have bated-and-switched the link. This "lenry.atw.hu" may be up to no good? I only saw ad banners and no content.
Try this. I made a zip of the pdf for that file.
Digital Thermal Sensors and the DTS
based Thermal Specification
Quote from TIKITRADER:
I just noticed your post. I tried the link in the reply from you and it opened for me. Maybe I was lucky
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Where is the link to BUY BUY BUY? I need 128GB for my home SETI project!
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Tiki you need to give yourself more credit. Thanks for taking the lead!
. Tiki, thanks again for this thread. I know without it, I and many others would have to spend $100s more to get a system put together. This thread not only explains, but encourages. I would take this support anyday over Dell , AND it's FREE!.__________________
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Thank you BIGTIME Boli for all your knowledge here .
Quote from Sam Morgan:
Viva Corona!!!
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Memory:
Corsair $9!!! No rebates; Direct sale!
What's the deal with this besides being a distraction? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811999215
It would be nice to be able to monitor temps as I use NUMEROUS studies. It would be even nicer to be able to turn up the fans to a max setting in a fast market with NUMEROUS calculations going on at the same time if need be. However, how does one trade without emotion while worrying about internal temperatures all the time?
Don't think I'd want one of these on the front of a case, but my Son says he wants one. Lol! Kids...
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Band of Corona Brothers! LOL
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How I love this forum!. Whenever I have issues, I know where to come.
I had called Bright House to come and install an extension. The person that came over looked at the task at hand and said, "We don't do this................It's hot today, you got Coke?". I'm thinking to myself, "Are YOU on crack coke!!!". Anyway, I gave him a Coke and he was on his way
So this is the problem. I have my router and modem in the laundry room, which is adjacent to my home office. I want to have the rest of the house working on wireless, so the router will remain attached to the modem. I was going to have an ethernet wire (Cat5/6) plugged to the router, run it up the attic and fish it down the office wall (plate would sit behind my desk, which is against the wall - this wall is an exterior wall) and connect it directly to the desktop.
The questions I have are as follows:
1) I'm ok with plugging the ethernet male to the router female. What happens at the plate end? Would I use a female to female coupler (as shown below) at the plate and have the ethernet male plugged to one side of the female-female coupler (from the inside)? This would leave the other female exposed to the outer face of the plate to which I would have another male-male ethernet cable; one end plugged at the plate and the other end going to the desktop. Would this be correct?
2) How do I fish wires up and down the wall (never done it before; handy work inclined )
3) Cat 5 or Cat 6? Prices are roughly the same.
4) Is this type of connection as good as modem-ethernet-desktop connection?
Thanks.
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(See each question)
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Good timing for this thread. I have one blown EVGA GeForce 7600GT card and one not far behind on my trading computer. The one has 6 of the silo shaped items(yes I forget what they are at the moment) and the good one I can see 1 maybe 2 popped all ready.
They are 4 years old, but still annoying. Debating switching brands, but I see the research here seems to have led you to EVGA.
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Good timing for this thread. I have one blown EVGA GeForce 7600GT card and one not far behind on my trading computer. The one has 6 of the silo shaped items(yes I forget what they are at the moment) and the good one I can see 1 maybe 2 popped all ready.
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They are capacitors. They pop like popcorns when the temperature gets really hot.
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So this is the problem. I have my router and modem in the laundry room, which is adjacent to my home office. I want to have the rest of the house working on wireless, so the router will remain attached to the modem. I was going to have an ethernet wire (Cat5/6) plugged to the router, run it up the attic and fish it down the office wall (plate would sit behind my desk, which is against the wall - this wall is an exterior wall) and connect it directly to the desktop.
The questions I have are as follows:
1) I'm ok with plugging the ethernet male to the router female. What happens at the plate end? Would I use a female to female coupler (as shown below) at the plate and have the ethernet male plugged to one side of the female-female coupler (from the inside)? This would leave the other female exposed to the outer face of the plate to which I would have another male-male ethernet cable; one end plugged at the plate and the other end going to the desktop. Would this be correct?
2) How do I fish wires up and down the wall (never done it before; handy work inclined
3) Cat 5 or Cat 6? Prices are roughly the same.
4) Is this type of connection as good as modem-ethernet-desktop connection?
Thanks.
Quote from Bolimomo:
They are capacitors. They pop like popcorns when the temperature gets really hot.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I am not clear on your situation and what you want to do. How is your desktop connected to the router now? When you said "modem", is it a cable modem? DSL modem? (God fobidden...) 56k modem over a phone line?
The best is hard-wired connection with RJ-45 cables. But with today's technologies, the wireless 300N wifi router works very well too. That's what I am using. 300N Dual Band router. The throughput to my desktops can be as high as 18Mbps through wifi, which is almost the same as a wired connection. If running a CAT5/6 cable deems difficult, you can consider the wifi solution.
RE: 1) I'm ok with plugging the ethernet male to the router female. What happens at the plate end? Would I use a female to female coupler (as shown below) at the plate and have the ethernet male plugged to one side of the female-female coupler (from the inside)? This would leave the other female exposed to the outer face of the plate to which I would have another male-male ethernet cable; one end plugged at the plate and the other end going to the desktop. Would this be correct?
I am totally lost on this question. What is a "plate"?
RE: 4) Is this type of connection as good as modem-ethernet-desktop connection?
Again, not sure what "this type of connection" mean. If at all possible, one continuous wire is always better than splitting/coupling. Every time you join, you lose something.
P.S. I am surprised that your contractor didn't ask "Hey... you've got Corona?????" Burp!
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Quote from Bolimomo:
I might have misunderstood about high temp being the cause.
Read up on wiki if you are interested in the cause of capacitor pops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Is PCIe 2.0 x16 going to be incompatible with the board? I will replace both Video cards at this point?
Quote from Sam Morgan:
My results are below. However, note that I am subscribed for 10Mbps internet speed. Most of the times (98% ok) the wireless router seems ok. I'm just wondering if it's hard-wired the performance would be better and disruptions would be less, if any.
Quote from Sam Morgan:
RE: 1) I'm ok with plugging the ethernet male to the router female. What happens at the plate end? Would I use a female to female coupler (as shown below) at the plate and have the ethernet male plugged to one side of the female-female coupler (from the inside)? This would leave the other female exposed to the outer face of the plate to which I would have another male-male ethernet cable; one end plugged at the plate and the other end going to the desktop. Would this be correct?
I mean... you can punch a hole in the wall, and just run a long RJ45 patch cord from your PC through the wall to the router. And a picture of it will end up at Jay Leno's show...
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... you can punch a hole in the wall, and just run a long RJ45 patch cord from your PC through the wall to the router.
Quote from taclander:
Is PCIe 2.0 x16 going to be incompatible with the board? I will replace both Video cards at this point?
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Good article, thanks. Yes, PCI . I guess I am going to have to figure what will be compatible with my ASUS P5 N32. I think I have 2 PCI expressx 16 slots, a PCI Express x1, and 2 PCI's. If you have more thoughts on good replacements I'd appreciate it.
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if you want an outlet/wall plate behind your desk against an outside wall, then I have to ask, is the outside wall concrete block? or wood studs? If the wall is an outside wall, where's the roof rafters? how much overhang do you have on your roof and what's the pitch. I ask this because you may find yourself laying in 6/8 inches of insulation in a 130 degree Florida attic (this is why... "we don't do this") just inches from the eves without enough room to stand up a drill gun to drill a hole (not good). Vaulted ceilings are another story altogether, fishing wire against a concrete wall can be next to impossible, for many reasons. Can you get under the house, or is it built on a concrete slab (just asking)?
.....
Not having to deal with pulling wires and punching walls and jack-hammering concrete floor...
Thanks for the suggestions and answer. 2 monitors sucks when you are used to 4.
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What the hell's the modem doing in the laundry room????
Do you have TV/ISP cable in your office space?
Do you own the house?
Are you limited to one ISP/TV cable connection, do you have cable outlets in other rooms (office behind the desk?)?
I don't understand not moving the modem or wireless access point.
This could get wordy,,, if you want an outlet/wall plate behind your desk against an outside wall, then I have to ask, is the outside wall concrete block? or wood studs? If the wall is an outside wall, where's the roof rafters? how much overhang do you have on your roof and what's the pitch. I ask this because you may find yourself laying in 6/8 inches of insulation in a 130 degree Florida attic (this is why... "we don't do this") just inches from the eves without enough room to stand up a drill gun to drill a hole (not good). Vaulted ceilings are another story altogether, fishing wire against a concrete wall can be next to impossible, for many reasons. Can you get under the house, or is it built on a concrete slab (just asking)?
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You have subscribed to a 10Mbps internet speed. Your test showed a download of 9.58Mbps. That's pretty darn good!
If I were you, I wouldn't worry about going hardwired. Reasons:
1. You said the wireless router, in the laundry room, is just next to your home office. So your wifi router is very close to your wifi receiver on your PC although they are separated by a wall. Signal attenuation is not a problem. With wifi transmission, the farther away you are from the transmitter the weaker the signal. And the effect is not linear. More like parabolic. Since they are so close to each other, they should be okay.
2. The wireless G standard (802.11g) has an average throughput of 22 Mbit/s. Which is roughly 3Mbps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#802.11g
The G router would not be good enough for you. But the wireless N standard (802.11n) has an approximately 300 Mbps of rated (theoretical) bandwidth. That's like... A LOT! A wireless N router and USB wifi dongle should do the job.
The only thing I would worry about is having many devices splitting the wireless bandwidth. If you have only 1 PC, 1 router, stay wifi. 2 PCs, 1 router, still stay wifi. More? then we'll see.
3. It will save you money not having to drill holes on the wall and run cables.
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Boli, I did a little research and what you have above here is spot on. If your trading knowledge is anything like your IT/PC knowledge, I should hold you up for some ransom
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[QUOTE]The G router would not be good enough for you. But the wireless N standard (802.11n) has an approximately 300 Mbps of rated (theoretical) bandwidth. That's like... A LOT! A wireless N router and USB wifi dongle should do the job.
![](http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3275408.png")
The only thing I would worry about is having many devices splitting the wireless bandwidth. If you have only 1 PC, 1 router, stay wifi. 2 PCs, 1 router, still stay wifi. More? then we'll see.
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Hey if you decide to kidnap me, would you please send in the lady in the Corona ad? With some supply of Corona of course. I am very willing to cooperate.
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Boli, this seems slightly different and (maybe) more appropriate.
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Power...A/ref=de_a_smtd
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Guys, I've looked at a coupe of wireless network adaptors and have narrowed it down to these two (if I go this route, which is very likely).
Opinions and suggestions would be appreciated.
http://www.amazon.com/Medialink-Wir...id=NPAX3RSPANCD
http://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN...id=NPAX3RSPANCD
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*Note: I am on a 5 year old Macbook Pro (maybe the lag is with the processor, RAM upgraded to 4GB)
Quote from Sam Morgan:
Guys, I've looked at a coupe of wireless network adaptors and have narrowed it down to these two (if I go this route, which is very likely).
Opinions and suggestions would be appreciated.
http://www.amazon.com/Medialink-Wir...id=NPAX3RSPANCD
http://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN...id=NPAX3RSPANCD
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I haven't used those wall-wire Ethernet gadget before. I don't have any first hand experience. Years ago I had tried those for telephone extensions over the power lines. It seemed they got a lot of statics so I was not a big fan. But that was long ago. Maybe the technology had improved quite a bit.
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It looks very likely that I might go with one of these cards after much research. Once I get a little time, I will put up a lengthy post on connections esp. going in depth on the new powerline adapters.
For now, I need an opinion on my last bit of Amazon/Newegg/TigerDirect shopping
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What's the deal with this besides being a distraction? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811999215
It would be nice to be able to monitor temps as I use NUMEROUS studies. It would be even nicer to be able to turn up the fans to a max setting in a fast market with NUMEROUS calculations going on at the same time if need be. However, how does one trade without emotion while worrying about internal temperatures all the time?
Don't think I'd want one of these on the front of a case, but my Son says he wants one. Lol! Kids...
Easy way to pass a wire directly through a wall for two adjoining rooms ( one plate to each wall ) neatly and keep the wire one single run no breaks.
Cheap and efficient. Requires drilling a small hole through the sheetrock which is very simple.
http://www.apexcamera.com/PowerBrid...-B003CJTQ6U.htm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-m...ie=UTF8&index=0
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Tiki, how did you label this pic?
If FIOS is offered in your area it is something to consider.
Here are speeds as of now.
Boli workin' your butt off here . Great posts !
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If FIOS is offered in your area it is something to consider.
Here are speeds as of now.
Wireless Network USB:
I found a decent deal on this and since it had some really good review, I thought it might be worth my while for the price.
For the impatient souls , I'm almost ready to put this thing together. My apologies for the delay (being a father for the first time is hard )
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002RM08RE
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Wireless Network USB:
I found a decent deal on this and since it had some really good review, I thought it might be worth my while for the price.
For the impatient souls
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For the impatient souls
j/k
I have posted this site in past.
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
Here is a step by step to create a usb flash drive with Linux that you can boot from.
It is handy to have a spare os loaded with your customized desktop to take anywhere you go or to just use for home purposes.
Sort of your personal mini computer ( jk ! ) on a key chain ( as long as you have a computer to boot it !)
Insert a usb flash stick in the computer ( make sure there is enough GB, try at least 4 - check to see if it is formatted FAT32)
Now...
First, and this is so simple now, download the universal usb installer here
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/univer...-easy-as-1-2-3/
Download a version of Linux that you want to use... here are some
http://www.linuxmint.com/
See attached image to start...
From the universal installer-
Select a version of Linux from the drop list in step one.
Step two: open browse and find the Linux iso file you had just downloaded and select it.
Step 3 select the usb letter ( usb flash stick is installed in an available usb slot on the computer )
Finally click create.
Next confirm the setup
Pendrive/ bootable flash is being created
Flash is complete !!
Now you can remove the flash stick and take it anywhere you go and launch your own custom setup on another computer or even launch it on your home computer
Now if you want you can keep the flash in the computer.
Restart your computer and enter your BIOS .
(usually pressing delete button upon restart you can access the BIOS. Check with your motherboard )
In the bios setting go to boot.
Select the USB Flash you just created from the list and make it #1 to boot from, or just select boot from USB.
That's it ! Sit back and watch Linux open up and you have a new machine. Now customize Linux to your needs and take it everywhere you go that you can boot it. Or, use it around home.
Enjoy !!
(side note : nothing to do with the usb flash .... dont forget you can use the Linux iso file to create a new virtual machine.( Virtual Box ) with a virtual machine you can run windows and linux, or whatever you choose simultaneously on the same computer. )
Linux Mint 10 running on the i7 2600k build from a USB flash stick
( see previous posts for installing )
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I have posted this site in past.
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
Here is a step by step to create a usb flash drive with Linux that you can boot from.
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I tried to figure out if there is any good justifications for maintaining some linux environments. The key factor is the applications. What are you going to use that would demand linux but not windows? License costs aside. There are many free apps in the linux world... and less headaches facing viruses. (Or is it viri?) Image editing? Maybe. Dunno. The same hesitation caused me never look at the Mac world.
So... what apps do you run linux for?
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free justifies ?
From a trading perspective I would definitely want to contemplate it if there are trading apps that support Linux.
Also... instead of building a bootable USB thumb drive, can we build a bootable linux DVD? (Or maybe DVD-DL to get 9GB). It would be cheaper to do a DVD than flash drive.
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Also... instead of building a bootable USB thumb drive, can we build a bootable linux DVD? (Or maybe DVD-DL to get 9GB). It would be cheaper to do a DVD than flash drive.
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A dumb question: What is Linux?
j/k
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My older Dell workstation has a ducted shroud over each CPU with a dedicated fan on each to ensure the heat goes directly out of the case. Is that not an option with any of these cases / CPU coolers? Seems that you'd want to get that heat out of the case as directly / quickly as possible....
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Installed the CoolMaster after the thermal paste was applied and spread evenly for good contact. I will have the fan blow air to the rear of the case. It will blow through the grills on the cooler pushing the air out to rear exhaust fan.
Success at last! I will start posting my experience this week.
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My older Dell workstation has a ducted shroud over each CPU with a dedicated fan on each to ensure the heat goes directly out of the case. Is that not an option with any of these cases / CPU coolers? Seems that you'd want to get that heat out of the case as directly / quickly as possible....
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Success at last! I will start posting my experience this week.
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Success at last! I will start posting my experience this week.
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Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet???
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We are ready to launch!. It was a little trickier than I thought. However, if I had to do it again, I think 1-2 hrs should be sufficient. Whoever said it was a joke to put a box together, was surely correct.
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Virtual Box
http://www.virtualbox.org/
From the Guide:
1.7 Creating your first virtual machine
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Congrats ! Fire it up and lets see it !
) and they seemed to work fine. So the monitors are ok. __________________
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Back to the drawing board.
So when i had finished putting this box together, I tested it and it allowed me to play with the BIOS. I set a few things in there (nothing out of the norm.) and shut the machine down.
Yesterday, I wanted to install Win 7, MS Office, anti virus etc. However, when I switched on the machine, the monitor could not get the signal.
Troubleshooting:
1) I swapped the monitor with the ones running right now via my Macbook (Boli
2) I tried connecting via each of the GPU (DVI and VGA), no luck.
3) I removed all the GPU's and then installed one and tried it this way. I repeated it with the other two. No luck either.
The mobo seems to be ok; no funny bleeps or sounds and the machine seems to start up just fine.
I really was not expecting this, so I'm a little disappointed. However, I remain optimistic and will get this up and running.
Any suggestions for now?
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Does the video cars get a power supply connection by cable from the p/s ?
If so did you check to see if you connected the power to the card ?
GPU gets power from the PSU. The connections seem to be working ok. You may be on track as I did not troubleshoot the connection. I will try this.
One card only, re-seat the card.
Make sure the card is all the way into the slot and you may hear a click when it is installed all the way and seated correctly.
The cards are set properly; it worked the first time round.
Swap out for another video cable to connect monitor to computer. Try both the dvi and vga again with the different cable.
I've already tried this to no avail.
Did you check to see if the monitor itself is plugged in to an outlet?
Checked! Funny how the obvious can be overlooked sometimes.
Do you know what you may have changed in bios ?
I changed the following (to what I can remember):
Time
Date
System performance (to performance)
Turbo mode (enabled)
Anti-surge [/b]
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- How do you know that the motherboard is on (with power) and that only the monitor not getting video signal?
- Are there any LED on the motherboard? Did they come on when you have switched the power on? Did the CPU heatsink fan come on?
- I can't remember your motherboard model... is there any onboard video? (If I remember it correctly it doesn't).
The first thing to do probably is to reset back to factory settings on your CMOS. I believe that can be done by removing the onboard tiny battery for more than 5 minutes or so and put it back in. Then power on again to see if you can get into BIOS/CMOS.
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I changed the following (to what I can remember):
Time
Date
System performance (to performance)
Turbo mode (enabled)
Anti-surge
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The first thing to do probably is to reset back to factory settings on your CMOS. I believe that can be done by removing the onboard tiny battery for more than 5 minutes or so and put it back in. Then power on again to see if you can get into BIOS/CMOS.
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[quote]How do you know that the motherboard is on (with power) and that only the monitor not getting video signal?
Did the CPU heatsink fan come on?
I can't remember your motherboard model... is there any onboard video? (If I remember it correctly it doesn't).
The first thing to do probably is to reset back to factory settings on your CMOS. I believe that can be done by removing the onboard tiny battery for more than 5 minutes or so and put it back in. Then power on again to see if you can get into BIOS/CMOS.
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[B]
I would take it out of turbo/ performance mode as you have not even installed the motherboard drivers as of yet correct ? Get the OS installed and the m/b drivers then switch to performance/turbo.( nothing to do with monitors, just highlighting the order for installation )
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Yes. Many motherboards have a jumper you can bridge to reset to factory settings. Check the manual. A paper clip will do the job.
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Yes by clearing the cmos settings you can go to default.
AS mentioned look at the motherboard manual.
On the bottom right of the mb is a jumper reset. The jumper is in pins one and two .
You need to unplug the computer. Pull out the cmos battery.
Move the jumpers to pins two and three for ten seconds.
Move back jumper to pins one and two and then install the battery again.
Plug back in computer , make sure monitor is connected, start up, look for the splash screen to come on monitor.
Also the red light on the motherboard, its it one if the diagnostic led's ?
Check the mb manual because the asus mb have a built in led diagnostic system
Into the board, and if one remains lit you check the manual to see what section of the board is having the problems.
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The first thing to do probably is to reset back to factory settings on your CMOS. I believe that can be done by removing the onboard tiny battery for more than 5 minutes or so and put it back in. Then power on again to see if you can get into BIOS/CMOS.
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I will try this if all else fails.
Sam I'm sure you've checked most of what I'm going to say but, maybe not.
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No I think this is not the last resort. It should be the first in order to make sure you have a reference starting point.
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I changed the following (to what I can remember):
Time
Date
System performance (to performance)
Turbo mode (enabled)
Anti-surge
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How much memory do you have installed at this time ?
?
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I changed the following (to what I can remember):
Why do I get a feeling
Went Fishing been doing this a long time and knows just a little more than he wants you to think he does
Great informative posts from everyone
Sam,
Here is a diagram of the onboard led's for the Asus p8p67 pro. Probably similar to your board. If these led's remain lit it will highlight the area with trouble.
A good working board will have a green system good light, these led's are red. At least on this model.
System on and ok
Jumper clear reset CMOS
jumper reset Clear
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[QUOTE]Did you "plug" your HDD into the turbo socket? I don't think that's necessary if your not into OCing same for the Anti-surge, this can come later. I'd connect to SATA 3.0 6gig socket #1 to start.
And, in what slots do you have it installed in? Some MB manufacturers use the DIMM slots closest to the CPU as the primary slots, others use the slots further away to compensate for the use of HUGE cpu coolers on MBs used mainly by OCers, Dual channel memory needs pairs in certain slots like A1&A2 or B1&B2. Read your manual carefully for the proper recommendations. I believe it takes more than one boot-up for the cpu to initialize the speed settings of the memory.
Lastly the video card/s, I'd start with only 1 card and install IT in the x16 (speed) slot. I believe you have (1) slot that runs @ x16 (1) @x8 and (1) @x4 speed.
I never try to predict market direction, but I believe if you made those three changes in your BIOS on the initial start-up, resetting your CMOS will probably allow you to get back to square one and straighten things out.
You weren't drinking when you did this were you
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This is the manual for ASUS P8P67-M; very similar to the PRO:
http://test.cizgi.com.tr/resource/v...35/p8p67_en.pdf
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Sam,
Here is a diagram of the onboard led's for the Asus p8p67 pro. Probably similar to your board. If these led's remain lit it will highlight the area with trouble.
A good working board will have a green system good light, these led's are red. At least on this model.
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Are any of the onboard led's remaining lit ?
Sam:
I am saddened by the news last night Steve Jobs resigned for health reasons. He is truly my idol. And that has been the case since he was 26!!!!! Imagining a geek could worth millions and millions at that age. I bought an Apple II+ in college. I loved it. But that was one and only Apple experience I had. Later on I refused to buy Apple computers because they closed out their systems (like "we have everything that you possibly need")... while I, being a geek myself, like to tinker with things. "Irreconcilable differences" is the reason for our separation. LOL
Back to your new ASUS board: one option for you is to call their tech support and get some hint from them. They may be able to give you a short cut.
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Are any of the onboard led's remaining lit ?
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LeapUP:
How is that going with your ibuypower.com PC return/exchange?
Sam,
Out of curiosity... ( so far sounds like you know what you are doing ) did you install the motherboard on the little peg risers ? They install on the case first, then the motherboard sits on them and gets screwed into them.
Sounds silly, but if the mb is mounted direct to the case all the solder points on the back of the board will become one.
edit: also make sure you check all the power to the motherboard and double check all power cables are connected. Probably so as it started already, but make sure and check the power supply to the mb and give a push on the connections to make sure they have good contact.
The best way to troubleshoot is to check the simple most obvious points, then work deeper into the problem.
Start with all connections, power switches/ buttons turned on, good contact at all points, run down each individual part of the computer to give an ok check.
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Sam,
Out of curiosity... ( so far sounds like you know what you are doing ) did you install the motherboard on the little peg risers ? They install on the case first, then the motherboard sits on them and gets screwed into them.
Sounds silly, but if the mb is mounted direct to the case all the solder points on the back of the board will become one.
edit: also make sure you check all the power to the motherboard and double check all power cables are connected. Probably so as it started already, but make sure and check the power supply to the mb and give a push on the connections to make sure they have good contact.
The best way to troubleshoot is to check the simple most obvious points, then work deeper into the problem.
Start with all connections, power switches/ buttons turned on, good contact at all points, run down each individual part of the computer to give an ok check.
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I would guess no luck yet ?
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I would guess no luck yet ?
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I haven't been able to spend much time on it yet. I will try tonight, hopefully, as I have been slacking on my charts. I'm hoping it's all done and over with by the coming week.
How Computers Work - Journey Into The Walk-Through Computer
Ok, this video is like 20+ years old. It is done in a fun youth format .
I started it at about 6:30 into the video with this link, just click and it will be cued, so there are about 20 minutes remaining to watch.
Not kidding for anyone who lacks an understanding of just how a computer works and how it all comes together watch this.
The actors will become, and be part of the inside of a working computer.
Laugh away , it's a cute video but the info is still valuable and no different really today.
Enjoy, chuckle, and walk away with a little more knowledge.
http://youtu.be/CoxQLJkLq1c?t=5m58s
Thanks for the find!
Intel 486 chip... full height 5 1/4 inch hard disk (probably storing 10MB)... those were good times! LOL
How Does a Computer Motherboard Work?
simple, but the concept is clear.
How a motherboard works
wow 146 pages.. does the computer work by now??
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wow 146 pages.. does the computer work by now??
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The RAM is in slots closest to the CPU and is paired.
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Thanks for the find!
Intel 486 chip... full height 5 1/4 inch hard disk (probably storing 10MB)... those were good times! LOL
Hi there,
Nice & informative thread . I am also going for same configuration.
I need your suggestion on these three hardwares if you got time
1. I am confused b/w these video cards which one to go for
nvidia geforce 9500 gt , 8400 gs or GT 430
2. Any suggestion regarding printer . Usually I take charts & some reports monthly requirement is approx 200-300 pages
3. Monitors - samsung LG or Dell 19-20'
Thanks
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Monitors - samsung LG or Dell 19-20'?
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Sam
To be "paired" (in dual mode,,, right? ) each pair of modules needs to be in the blue OR black slots ..... correct? Not the two slots (1) blue (1) black closest to the CPU.
Check out, page 3
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arti...herboard/1355/1
Could we have a diagnosis here!!!. I do have the RAM in BLACK and BLUE!!! Rather than in 2 blue slots (better config). I'll give this a try and get back to you.__________________
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Unfortunately, they are all x16.
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WF, I was wrong on this.
but now you know.
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I know
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For the impatient souls
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If you would like to, whenever time permits no rush, post a pic of the build. Even a finished build it is a welcome post.
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Since Boli has "names" for all his computers I wanted to through my hat in the ring and suggest a name for Sam's build. Keying off the above quote I thought, The Son of Sam might be appropriate.
So we all have handle by which we go by and we all name our boxes?!!!. I've found my profession at last! __________________
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Went Fishing big thanks for posting your build I am reviewing the MB now
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arti...otherboard/1023
I had a feeling you knew just a little more than you let on to
Sam should have named the machine ' The Squeeze '
Sam "The Squeeze" Morgan
You all have watched too many movies. (Yeah, me too. )
I have to compete in picture size with Went Fishing...
As posted in another thread... last year I built my first Model T (have two of them):
Motherboard: ASUS P6T, with an intel i7-930 chip, 6 GB RAM. One with an Intel 40GB SSD, one without.
Earlier this year I built my Model U:
Motherboard: MSI Big Bang XPower, with an intel i7-950 chip, 6 GB RAM. 4 x EVGA 8400 GS cards.
The chassises are all Antec 300. Not that interesting looking. Just a black box. No see through glasses. No mesmerizing LEDs. No catchy bright red color. You may order a Boli computer with any color you like as long as it is black...
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RE: 1. I am confused b/w these video cards which one to go for
nvidia geforce 9500 gt , 8400 gs or GT 430
For our trading applications, probably doesn't matter.
Per Passmark's website, the graphics processors' ranks are as follow: (The higher the number the better)
GT 430: 692
9500 GT: 352
8400 GS: 139
So if prices are equal you can pick up the best performing one (i.e. GT 430).
RE: 2. Any suggestion regarding printer . Usually I take charts & some reports monthly requirement is approx 200-300 pages
Color or Black & White? Canon sells their color inkjet printers cheap. Sometimes dirt cheap. (Give-away with some kind of purchase.). They make the money off you from the replacement ink cartridge. Their cartridge last only about (probably) less than 200 pages. And USD $15 - $20 per cartridge. (The printer itself is only $50) You are looking at producing color prints at 10c each sheet.
Black & White laser printers are lower in operating costs.
RE: 3. Monitors - samsung LG or Dell 19-20'
I don't have good experience with LG. The one I had broke when I brought it to a trip. Bag tossing by airline porters, no doubt. But the Envision monitor (in the same bag, subjected to the same cruelty) survived unharmed. Samsung monitors I like very much. Dell... no experience. But their monitors should be good quality.
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Since we're on the naming thing, and the sensation of making another build (btw, is this building boxes addictive?!!!. No one mentioned!!!)
off topic .... Heavy rains, winds didn't arrive yet. Morning will be interesting ...may everyone get spared damage and maintain power.
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You all have watched too many movies. (Yeah, me too.
I have to compete in picture size with Went Fishing...
As posted in another thread... last year I built my first Model T (have two of them):
Motherboard: ASUS P6T, with an intel i7-930 chip, 6 GB RAM. One with an Intel 40GB SSD, one without.
Earlier this year I built my Model U:
Motherboard: MSI Big Bang XPower, with an intel i7-950 chip, 6 GB RAM. 4 x EVGA 8400 GS cards.
The chassises are all Antec 300. Not that interesting looking. Just a black box. No see through glasses. No mesmerizing LEDs. No catchy bright red color. You may order a Boli computer with any color you like as long as it is black...
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off topic .... Heavy rains, winds didn't arrive yet. Morning will be interesting ...may everyone get spared damage and maintain power.
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. Well, WF, I like The Son of Sam and with all the help you have given to this thread, in your honor, we have a name.
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I had a feeling you knew just a little more than you let on to
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"........ and the sensation of making another build (btw, is this building boxes addictive?!!!. No one mentioned!!!) becoming more over powering as the days go by, I think the next one ........"
Well, anyone's suggestions.
I've found my profession at last!
!!!
After trying everything, I have gotten 2 gpu's to work. Booting up is really fast and I'm happy with it overall, but for the last GPU!. For now, I can get the 4 monitors that I need.
However, I called ASUS and their customer service is bad. They said they will send me another board, IF they have it in stock, which they doubt. WTF!!!.
It may take 2-4 weeks to receive!. I can return it to Micro Center, but there is non in FL, so I just might have to send it back to my buddy, so he can get me an exchange.
I have researched further and this mobo is one of those that's a hit or miss. Guess I missed and went to hell!
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After trying everything, I have gotten 2 gpu's to work. Booting up is really fast and I'm happy with it overall, but for the last GPU!. For now, I can get the 4 monitors that I need.
However, I called ASUS and their customer service is bad. They said they will send me another board, IF they have it in stock, which they doubt. WTF!!!.
It may take 2-4 weeks to receive!. I can return it to Micro Center, but there is non in FL, so I just might have to send it back to my buddy, so he can get me an exchange.
I have researched further and this mobo is one of those that's a hit or miss. Guess I missed and went to hell!
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The problems you've experienced are less likely with a Dell/other workstation as the maker intends to sell 100,000+ of virtually the same unit (with a few variations on CPU, video card, drives). The OEM maker can't afford to have too many units to troubleshoot and problem-solve, so they work out nearly all the kinks beforehand.
So... unless you just want the BIY experience, you might often save yourself a hassle and buy a high-volume workstation unit from a maker.
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While this is logical, my early experience with a Dell dual-Xeon workstation was a nightmare.
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Not knocking your build, but just a note for others about BIY and a high-volume rig from an OEM (Dell, HP, Lenovo)...
The problems you've experienced are less likely with a Dell/other workstation as the maker intends to sell 100,000+ of virtually the same unit (with a few variations on CPU, video card, drives). The OEM maker can't afford to have too many units to troubleshoot and problem-solve, so they work out nearly all the kinks beforehand.
So... unless you just want the BIY experience, you might often save yourself a hassle and buy a high-volume workstation unit from a maker.
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I completely agree with you. Initially, I had actually ordered this:
Dell XPS 8300 Desktop: Core i7-2600 (3.4GHz), 1TB 7200 RPM HDD, 8GB DDR3, Nvidia Geforce GT530, Windows 7 Prem 64-Bit $679 + Free Shipping
Specs:
Intel Core i7-2600 (3.4GHz) Processor
8GB DDR3 Memory
1TB 7200 RPM, SATA Hard Drive
16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW)
Nvidia Geforce GT530
Dell 1501 Wireless-N PCIe Card
Microsoft Office Starter
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
However, I had to return it since I could not add additional GPUs and thought I may try out a BIY, spending the same amount.
For next time I may choose otherwise. On a positive note, I have met some really good people here, I just received ASUS RMA forms (the supervisor said they would get it to me in 5 days - it pays to be nice) and I don't have to return the "faulty" item. I'm thinking that I can sell the new mobo they send me, if I can manage with 4 monitors. Let's see.
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I have researched further and this mobo is one of those that's a hit or miss. Guess I missed and went to hell!
Buying pre-built has its problems also.
LEAPup ran into a negative experience with his purchase, although by now he may be very happy with a serious machine.
It can happen in a DIY or purchasing a completed computer.
Sam you may want to consider building a backup with the extra board and skip the high end parts, as they are already installed in the main machine.
EDIT : I have mentioned this already, but I have received some of the best tech support advice from forums. Search different ones out and you will find gold and plenty of nice folks willing to help.
Helpful sites
http://www.pcmech.com/forum/build-your-own-pc/
http://www.pcmech.com/forum/
http://www.pcguide.com/vb/index.php
http://www.pctools.com/forum/
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/
http://www.overclock.net/
http://www.overclockerstech.com/
Are Trader-PCBuilders a minority group? Only gamers build their own PC's it seems...
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Are Trader-PCBuilders a minority group? Only gamers build their own PC's it seems...
With all the great posts sometimes you need a place to save important ones, and maybe even important pages from threads that can be easily accessed from anywhere when needed.
Someone shared a great addition for Firefox/ Windows add on that can be extremely useful for saving important posts, or pages of info that can be accessed from anywhere.
Big thank you to that contributor.
Cool thing is it saves what you clip so you can see exactly what you were looking at.
The extension is called
EVERNOTE
Windows ( excellent one )
http://www.evernote.com/
Evernote Firefox Extension 5.0.0.170767
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fi...te-web-clipper/
Great stuff for keeping notes all this important info !
Evernote windows version
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Great stuff for keeping notes all this important info !
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Thanks for the tip. This must be great for my stalkers. LOL
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After trying everything, I have gotten 2 gpu's to work. Booting up is really fast and I'm happy with it overall, but for the last GPU!. For now, I can get the 4 monitors that I need.
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Just double check: Was is a case of bad motherboard (the PCIe X16 slot), or bad video card? Have you swapped around the video cards and tested?
I did find a link to an online Manual for the Asus P8P67-M Pro.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...SFTbkcw&cad=rja
I do see the #3 PCIe slot cannot be completely disabled through the BIOS, but the PCIe X1 slot will be disabled when the #3 slot is set to X4 mode.
I was wondering if your video card cooling fan spins when the card is placed in the #3 (black) PCIe slot? There maybe 164 connections on a X16 card but only the first segment of pins (1-11 before the notch) provide power to the card whether it's a X1, X4, X8 or 16. So a very close inspection (magnifying glass) of the contacts in the slot may reveal a potential problem or wiping off the contacts on the card with a micro fiber cloth may help.
Happy i found this thread
I just wanted to say this is an Excellent Thread, i have spent the whole weekend reading through this and have come away with tons of useful information and resources that Everyone has posted.
I am also in the process of choosing components for a build for trading
and this has helped me Greatly!
In the beginning i was thinking i needed to purchase a more expensive video card to run the amount of displays i wanted, but after reading here at least i have a good idea of some decent lower priced cards like the NVS 295 or GT 430 that can be had for under $ 50.
Re: Happy i found this thread
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NVS 295 or GT 430 that can be had for under $ 50.
low price cards
Yes, i can see it is possible to build just what you need for trading applications for Nice low price, even with Multiple monitors set up.
Prices have fallen alot on cards, hard drives, memory, monitors, and even some powerful little cpu's, most everything is in our favor as far as building a computer for trading now.
i can remember when it cost a whole lot more to set up a Nice computer, things have changed in a good way now.
video card for build
This is a Higher end card with EyeFinity 6 capable of running 6 displays,
would this type of card Benefit me Any at All for Trading purposes?
it's not a bad price for running 6 displays, if anyone would let me know
what you could find out from the specs on this one, please post your opinions, the following components are what i was considering on the High end for my build, but from what i have been reading here i am sure i would not have to invest this much just in the box:
1.LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811112239
2. Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16817371050
3. ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Item #: N82E16813131730- $ 199.99
4. Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
Item #: N82E16819115070- $ 314.99
5. G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM
Item #: N82E16820231445- $ 69.99
6. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
Item #: N82E16835103065- $ 27.99
7. OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #: N82E16820227706- $ 219.99
8. ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Item #: N82E16827135204- $ 20.99
9. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116992- $ 139.99
10. ViewSonic VX2450wm-LED 23.6" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1000:1 Native, 20000000:1 Dynamic, 5ms, VGA, DVI, Built-in Speakers, Tilt- 169.99 per monitor x4= $ 680.00 @ Tigerdirect
11. ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card- $ 289
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814121431
The video card in question is # 11 on the list.
i will be using 4 displays and latter buy 2 more.
Re: video card for build
Quote from optionman31601:
This is a Higher end card with EyeFinity 6 capable of running 6 displays,
would this type of card Benefit me Any at All for Trading purposes?
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11. ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card- $ 289
The video card in question is # 11 on the list.
i will be using 4 displays and latter buy 2 more.
overkill
That's what i was thinking, this card is overkill, i just needed some input from someone that already been down this road with multi monitor setup for trading purposes, thanks for commenting on that card,
i have actually been rethinking the whole build as it also seems to be overkill based on other trading boxes i have read about.
Your answer has helped me in thinking i could probably make some changes elsewhere.
being i am not quite ready for the new build, i still have time to decide on what components i really need in the box.
Quote from Bolimomo:
The rest of the pick list looks good.
Quote from optionman31601:
1.LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
2. Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-900 900W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
3. ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68
4. Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K
5. G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
6. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
7. OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
8. ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner -
9. Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
10. ViewSonic VX2450wm-LED 23.6" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Built-in Speakers
11. ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
).
I received a pm regarding the Asus Sabertooth X58
Here is a review of the board
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/mo...th-x58-review/1
As asked about a board that will support 5 graphics cards ( 2 monitors each card ), This board however will not support 5 video cards in the expansion slots , as it supports
Three 16x PCI-E 2.0 slots (two 16x and one 4x)
I would say Boli's MSI Big Bang X58 motherboard is something to consider for a MB that will support 5 video cards and is a quality,serious board X58
There is a price difference between these boards, but you will pay up when going beyond 3 video cards (supporting 2 monitors each)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813130289
Asus Sabertooth X58
MSI Big Bang X58
Quote from Went Fishing:
Sam, how about posting what your finished build actually consists of. Your Parts List is spread out over several pages and it's a bit hard to follow.
Honestly, I doubt you've tried "everything," but maybe you have.
I believe I'm safe in saying we're all still here to help, but you have to provide the symptoms. Again I'm with Boli in first verifying you have (3) three functioning video cards. Secondly can you "light-up" a monitor with a card in the X4 (#3) slot at all, either by itself or with one other card in slot #1 or #2? Since the #3 slot does not use the PCIE controller in the CPU and is controlled through the south bridge, have you checked your settings in the EFI BIOS/advanced/onboard devices configuration, and made sure the #3 slot is (a) ON and (b) set to X4? Also, since the #3 PCIE slot is sharing available data lanes with SATA and USB you may try disabling anything or all that isn't needed while you run a few tests (including that quirky Marvell Controller). One last question, have you found an online manual for the M Pro?
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I see that we may have a few potential builders and the transition to SSD seems to be in full effect. I didn't think I needed it, but after trying it out, I'm glad that I got it. It's like Amazon overnight vs 3-5 business days. You don't need the overnight, but it makes a whole lot of a difference.
On that note, this may be a decent deal ($1/GB) if someone wants it NOW!. Cheaper can be found, but we must be patient.
http://www.buy.com/prod/kingston-12.../218194460.html
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Quote from Sam Morgan:
This is what I have tried. I've swapped all the cards in different slots and the black and gray slot work fine. It is the blue slot that is the issue. I have also tried the cards on a friends PC and they all run ok. My assumption is that the cards are ok and there may be an issue with the blue slot.
I spoke to ASUS and we did the diagnosis. They found it safe to say that the blue slot may not be working and so are sending me a new one.
Quote from Went Fishing:
Now we all know, Boli's on DRUGS,,, ROFL.
Quote from Sam Morgan:
..... Gotta take the mother-in-law to Downtown Disney. Against the grid, she really is the best mo-in-law anyone can have, so I feel blessed.
That's okay... you don't need to answer this.
build evaluation
Thanks for evaluating the components .
@ Went Fishing
Yea, i Really went overboard when i first started checking on
available components for a new system build, and from what i
chose on the list it does look like a gaming box.
This list is on the Highest end of what my budget would allow for.
I was thinking i might need all this power for a new build for
trading with up to 6 displays, But since reading this thread up to
this point, i can see i do not need such a powerful system.
I will be deciding on several new components based on what you
have pointed out.
The GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 is a
board i will look into as you suggested, i may go with P67.
Thank you for all your time and help on evaluating with this
Future build.
@ TIKITRADER
I Appreciate the info and links on these 2 boards, i will check in on these, the amount of 16x PCI-E 2.0 slots have to be one of the main concerns with multiple cards, i will take a look at these 2 boards, and compare them to some P67 boards thats also on my new list of possibles.
By the way, Your Build is Excellent, Very Nice with Plenty of Power,
and i Appreciate the time you have spent on this thread.
SSD Sale
@ Sam Morgan, this is the Best deal i have seen on a 128 Gb SSD,
Thanks for posting that, i Hope these deals continue.
i have seen many of your posts on items you have found and they are bargains.
I have to ask, could you list some of the better sites that i could keep a check on for these prices.
here is the ones i am currently checking: based on this threads posts
and the ones i know about.
microcenter
buy.com
amazon
would you list some more please?
Quote from TIKITRADER:
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I would say Boli's MSI Big Bang X58 motherboard is something to consider for a MB that will support 5 video cards and is a quality,serious board X58
There is a price difference between these boards, but you will pay up when going beyond 3 video cards (supporting 2 monitors each)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813130289
Quote from Bolimomo:
My MSI Bag Bang motherboard runs 4 video cards just fine. I had tried a few times... but every time I added a 5th card, things went haywire. Display became extremely slow. I had given up. I had tried putting the 5th card in different slots but no difference made.
Quote from Bolimomo:
My job is to ensure all pieces will functionally work together. Not whether one needs them. And it's Sam's department to bargain on price! LOL
Quote from TIKITRADER:
Thanks for the feedback Boli... May have to go on a search to seek out 1 or 2 mb that support 4 or more cards PCI-E 2.0 for a decent price and post that for those interested. We have gone over this somewhere in this thread but I will see what I can find and add.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Hey she was standing there behind you watching you typed, wasn't she?
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Re: SSD Sale
Quote from optionman31601:
@ Sam Morgan, this is the Best deal i have seen on a 128 Gb SSD,
Thanks for posting that, i Hope these deals continue.
i have seen many of your posts on items you have found and they are bargains.
I have to ask, could you list some of the better sites that i could keep a check on for these prices.
here is the ones i am currently checking: based on this threads posts
and the ones i know about.
microcenter
buy.com
amazon
would you list some more please?
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Quote from Went Fishing:
The SS Drive Sam posted has a SATA II (3Gb/s) interface NOT a SATA III (6Gb/s) interface, the difference in read/write speeds is huge. Sure, this drive could be used for several different upgrades, but for a new build with a SATA 6GB MotherBoard,,, I'm sure it is a Cardnial Sin. The King of The SSD Hill (today) is the OCZ Vertex 3 it comes in 60, 120, 240 and 480GB. Yes these drives are backward compatible, but who would dream of such a thing!!
Kingston 128GB SSD V100 Series 2.5" SATA II Internal Solid State Drive
Tech Specs
Form factor 2.5"
Interface SATA 1.5 Gb/sec. and 3.0 Gb/sec.
Capacities 128GB
128GB - 250MB/sec. read
128GB - 230MB/sec write
Crucial
The C300 was somewhat of a milestone for the consumer SSD market, being the only drive available with SATA 6Gb/s support for quite some time. Whereas most SSD makers opted for the SandForce SF-1200 controller with a peak read rate of 285MB/s, the C300 could hit speeds of 355MB/s courtesy of its Marvell "Van Gogh" 88SS9174 chip.
The NEW M4 SSD from Crucial: Supports SATA 6Gb/s interface, and achieves read speeds up to 415MB/second and write speeds up to 260MB/s.
Kingston HyperX
Kingston claims the same 555MB/s read and 510MB/s write performance for the 120GB and 240GB HyperX.
OCZ Technology
OCZ SSD 2.5 inch Vertex 3 120GB MLC SATA600 VTX3-25SAT3-120G
The Vertex 3 120GB touts read and write speeds of 550MB/s and 500MB/s, the larger 240GB version is slightly faster with 550MB/s reads 520MB/s writes. The largest model offers 480GB of storage and is actually the slowest, rated at 530MB/s reads and 450MB/s writes
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WF, your wish is my command
Not exactly the King, but the Queen of the SSD Hill. This is a SATA III and the read and write speeds are almost comparable.
For the price, I thinks it's not a bad deal.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...7375&CatId=5300
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Good deals
@ Sam Morgan,
with the way you are finding these good deals , i was thinking you had some connections with the Manager of these outlets
yea, if i were compulsive buyer and not trying to save for this build i would have jumped on these deals if my timing had been right.
i Appreciate you posting on these items cause i might just have to grab a few of them when they come up again, even if i don't really need them at the time.
Thanks for offering your help on finding components, i am currently trying to decide/revise my build and when i get the new items listed
i will post them here and ask if you could come up with anything.
i have been looking for displays today just searching sites for 22"-24" just to check prices in preparation for the build.
anyway i'll post sometime in the near future on what i think would be what i need to put this thing together.
since you mention it, i think i will have to try me one of those Corona's...
by the way , did you get your system running, i seen you had an issue with it, hope you got it going.
Re: Good deals
Quote from optionman31601:
I have been looking for displays today just searching sites for 22"-24" just to check prices in preparation for the build.
by the way , did you get your system running, I seen you had an issue with it, hope you got it going.
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Samsungs are nice monitors. I love them. Because I pack mine closely together, I prefer to use ones with small bezels.
Quote from Sam Morgan:
A question for the group:
How comfortable are you that the MB you purchase will actually function as it's supposed to and last for 3-5 years?
I ask because I have an older Dell workstation that should be replaced in the near future. I've been following this thread and really like the great options offered by doing my own build vs buying a box from Dell / HP. However, I've been reading the reviews of various MBs and must say that I've been shocked. I'm shocked overall but especially with Asus board reviews. For the last bunch of years, I've found that reading reviews on Amazon / Newegg / etc will often save me future headaches and frequently add info that I haven't come across elsewhere. There seems to be a different standard with these MBs. The number that have issues right out of the box seems high (to me anyway) and then a significant number seem to fail not that long after completion (a week to a few months).
While the main reason for doing the build is to replace my primary box, another is to further my knowledge. However, if I end up with an unreliable, time-suck that causes me downtime and grief, I will not be doing myself any favors...
Here is a sampling of some of the comments from the first few pages of the Newegg X58 Sabertooth board mentioned above (Tiki & Sam's P8P67 board has comments that are the same or worse):
It still boots up, probably won't die as quickly as all the other Asus motherboards I have deployed over the years because it has ceramic capacitors.
Worked good, for about 3 months.
The first week worked without any problems, after that, it started to shut off randomly.
Once I receive my credit, I will be purchasing a motherboard by some company OTHER THAN ASUS. I HIGHLY suggest you do the same!
First one (new from NE) lasted 5 months, then LAN and audio quit working. RMA from Asus, replacement lasted 6 weeks, started BSODs, so i reinstalled Win7, then did so with a new HD, and now the board wont even go through the whole POST screens. It stops on the Marvell driver and won't proceed.
Heres my thoughts. Ive had to RMA this board 4 times and it still doesn't work properly. 2nd Pci Express slot still doesn't work nor slot # 3 of ram. ASUS tech's are terrible and customer service gave me some run around.
like has been happening with others asus sends you a supposed refurb with bad ports or broken parts this is not acceptable. The quality control is gone in this company and after years and years using them and having ove 30 of their boards in operation right now (older ones) all the new ones are failing and not even being loaded- PATHETIC!
Other Thoughts: Sadly I will be looking at another company boards and that includes today
This has been my first experience personally dealing with faulty hardware and I've been very disappointed. I'm a computer technician and have been recommending ASUS as a quality brand - something I don't feel comfortable doing anymore. Think twice about this one. Problems on two separate motherboards is not a fluke.
I have 2 ASUS P6T motherboards (processor i7-930) since about May 2010. 1 year and 4 months now. No problem with either one.
Maybe this model is a quality product. Maybe I am just lucky?
RL8093,
I would not hesitate to build a box. They are reliable as any box I have ever purchased. I have had issues from boxes I built, to issues with purchases from box makers.
Unfortunately you can get a bad part right off of the shelf, but for the majority of purchases I have made this is not the case.
In this build the only problem I had encountered was the Sandforce controller from the new OCZ SSD.
On the OCZ site they had a firmware fix that I had applied and it did the job.
I have spent plenty of hours with Dell support years back, as they read off of pre-written question answer cards . That was time consuming and frustrating as I personally felt a few of them are not even qualified to call themselves techs.
That was my experience, and I am not putting down Dell as I feel they have excellent products ( I wouldn't hesitate to own their products ) and they do have a support there for you when needed, as compared to a do it yourself, you are the tech.
If I was to purchase Dell I would definitely take Scats advice as I feel he has solid knowledge and I trust his opinion.
As far as parts...
There are many MB manufacturers and you can shop around so you can avoid Asus if you do not feel comfortable.
My advice is do it yourself if you are comfortable with being the tech. There are a large amount of PC sites to help with direction to resolve problems you may encounter.
The parts installed will really be the homework for you to do. Go to all the well known and respected review sites and research the components you are interested in.Look up passmark scores also if possible.
You will come out with a good amount of info to inform you as to the best purchase you can make.
If you want to have fun trying out your video cards run this high def clip.
Graphics look amazing.
It is defaulted to 360. Switch to highest setting you can
Screen capture from my monitor
Panasonic High def clip
Nature
Full screen mode is excellent !
Switch default setting to highset
Screen captured image
Quote from RL8093:
"... I ask because I have an older Dell workstation that should be replaced in the near future.... However, if I end up with an unreliable, time-suck that causes me downtime and grief, I will not be doing myself any favors...
My most recent build (3 yrs. ago) has an ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe motherboard, AMD Phenom quad core processor and four NVS 290 PCI-e video cards. No problems at all.
RL8093, after my mobo started playing up, I got pretty frustrated. I had no tech support this time around!!!. Being a newbie at this operation, I knew this was bound to happen. Just my luck.
I tried different ways of diagnosing the issue with help from the Corona boys and various forums. I slept over it and woke up calmer and more dedicated. Eventually, we figured out the issue was with the mobo (it took 3 days).
If I had bought from Dell, I assume they would have tested this out before sending me the box; I would have that safety net. Hence, it seems that Dell, HP etc products are better as you don't get to experience these issues before the item gets to you.
In regards to PCs, I have tried Dell and Toshiba with very unfavorable results, so doing my own build wasn't too much on the down side for me. Also, I really don't like their customer service. I would rather have a robot say the same thing to me as I would understand it doesn't have a brain.
The advantages of a self-build are many. You can choose your parts and have the best, for a bargain (if you have patience). You know what you have inside there. Also, if you modify a pre-build, it voids your warranty in most cases.
After my ASUS had these issues, I researched a little and found a lot of -ve reviews. However, there was bound to be more -ve reviews as statistics show that 73% will post a -ve review as opposed to 22% that will post a +ve review. I am a statistic here, as I gave a -ve review to ASUS (but +ve for their customer service as they will ship mine out in 24-48 hrs and I get to keep the old board), but no +ve reviews for all the items that functioned.
I also know people that have self builds and have no issues with them. I guess in the end, it's just a matter of luck whichever way you go.
Good luck to you
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Completely OT...
( although a nice sound setup may be part of your build )
I really enjoy background sounds of the meditation style when trading.
Peaceful
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Informative Site ...motherboards and other
http://www.motherboards.org/
http://www.motherboards.org/drupal/reviews/motherboards
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http://www.testfreaks.com/motherboards/
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Also try this ... motherboards
http://buildyourcomputer101.blogspot.com/
http://buildyourcomputer101.blogspo...otherboard.html
Anatomy Of A Motherboard
http://www.smartcomputing.com/artic...34s09.pdf?guid=
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Get the Anatomy of a motherboard
http://ackadia.com/computer/system-...motherboard.php
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How Motherboards Work
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/motherboard.htm
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Getting to know your Motherboard
http://www.huddysworld.co.uk/index....dware&Itemid=72
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Unit 5 - Computer Architecture
The Motherboard
http://cci-compeng.com/Unit_5_PC_Ar...Motherboard.htm
From link provided in previous post, also here...
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/motherboard4.htm
How it comes together...
Bus Speed
How Motherboards Are Made: A Gigabyte Factory Tour
a 20 page tour of the making of motherboards
enjoy !
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview....eid=1722&page=1
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Very informative site
http://www.pcstats.com/
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How BIOS Works
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/bios.htm
" When you turn on your computer, the BIOS does several things. This is its usual sequence:
Check the CMOS Setup for custom settings
Load the interrupt handlers and device drivers
Initialize registers and power management
Perform the power-on self-test (POST)
Display system settings
Determine which devices are bootable
Initiate the bootstrap sequence
The first thing the BIOS does is check the information stored in a tiny (64 bytes) amount of RAM located on a complementary metal oxide semiconductor (CMOS) chip. The CMOS Setup provides detailed information particular to your system and can be altered as your system changes. The BIOS uses this information to modify or supplement its default programming as needed. We will talk more about these settings later. "
How to make a Motherboard - A GIGABYTE Factory Tour Video
There is some very serious work that goes into making a motherboard.
This video accompanies the previous link
How Motherboards Are Made: A Gigabyte Factory Tour
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview....eid=1722&page=1
From sand to chip - How a CPU is made
Video could be better quality but there is good info here if you have ever been interested in how a cpu is made.
This one makes sense if you watch the previous video on the making of a cpu
Here is just how the custom orders you place with Dell are done...
Probably updated somewhat since this video
DELL FactoryTour
I think this is the card that Boli talks about; the 8400GS (pls correct me if I am wrong). If so, he alsao says that you can get it for $9.99 sometimes. This is one of those instances.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_p...html?sku=793497
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Geforce 8400
Sam i was actually on Microcenter looking at cards and looking through this thread at the same time and seen your post on the above card, i never seen a card at this price before after rebate, i looked at detailed specs and am not sure if it would be enough processing power if it was going to run 2 displays for trading.
But , i would be interested to know others input on this level of card for running 2 displays, i have to admit i am ignorant when it comes to specs and what is Really Needed with some components.
As far as Price i don't see this getting any cheaper, Good Find on this deal Sam!
PCI Express 2.0x16
I have been trying to figure this out and have read information in various articles including posts from this thread, and still do not quite understand what is needed for running 2 to 3 video cards for multiple displays.
what i mean is if i have a Video card that says PCI Express 2.0 x16
and i buy 3 cards to install on the board, what will be exceptable for those 3 cards to fit into and work well.
here are some examples of Board PCI Express 2.0 x16 specs:
Board # 1. - 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (single at x16 or dual at x8/x8 mode)
the way i understand this one is 2 slots with 2 single cards will have 16 lanes or i can set them with only 8 lanes?
Board # 2. - 3 (x16/0 or x8/x8, x4)
the way i understand this one is 3 slots with 3 single cards with 16 lanes 2 cards with 8 lanes and the #3 card is 4 lanes?
Board # 3. - 3 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (PCIE2/PCIE4: single at x16 or dual at x8/x8 mode; PCIE5: x4 mode)
the way i understand this one is 2 slots with 2 single cards with 16 lanes or either those 2 cards with 8 lanes per card and #3 card gets 4 lanes?
i am trying not to spend more than $ 175 on a board and be able to run 3 cards with 6 displays, although i will start out running 3-4 displays and add the rest of the displays latter, i wanted to purchase the right board and all 3 cards at the same time, so i am in the process of trying to figure out what board and cards to purchase.
At this point i am trying to understand the PCI Express 2.0x16 matter that will allow me to run the 3 cards.
Any help understanding the following board specs for PCI Express 2.0 x16 would be Appreciated.
I am just confused if 3 cards would run properly without problems/bottlenecks on the above board specs.
or which board specs is Better than the other for running PCI Express 2.0 x16 cards.
i am definately a Greenhorn at this matter.
Thanks for any help.
Re: Geforce 8400
Quote from optionman31601:
Sam i was actually on Microcenter looking at cards and looking through this thread at the same time and seen your post on the above card, i never seen a card at this price before after rebate, i looked at detailed specs and am not sure if it would be enough processing power if it was going to run 2 displays for trading.
But , i would be interested to know others input on this level of card for running 2 displays, i have to admit i am ignorant when it comes to specs and what is Really Needed with some components.
As far as Price i don't see this getting any cheaper, Good Find on this deal Sam!
Re: PCI Express 2.0x16
Quote from optionman31601:
"... [I] still do not quite understand what is needed for running 2 to 3 video cards for multiple displays.
Dual-Link DVI Supported
The Cards i have been looking at have the following Specs:
1.- 1 x DVI
2. - Dual-Link DVI Supported
i am under the impression these Specs allow 2 displays per DVI
my guess is with a dongle or a type of single DVI to Dual DVI connector.
Re: Dual-Link DVI Supported
Quote from optionman31601:
The Cards i have been looking at have the following Specs:
1.- 1 x DVI
2. - Dual-Link DVI Supported
i am under the impression these Specs allow 2 displays per DVI
my guess is with a dongle or a type of single DVI to Dual DVI connector.
Best Choice?
i see, i would like to have extended desktop across all displays, so
i am thinking my best choice would be to use 3 NVS 295 Cards that have the DUAL DVI Ports that i have seen for $ 20 to $ 60 per card?
For Trading Applications, is there any other choices based on what you have informed me of so far.
i feel i need to go with what you are saying:
1 DVI Port per display, so if the card has 2 DVI Ports i will maintain good picture Quality.
Of course i am trying not to spend to much on the cards, but am interested on other folks choices of cards and how they configured each card if running more than 1 display each, and how their picture Quality looks.
interested in what Resolutions for these setups.
Re: Best Choice?
Quote from optionman31601:
i see, i would like to have extended desktop across all displays, so
i am thinking my best choice would be to use 3 NVS 295 Cards that have the DUAL DVI Ports that i have seen for $ 20 to $ 60 per card?
For Trading Applications, is there any other choices based on what you have informed me of so far.
i feel i need to go with what you are saying:
1 DVI Port per display, so if the card has 2 DVI Ports i will maintain good picture Quality.
Of course i am trying not to spend to much on the cards, but am interested on other folks choices of cards and how they configured each card if running more than 1 display each, and how their picture Quality looks.
interested in what Resolutions for these setups.
I Think i got it
ok, i Think i got it now,
@ Scataphagos, I Appreciate the information and your time on this matter, i will decide on the board that can handle the 3 cards.
i have been looking at All components for a Build and have been stuck with what we have been discussing.
i am sure i will probably need more advice sometime in the future on other things and i know where to check, this thread and Everyone here are Very helpful and i Appreciate that.
Thanks.
Quote from TIKITRADER:
If you want to have fun trying out your video cards run this high def clip.
Graphics look amazing.
It is defaulted to 360. Switch to highest setting you can
Screen capture from my monitor
Re: Geforce 8400
Quote from optionman31601:
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i looked at detailed specs and am not sure if it would be enough processing power if it was going to run 2 displays for trading.
But , i would be interested to know others input on this level of card for running 2 displays,
Re: Best Choice?
Quote from optionman31601:
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i am thinking my best choice would be to use 3 NVS 295 Cards that have the DUAL DVI Ports that i have seen for $ 20 to $ 60 per card?
Build
@ Bolimomo, i checked your build you posted, and i am going to pursue either the NVS or GT 8400 cards, i also would like to keep my build in that dollar range excluding monitors & OS.
This is the first time i seen your build and it looks Good.
a work in Progress for me as far as figuring all the components, but i am getting there Thanks to everyone's input on this thread.
Good Picks!
I have an older i7 and an ASUS motherboard and they work great!
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Re: Build
Quote from optionman31601:
@ Bolimomo, i checked your build you posted, and i am going to pursue either the NVS or GT 8400 cards,
You know... we are traders not graphics designers. We use our monitors to display candlestick charts with primary colors most of the time, or Level-2, or a DOM, or even volume profile. We are not looking at JLo's face close up. VGA doesn't make that much difference from DVI. If you have the new technology (DVI), go for it. But not a big deal, really. Most of my monitors are both VGA/DVI capable. But I am lazy I use VGA cables for most of them. Even when I have the monitors showing some hi-res nature scene pictures, I couldn't tell the difference which one is DVI which one is VGA.
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... We are not looking at JLo's face close up. ....
GS 8400
@ Bolimomo, your right...i meant to say GS 8400 .
i have been looking at so many different cards today i get mixed up at times....i was checking in on GTS 240..GT 240...GT 340...GT 430...HD 5670...HD 6570....HD 4830...GS 8400...HD 6450,
I got mixed up abit, but you helped me in narrowing down my choices.
.... ...i got you...i am currently set up with vga on my Dell GX620,
i only have a 20" monitor at the time, so thats why i would like to have this new build sometime in the near future, as i just cannot keep an eye on everything efficiently with only one display.
i have actually reduced down to only watching 2 markets because of this, i have tried to watch more but it's to much for the one display.
by the way
i do have a good source i located on ebay for the NVS 295 card,
item says NEW for $ 45 with 2 adaptors...free shipping....one of the top sellers in this type of components.
Re: by the way
Quote from optionman31601:
i do have a good source i located on ebay for the NVS 295 card,
item says NEW for $ 45 with 2 adaptors...free shipping....one of the top sellers in this type of components.
Gosh... you all penny pinchers make me sick!
You should all go out to buy 3 of these video cards. Your trading is on the line! No cutting corner here. You need to spend money to make money!
I thought I did ok on Engt 430 budget graphics at $59.00 a video card but you guys have found super deals on cards.
If you need a little more screen real estate, buy a pair of these.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...display-outputs
PCI Express Technology
older video, good info .
Quote from Went Fishing:
If you need a little more screen real estate, buy a pair of these.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Y'all too humble! Get an Eyefinity 24! LOL
Quote from TIKITRADER:
It was really impressive stuff I can just imagine the price.
Quote from Bolimomo:
Gosh... you all penny pinchers make me sick!
You should all go out to buy 3 of these video cards. Your trading is on the line! No cutting corner here. You need to spend money to make money!
Quote from Scataphagos:
Piker!
REAL men trade on these..
http://www.linkwaves.com/shop/PNY-VCQ6000SDIPB
Video Card
I seen this PNY VCQFX3500-PCIE-PB Quadro FX 3500 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Workstation Video Card around on the net and did a little research on it, i am not sure this card is a good choice for trading, but i wanted to ask some of you with more knowledge than me about it.
i have found one for $ 75 and thought i might buy it along with a couple NVS 295 Cards.
i am going to post a few links with some info on it and see what response i might get back on this card from your posts, i am interested in this card and would Appreciate if some of you folks would check it out and post what you think of it for trading.
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/...a/12500_na.HTML
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16814133190
Motherboard
i am also interested in this Motherboard for a Build, even if i can only have a 4 display Setup would be fine for me now, i am asking anyone's input on using this for my foundation for new build.
Thanks in Advance for your input.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813157265
Re: Video Card
Quote from optionman31601:
I seen this PNY VCQFX3500-PCIE-PB Quadro FX 3500 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI .....
i have found one for $ 75 and thought i might buy it along with a couple NVS 295 Cards.
Mixing Cards
@ Bolimomo,....well i understand that could be an issue with mixing chipsets and honestly that wasn't what i was thinking of doing, i just was thinking to try the fx3500 and compare it to the NVS 295 cards and see for myself how they looked as far as picture quality, in other words try the NVS 295 out in the system first,
then pull it out and try the fx3500 card and see what the difference might be.
But what i was asking in my first post , was would the fx3500 be worth buying for $75 and using it for Trading purposes, i don't want to spend more than i need to on this build, but i was very interested in seeing what that card could do as far as picture quality.
as far as i know from Nvidia site it is no longer produced, but i have found a source that claim they have New ones?
you know how it is when you get interested in something and if it's not to much $$$ you can be tempted to try it, i just wanted to see from others what they may have read/heard or know about this card for trading purposes being it is older type card, but has some good technology built into it.
@ Bolimomo, Thanks for responding to this post, knowing me if i had both types of cards while building, i might have tried running them both, and i'm sure based on what you said i would have problems, i won't try it as you have confirmed of possible issues with mixing.
Re: Mixing Cards
(Unless you connect monitors via analogue interface like VGA), the card doen't make any difference to picture quality whatsoever. If you are having issues with "refresh rate", disable Aero. It serves no useful purpose except for eye candy and forcing people to pay through the throat for an expensive graphics card they don't otherwise need.
Quote from optionman31601:
i don't want to spend more than i need to on this build, but i was very interested in seeing what that card could do as far as picture quality.
Re: Motherboard
Quote from optionman31601:
i am also interested in this Motherboard for a Build, even if i can only have a 4 display Setup would be fine for me now, i am asking anyone's input on using this for my foundation for new build.
Thanks in Advance for your input.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813157265
Re: Mixing Cards
Quote from optionman31601:
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But what i was asking in my first post , was would the fx3500 be worth buying for $75 and using it for Trading purposes, i don't want to spend more than i need to on this build, but i was very interested in seeing what that card could do as far as picture quality.
So the question is: if you get one fx3500 and 2 NVS 295 and they don't work together, what do you plan to do? Send back the fx3500 to the seller? Do you have that option?
Cards
@ Bolimomo, Thanks for response , being i don't know much about what will produce a better quality picture in 2d like what is for trading, i was just curious about some of the quadro cards i found for cheap.
it seems based on everyone's response that it want make a difference what card i will use.
my plan was to try both the fx3500 card in the new build, then pull it out and try the NVS 295 cards x2 for 4 displays, if the fx3500 had any advantage as far as picture quality or any noticeable improvement i would buy another and use those 2 to run 4 displays, the new build will only be 4 displays powered by 2 cards.
i do have 2 other computers here both are dell gx620's i could use the extra cards in for a dual display setup with the extra cards.
like i said i was just interested to see how the fx3500 card might perform for trading application based on some of the specs, it seemed to me it might be a good choice.
anyway, i really am not sure to even try it at this point now, just wanted to see what you guys thought.
Thanks for everyone's replies about this matter.
Decisions for build
@ TIKITRADER, Thanks for replying on the board, that board seems to be a decent choice like you said for the price, and it looks to be overkill if using sandybridge cpu, i have basically downgraded my plan to use only 2 cards running 4 displays for now, so it seemed to be all around good choice, i can tell you at the moment i am confused to what i will be using in the area what board, i did decide on the on the cpu- i5 2500k it is $ 179 at micrcenter.
i guess i will get it all figured out soon and like you said the ivybridge is due out in the near future and 3.0 will be the way to go, it's not easy deciding on what to do.
i guess try and put together what components to buy and see from there.
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The Bus (PCI and PCI-Express)
http://pclt.cis.yale.edu/pclt/PCHW/BUS.HTM
The CPU, memory, disks, and all the other devices in a computer have to be able to communicate and exchange data. The technology that connects them is called the "Bus".
In the first IBM PC, the Bus was just a set of wires that ran through the mainboard. Everything connected to this one Bus and operated at one clock speed. Soon, however, the CPU had to run much faster than anything else, and the memory had to be faster than any I/O device.
In a modern PC, the CPU, memory, and video card are connected to a high speed control chip called the "Northbridge". Each device runs at its own speed:
The mainboard delivers a clock signal to the CPU at speeds of 200, 266, or 333 Megahertz (ticks per second). The CPU typically transfers data four times a second, so the effective rate of CPU to Memory transfer is typically 800, 1066, or 1333 MHz and is called the Front Side Bus (FSB). Internally the CPU chops each mainboard clock tick into smaller units to generate an internal clock. This is the "multiplier". A multiplier of 10x turns the 200 MHz mainboard clock into an internal 2 GHz clock, which is typically the quoted speed of the CPU.
The mainboard also gives a clock pulse to the memory. Because the CPU transfers data to the memory four times for every CPU clock tick, the clock speed sent to the memory is synchronized with the clock rate sent to the memory, but they are not the same value. The CPU sends 64 bits at a time, while the memory sends and receives 128 bits at a time. However, while the CPU transfers data four times per clock tick, the memory transfers data only twice per clock tick (Double Data Rate or "DDR"). Not surprisingly, memory vendors describe DDR memory as running at twice the actual clock signal. DDR memory that uses a 400 MHz clock is quoted as 800 MHz memory. However, this can be misleading. Memory has latency (a delay after the request before the data can be transferred). You may double the speed of the clock, but the latency remains the same and performance doesn't improve much.
Modern video adapter cards plug into a PCI-Express slot with 16 lines of data transfer each of which can transfer data at 250 megabytes per second. That is an aggregate of 4 Gigabytes per second, but no modern video card actually needs that kind of data transfer capability.
The Northbridge is then connected to a second slower control chip called the "Southbridge" that supports all the other devices.
The old "Parallel" ATA (IDE) transfers data down the flat ribbon cable at 100 Megabytes per second (Mb/s).
The new Serial ATA transfers data at 150 or 300 Mb/s. This higher speed is misleading, because no desktop hard drive can actually read or write data faster than 40 Mb/s, so even the slower SATA is faster than is necessary.
The standard PCI bus transfers four bytes of data with every tick of a 33 MHz clock. It therefore also has a rate of 133 Mb/s.
Each line of a PCI-Express bus transfers data at 250 Mb/s. PCI-e slots on the mainboard can have 1, 2, 4, 8, or 16 lines that combine their data transfer capability. However, just one PCI-e line is faster than the old PCI bus, and only powerful and expensive RAID disk adapters typically need more than one PCI-e line.
The USB port running in high speed mode transfers 480 megabits per second. That is 60 megabytes per second.
The AMD CPU has a simpler architecture. The memory connects directly to the CPU chip, and a slightly more powerful support chip can add video support to the usual Southbridge functions.
A car drives down the local streets at 25 miles per hour. Then it turns onto a highway ramp and accelerates to 55. Is there one road system, or two? The important thing is that there is a connection that allows a flow of traffic between the two speed zones. So data may flow from the CPU to the Northbridge at 6400 megabytes/second and then queue up to flow down the PCI bus at 133 megabytes/second. The effective data rate will be the slowest bus speed, but data can flow from any device to any other device.
PCI
Even a small modern mainboard can include integrated support for video, 6 channel high definition audio, gigabit Ethernet, lots of USB slots, plus all the usual devices. If you need a different type of audio support, a TV tuner to record programs, a document scanner, or most devices, the 60 megabyte per second transfer rate of USB 2 is more than fast enough.
However, if you need extra gigabit Ethernet, or a RAID disk adapter, or a second video card, then USB is not fast enough. You need to plug these devices into an I/O bus. For the last fifteen years, that bus has been some form of PCI.
Classic PCI
Depending on their size, every desktop computer mainboard has one to five 32 bit PCI adapter slots. This traditional PCI bus transfers 4 bytes of data with every tick of a 33 MHz clock, producing an aggregate bandwidth of 133 megabytes per second. However, this data transfer has to be shared among all of the devices in all of the slots.
There are a limited number of "interrupt levels" available in a PC. One interrupt level can be shared by two or more devices. Each PCI slot is assigned to an interrupt level, and on most mainboards that interrupt level is already in use by some device built into the mainboard (video, disk controller, audio, Ethernet, etc.). This isn't necessarily a problem, but in practice some adapter cards that you buy don't get along well with specific mainboard devices. If a new PCI card is not working correctly, and there is another free slot in the computer, moving the card may cause the problem to go away. This does not mean there is something wrong with the slot. It is probably just an incompatibility with the device that shares the interrupt level with the slot.
Server PCI [becoming obsolete]
If you need to support two or more gigabit Ethernet cards, or a big RAID adapter, or a FiberChannel interface, then 133 megabytes per second is not enough bandwidth.
Server computers have addressed this problem with expanded versions of the PCI bus. First, the size of the connection between the adapter and the slot can be expanded to support 64 bit data transfer. Then the speed of the bus can be increased to 66, 100, or even 133 MHz. Twice the data at four times the data transfer up to just over a gigabyte per second.
http://pclt.cis.yale.edu/pclt/PCHW/BUS.HTM
Copyright 1998, 2008 PCLT -- Introduction to PC Hardware -- H. Gilbert
However, you will only find these types of PCI slots on expensive Server computers, and inexpensive mainboards have PCI-e slots that are even faster.
PCI-Express (PCI-e)
PCI-Express is a new high speed I/O bus.
The old PCI bus starts on the Mainboard at the Southbridge chip. Each of the 32 bits of data is represented by a single wire that runs through each PCI socket. The same 32 wires are used to send data from memory to the devices and from the devices to memory.
It is much easier to change hardware than software, and you don't want to have to wait for a new version of Windows or of the Linux Kernel. So the first requirement of a new bus is that it appear to the OS to be exactly the same as good old PCI. It is not necessary to change a single line of code in the OS or any device driver.
Now if you are going to have a bus that runs at a much higher speed than old PCI, you will have to connect it to the higher speed Northbridge rather than the low speed Southbridge chip on the Mainboard. However, this is not a big problem because the new bus will, among other things, replace the old AGP video interface that the Northbridge chip used to generate.
Now lets build the PCI-Express bus up component by component.
Pair: Each bit of data will be carried on a pair of wires instead of on a single wire. Balanced signals mean that you can run a much higher clock speed with a much lower voltage. The old PCI bus ran at 33 MHz on a desktop and maxed out at 133 MHz on exotic servers. The PCI Express bus runs at 2.5 GHz, but to detect errors and provide timing, it takes 10 clock ticks to transmit an 8 bit byte. Therefore, the pair of wires transmits 250 megabytes per second. PCI-e 2.0 allows transmission at double that rate, 5 GHz or 500 megabytes per second, but will fall back to PCI-e 1.x speed if either the device or mainboard does not support it.
Point-to-Point: Each pair of wires goes from the Northbridge to a single device. The old PCI bus ran the same wire through every device slot. With PCI express, a pair of wires is dedicated to a single slot.
A Line: One pair of wires carries data from the Northbridge to the device. A second pair carries data from the device to the Northbridge. A group of two pair of four wires is called a "line".
Uni-Directional: The pairs operate independently, so a device can be both sending and receiving data at 250 megabytes per second on each line. A few vendors claim that the line transfers 500 megabytes per second, but this is misleading because few devices both transmit and receive the same amount of data.
The old desktop PCI bus could transfer a total of 133 megabytes per second of data sent in both directions for all of the five PCI slots on the mainboard. A single line of PCI Express is almost twice as fast in either direction, can transmit data in both directions simultaneously, and is dedicated to a single device. For ordinary desktop use, one line of PCI Express is very fast.
However, the more exotic forms of Server PCI could go faster, as could the old AGP slot. To match or exceed these higher speeds, PCI Express allows one device to use two or more lines at the same time.
Round-Robin: The PCI bus transmitted one bit of data down each wire. The receiver accumulated these bits to form the data. A PCI Express line always sends a complete byte down the wire in 10 ticks of the 2.5 GHz clock (5 GHz on PCI-e 2.0). When a device is connected by more than one line, the bytes are transmitted "round robin" by assigning each consecutive byte to the next line, then wrapping back from the last line to the first. Two lines can carry 500 megabytes per second in each direction, four lines can carry a gigabyte, eight lines can carry 2 gigabytes, and sixteen lines can carry 4 gigabytes per second in each direction (double these numbers for 2.0).
x Notation: The convention is to use an "x" followed by the number of lines in use. This is, unfortunately, often confused with the AGP speed notation. An "x16" PCI Express video card has 16 lines and can transmit data at 4 gigabytes per second in both directions simultaneously (and twice that in PCI-e 2.0). An old 8x AGP card runs at "8 times" the base speed of the interface and can transfer only 2 gigabytes per second totaled over both directions.
Negotiate: At startup time, the Northbridge sends a message down each line of PCI Express asking the device at the other end to identify itself. When it gets back the same identity from two or more lines, it configures the device to round-robin the byte transmission across the lines that are connected to that device, and if PCI-e 2.0 is supported by both the mainboard and device, it decides to use this higher transmission speed.
Similarly, when a PCI Express device is plugged into a socket, it does not know how many lines it will actually be able to communicate across. Every PCI Express device must be ready to do everything on just one line if that is all the Mainboard is willing to allocate to it. The extra lines don't add anything except additional transmission capacity.
Power then data: A PCI Express socket has some power pins, a plastic barrier, and then a slot for signal pins. The signal slot can be large enough to accommodate connectors for 1, 4, 8, or 16 lines. A PCI Express card has connectors for the power, a gap that matches the plastic barrier in the slot, and then a tab that plugs into the signal slot.
The card can be shorter than the slot. A PCI Express card with a short tab can always plug into a plastic socket that is longer. Thus a PCI Express card with one line can plug into any Mainboard PCI Express slot even if it is designed for 4, 8, or 16 lines. Alternately, a PCI Express socket large enough to accomodate an x16 card will also accept any other size of card.
The data can be shorter than the slot. A mainboard doesn't have to connect an actual line of transmission capability to every connector on the slot. Several mainboards have "Universal" x16 plastic slots to which only 8, 4, or 2 lines are actually connected. At startup the card will sense which lines are active and will use only the ones it really has.
Thus at startup the Mainboard indicates how many lines it has and the card responds on the number of lines it can accommodate. They end up using the smaller of the two numbers that both can support.
x8: Intel Servers may have plastic slots for x4 and x8 adapter cards. This is useful for x4 adapter cards, typically Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) RAID controller cards.
x1: Desktop boards often have some x1 plastic slot for PCI Express adapter cards. These are often right next to the video card slots. A gamer buys the most powerful video cards available, which typically require two card slots to support a big heat sink and fan. These block the x1 slot which is regarded as expendable. However, if you have unblocked x1 slots, they can be used for SATA controller cards (to get some extra internal or external SATA disk connections), digital or analog TV tuner cards, and even a few sound cards.
Power: The PCI Express standard requires that the mainboard deliver more power to bigger slots than smaller slots. There is a table of required power delivery for x1, x4, x8, and x16 plastic slots. Even when the mainboard doesn't populate all the data connectors with active lines, it must deliver the amount of power indicated for each slot size.
PCI or PCI-e
An ATX board has room for 7 slots. An MATX board has room for 4 slots. Since modern video adapters use 16 lines of PCI-e, there will typically be one full-sized PCI-e slot on the board. The rest of the slots will be divided between PCI and PCI-e based on guesswork. You choose a mainboard based on your own guesswork of how many slots of each type you intend to use.
The very expensive video cards have very hot processing units that require extra cooling. As a result, they are often designed to occupy two card slots instead of one. If you intend to buy one or more of these cards, you must plan to lose access to the card slot next to the video slot. If you have two such cards, they will occupy four slots. While PCI-e is faster and simpler, there are still far more PCI than PCI-e adapter cards in each category. You need to plan your mainboard to allow for any adapters you own or intend to buy.
It is useful to compare the PCI-Express standard from Intel to the HyperTransport standard used by AMD and Apple:
PCI-Express supports adapter cards plugged into sockets on the mainboard. HyperTransport connects chips soldered to the mainboard and cannot be connected to an I/O socket.
PCI-Express runs point to point between the Northbridge and one device. HyperTransport is also a point to point connection, but each chip has a bridging capability to the next chip. So one HyperTransport bus can connect to a sequence of chips through bridged point to point links.
PCI-Express has variable bandwidth represented by the number of lanes dedicated to a device. However, a device has exclusive control of whatever bandwidth is assigned to it. HyperTransport has a fixed bandwidth that is shared by all the bridged chips.
That said, this is mostly a theoretical comparison. If you buy a mainboard with an Nvidia NForce chipset, the board will use HyperTransport between the CPU and the chipset and PCI Express between the chipset and the video adapters. Each bus has its own role and its own devices.
Copyright 1998, 2008 PCLT -- Introduction to PC Hardware -- H. Gilbert
Oh gosh... PCI seems so ancient now.
and AGP
and EISA
and ISA before that...
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Quote from Bolimomo:
Oh gosh... PCI seems so ancient now.
and AGP
and EISA
and ISA before that...
If it works, don't fix it!!!
I traded with this box for many years, can't remember a down day,,, (the box that is.... not my trading)
Quote from Went Fishing:
If it works, don't fix it!!!
Here's the MotherBoard.
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Here's the MotherBoard.
Quote from Went Fishing:
Here's the MotherBoard.
Quote from Went Fishing:
If it works, don't fix it!!!
I traded with this box for many years, can't remember a down day,,, (the box that is.... not my trading)
Wow, we have covered a lot of great material in this thread.
Again, seriously Huge Thanks for all of the info everyone has contributed !
I still remember my old XT.
http://www.notanon.com/retro/dustin...-xt/2010/06/03/
Keyboard... connected with a DIN connector (before mini-DIN 6).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector
Mouse? That would cost you a RS-232 serial port. A DB9 connector.
Centronic parallel port for the dot matrix printer.
5 1/4 inch floppy for software installations.
VisiCalc! And Pong and Pacman too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VisiCalc
http://www.freewebs.com/ncstudiomario/
Well... I learned my 8086 assembly programming on it. The processor was 8088 on XT but the commands were not that far off.
Quote from Bolimomo:
I still remember my old XT.
http://www.notanon.com/retro/dustin...-xt/2010/06/03/
Keyboard... connected with a DIN connector (before mini-DIN 6).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_connector
Mouse? That would cost you a RS-232 serial port. A DB9 connector.
Centronic parallel port for the dot matrix printer.
5 1/4 inch floppy for software installations.
VisaCalc! And Pong and Pacman too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VisiCalc
http://www.freewebs.com/ncstudiomario/
Well... I learned my 8086 assembly programming on it. The processor was 8088 on XT but the commands were not that far off.
SLI and Crossfire Explained
Thursday, 24 August 2006 09:21
http://www.maxitmag.com/loose-wires...xplained/1.html
sli cr x
Boli I can go down one more memory lane ... LOL
Not myself, but my mother spent about 40 years for the same company in the computer division, and also ran that computer division in NYC for Major Retailer back in the 60 - 70's. As a kid I would go to the office and there were endless amounts of reel to reels and these light- punch cards being fed into machines.
I remember binary codes written out by hand on forms.
I used to take old stacks of these to to have fun with.
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YES... great post ! Love this stuff
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Boli I can go down one more memory lane ... LOL
Re: Decisions for build
Quote from optionman31601:
............did decide on the on the cpu- i5 2500k it is $ 179 at micrcenter..............it's not easy deciding on what to do.
i guess try and put together what components to buy and see from there.
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"Even a Thousand Mile Journey Begins with the First Step"
Guys, it seems that at long last I can post some pics of my build. Some of the labeling may look very basic, but I included it for people (like my previous self) who had never built a box before. It is a detailed as I could make it, with the purpose of illustrating how simple it is.
If you find any errors, feel free to point them out.
Once again, a big THANK YOU to everyone that helped
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Don't remind me! Near final time of my FORTRAN IV class, I dropped a deck of about 300 of these punch cards on the floor in the school's computer room. That mishap costed me all night to resort all the FORTRAN statements and data cards.
1. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811147153
2. http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Nat...15803439&sr=8-2
3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...sair-_-17139012
4. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00461G3MS
5. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0033Z2BAQ
6. http://www.amazon.com/P8P67-M-PRO-R...d/dp/B004QF0VEK
7. http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Venge...15803756&sr=1-2
8. http://www.amazon.com/nVidia-GeForc...15803828&sr=1-2
9. http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-SSDN...15803864&sr=1-1
10. http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gamin...15803911&sr=1-1
11. http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-2500...15803943&sr=1-1
12. http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wire...15803995&sr=1-1
Not in picture:
13. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002RM08RE
14. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-B2230...15804101&sr=8-1 (x3)
15. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-B2230...15804136&sr=8-2 (x1)
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Casing:
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Re: Re: Decisions for build
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Honestly, something like an 8400GS for $19.99 can't take you down the wrong road.
Inside the casing:
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Inserting standoffs on the casing, onto which the motherboard is placed. Screwing the motherboard to the casing is a common mistake which can make the motherboard malfunction:
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Since this is now done, I will try and put up the cost of the whole system and see if I could fit it within budget.
I will put up the purchases of the peripherals and monitors separately.
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Congrats Sam... Excellent Job !
Looks great and you did a terrific pic layout of the build.
Rewarding to learn it, assemble it, work from the new machine.
Very rewarding
Well done, very well done.
Great job. I look forward to you posting all the parts, and the costs. I am thinking of building again. I'm pretty sure I can buy a prebuild cheaper, but I enjoyed building the last 3 or 4 years ago.
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Well done, very well done.
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Since WF, clarified SATA II and SATA III, I feel more inclined to post the SATA III drives. This is an OCZ and comes at a reasonable price of $60 for 60GB.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820227728
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Good Job Sam
@ Sam Morgan...Congratulations on completing your build, Very Good job on the pics on your build!
I know you must be feeling Good about this, now that it is completed.
by the way about what you said about trying to decide on what components to put together for a build was Exactly what i have been going through, and i can see by what you were saying, you went through the same thing.
i will just slow down and take my time on this build for now till i can decide on everything, for me it's overload for a newbie in this area
@ TIKITRADER...since yesterday there have been 11 pages added to this Thread , Very Good info you have posted relating to PCI technologies, i will be studying on what you have posted.
Thanks for the education.
Award
@ Went Fishing...Excellent Award that you have presented Sam
Very Cool.
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Very Good info you have posted relating to PCI technologies, i will be studying on what you have posted.
PCI Express
@ Bolimomo.....Thats a Great overview of how technology has improved over the years...your right, from what i have seen on the newer boards, PCI is becoming extinct and PCI Express 2.0 and newly introduced 3.0 is coming in now.
3.0 bandwidth is extreme, it is great that the speed is becoming available to the consumer, if one needs it they can build a super fast computer.
Re: PCI Express
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if one needs it they can build a super fast computer.
You see... I don't want to model the vortex of a tornado... I don't want to analyze the noise collected by SETI... I don't want to fractal tree leaves...
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@ TIKITRADER...since yesterday there have been 11 pages added to this Thread , Very Good info you have posted relating to PCI technologies, i will be studying on what you have posted.
Thanks for the education.
I didn't know about that interesting bit of info about Google, those two guys basically laid the beginnings for the net.
you know, i am still working on that killer trading app, i have put together a decent trading template that works good, i have revised it
many times over the last few years.
it seems there is always room for improvement with programs and apps, an ongoing process to create or discover what works best.
Thanks, ...TIKITRADER, i would like to learn more in this area, and i Appreciate all the info and posts on this topic.
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Well done, very well done.
yes, it is a Great thread, with some Really Good Folks here, i know i am starting to learn from all this info being posted here.
SUCCESS, SUCCESS, SUCCESS!!!
I received my new mobo from ASUS today, swapped it out and just wished it would have worked like this the first time round. That would have made for a perfect experience. I guess there was a lesson in this too.
All 3 graphic cards work on all the PCIe x16 slots. For now, I will be running 4 monitors, with an option to have 2 more, if and when I need them.
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SUCCESS, SUCCESS, SUCCESS!!!
......... swapped it out and just wished it would have worked like this the first time round. That would have made for a perfect experience. I guess there was a lesson in this too.
All 3 graphic cards work on all the PCIe x16 slots. For now, I will be running 4 monitors, with an option to have 2 more, if and when I need them.
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........especially with that blue neon fan flickering in the front,
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My wife hates the blue neon light as it bothers her when she's trying to sleep (my home office is an extension of our master).
Oh, yes the old punch card
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All 3 graphic cards work on all the PCIe x16 slots. For now, I will be running 4 monitors, with an option to have 2 more, if and when I need them.
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What? "If"??? You bought the third card just as a spare???
Wait... oh yeah... I gave you that advice didn't I?
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For anyone interested (FREE Downloads start at 11PM, but I'm assuming traffic will be high at that point).
Download the Windows Developer Preview 8
The Windows Developer Preview is a pre-beta version of Windows 8 for developers.
32-bit + 64-bit
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home/
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RE: "Boli, is that you?"
No... it wasn't me... but my eyes were about as big as his behind the magnifying glass, WITHOUT the magnifying glass... when I dropped that deck of punch cards.
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For anyone interested (FREE Downloads start at 11PM, but I'm assuming traffic will be high at that point).
Download the Windows Developer Preview 8
The Windows Developer Preview is a pre-beta version of Windows 8 for developers.
32-bit + 64-bit
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home/
Hey guys... did you see how I traded that bull-bear candle reversal on my Eyefinity24? It was awesome!!!
Sam,
if you go to your bios settings check to see if there is an update.
I had one to install almost immediately that had some fixes in it.
That was for the p8p67 pro rev3 board.
In bios there is a check for updates button, simple to use.
Thanks Tiki, I will do this once I get fully functional.
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This morning, I installed my anti-virus, firewall etc and tested "The Son of Sam". It worked great, with all 3 GPUs being functional. I left for a bit and after that point it hasn't worked.
Basically, when I switch it on, I will hear 2-3 sets of 3 bleeps, and it sounds like everything is functioning, but I can't get an image. Knowing that it functioned perfectly minutes ago is mine boggling!. Guys, I really need some serious help here. Any suggestions?
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I think the CPU fan may he the cause as initially it came with it's own paste. Since I changed out the mono and did not have any paste to apply on the CPU cover, it may be causing over heating. I will try and do a cold boot in the morning and see what comes of it.
"Award BIOS 6.00PG/Asus P4T-E: 4 long beeps when turning on your system might indicate yout CPU fan is either damaged ot running to slow. Check your CPU fan. Clean or replace it with a new one.
Submitted by Philipp Golemis
Award BIOS 4.51PG/Soyo SY-6BB: A repeating high/low beeping. This is due to excess heat alarm. Solution: Change the settings in the BIOS or add/replace CPU fan.
Submitted by Michel Carlier (Belgium)
Award BIOS/Asus A7V133: Check "Fan Check Beeping" under the "Power Management" options in the BIOS.
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Award BIOS 6.00/Abit KR7A-133: One low pitched tone for every 5 seconds, over and over. System boots fine, but will not reboot from a warm boot. The system will reboot from a cold boot though. Check the fan speed in the BIOS and change it to a higher speed.
Submitted by Dave Lowe - NTL
Award BIOS 4.51PG/Gigabyte GA-BX2000: Five short beeps sound when the main BIOS is corrupted and the spare BIOS has to be loaded as only choice for successful boot. Submitted by Andy"
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More research shows that due to the fact that I did not reapply heat sink paste, there my be air pockets remaining, which may be causing the CPU to overheat. I'll check the temp. in the BIOS this morning and update.
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Before applying new paste, clean the original paste off with a clean cloth ( no paper towels as they are very abrasive ) and alcohol applied to it.
Just enough alcohol to dampen the cloth, avoid a excessive alcohol running off of the cloth.
Wipe down the top of the cpu until it is clean of all thermal paste and also the bottom of the fan that comes in contact with the cpu.
More than likely, as it is new paste recently applied it will be soft. Clean it anyway in case a small bit dried and creates a separating point between the cpu and the cooler.
Then apply new paste.
Also as suggested by the comments you found, check in the bios for the cpu fan threshold for a minimum speed. A threshold of something like 600 is usually default minimum.
Since I didn't have the paste and wasn't going to get it today, I just thought I'd do some trouble shooting. I reset the CMOS and viola!!! So I still don't know what the issue was, but I'm up and running............and happy
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Also dont go cheap on your PSU.
Stick to the high quality product like the Seasonic 560W 80+ gold.
Those things are rock solid, you don't want to skimp on that part.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4217/...-xseries-560w/1
In regards to the PSU, I have Corsair HX650, which has decent reviews and is holding out well.
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So this is how it went today.
This morning I removed 2 of the GPUs and 1 of the RAM, pulled out the battery from the mobo, waited 30 seconds and reinserted the battery. I powered on the PC and it worked fine. Following this, I switched it off, inserted the 2 GPUs and the second RAM and booted it up again. All worked like clockwork. The temp. was stable at 50C and I used it for a good 6 hours.
When I came back after a few hours, it had shut down and the same issue arose. I switched it off and on again. It powered up and sounded 3 short beeps (3/4 times) and failed to boot up (same as yesterday).
So far, I have come to this conclusion. The temp. and cooling seems to be ok (in contrast to yesterday) and are not the problem. The problem only occurs when the system shuts down. I'm not too sure which way to go, but I will try and diagnose the RAM in the morning to see if that is the issue. Everything else seems to work fine. Maybe even the RAM is ok, but instead it's something else that is the cause whilst rebooting.
Any and all help appreciated at this point.
Thanks
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I spent the last week laying around the house fighting some kind of cold/flu. I was surprised at the last post on this thread when I finally got to my computers. What's the status of the "Son of Sam" now, have you derived any new conclusions?
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Sam, if you go to your bios settings check to see if there is an update.
I had one to install almost immediately that had some fixes in it.
That was for the p8p67 pro rev3 board.
In bios there is a check for updates button, simple to use.
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Thanks Tiki, I will do this once I get fully functional.
I have to ask if the computer actually shuts down or is it in hibernation/sleep mode. I did read "some-things" about waking from PCIe issues and settings for such (in the bios). Although I don't understand what that exactly means, others may be able to elaborate on that. But they described issues similar to yours with RAM,displays and boot-ups.
WF, hope you're feeling better now. In regards to "The Son of Sam", I tried out the RAM by swapping them out and trying each with both the slots. The RAM AND slots seem to be working fine.
This is how things seem to be working for now. If I put the PC to sleep (manually or otherwise), it will give me the 3 beeps (which indicate RAM issues via the ASUS beep codes). However, if I shut it off, then it will boot up perfectly fine.
What I have done for the moment is to leave it switched on. I have put the sleep function to "NEVER", so the only thing that shuts of is the monitors.
I think updating the BIOS might be the fix, but I haven't gotten round to doing that yet. I've never done it before, so it will require a little reading.
In regards to the speed, it is lightning fast AND i'm using a wireless USB rather than hardwired ethernet. I'm getting a constant 9-10 Mbps (which is what I'm subscribed for) with no lag
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In regards to the speed, it is lightning fast AND i'm using a wireless USB rather than hardwired ethernet. I'm getting a constant 9-10 Mbps (which is what I'm subscribed for) with no lag
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The wireless N standard is pretty good. The speed on all my computers are in par with as if they were hard-wired into the router ports.
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I love the fact that you are a minimalist!
Multi-core processor blues...
Doesn't seem to matter how many cores you have. If your trading app is not designed to take advantage of that, it will tax one core to death and your charting is still lagging. Such was observed around Fed's announcement today. TradeStation.
Only one core was used. Hyperthreads are dead.
In comparison, when you run the Passmark Performance Test software (how your processor is ranked), it uses all available cores and hyperthreads to do the test.
It feels like buying a 8 cylinder engine car but only 1 cyclinder can be fired.
Yes, a lot of programs aren't mult-threaded, but don't be too disheartened, intel has turbo boost technology which boost the speed of the single core if the other cores aren't being used.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us...technology.html
http://www.multicharts.com/
Multithreading
MultiCharts is a multi-threaded application. This means that the more CPU cores your computer has, the faster backtesting and optimization in MultiCharts will work. With modern multi-core processors we can now meet traders rapidly growing demands for speed and efficiency in trading platforms.
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Bruce Devault- Forums MC
http://www.multicharts.com/discussi...Hyper+threading
So here's the breakdown of my shopping spree, comparing the original prices with what I eventually paid for it:
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Good deal! You are king of shopping!
Boli, in terms of getting a decent deal, this was the best I could do. I saved more than I expected; guess it adds up.
I'm sure the same will be half the price by next year!
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Boli, in terms of getting a decent deal, this was the best I could do. I saved more than I expected; guess it adds up.
I'm sure the same will be half the price by next year!
Agree - thanks for taking the time to share your journey.
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It will help those who would like to take that step.
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WF, hope you're feeling better now. In regards to "The Son of Sam", I tried out the RAM by swapping them out and trying each with both the slots. The RAM AND slots seem to be working fine.
This is how things seem to be working for now. If I put the PC to sleep (manually or otherwise), it will give me the 3 beeps (which indicate RAM issues via the ASUS beep codes). However, if I shut it off, then it will boot up perfectly fine.
What I have done for the moment is to leave it switched on. I have put the sleep function to "NEVER", so the only thing that shuts of is the monitors.
I think updating the BIOS might be the fix, but I haven't gotten round to doing that yet. I've never done it before, so it will require a little reading.
In regards to the speed, it is lightning fast AND i'm using a wireless USB rather than hardwired ethernet. I'm getting a constant 9-10 Mbps (which is what I'm subscribed for) with no lag
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Along the way, you mentioned finding a full Win 7 from an ebay vendor w/ good reviews. Did you purchase from him or elsewhere?
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I have had this problem with sleep function before it was a harddrive that refused to come up when the computer came out of sleep mode. Hope that it helps. I just disabled sleep mode and used the PC for years.
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I have had this problem with sleep function before it was a harddrive that refused to come up when the computer came out of sleep mode. Hope that it helps. I just disabled sleep mode and used the PC for years.
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So here's the breakdown of my shopping spree, comparing the original prices with what I eventually paid for it:
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You definitely got good deals on almost all parts Sam. I Checked for a few and almost all the ones i checked now are priced higher than what you paid for.
-gariki
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$5 for a brand new video card is a steal. It is a steal.
The wireless N routers are indeed very good. But this kind of short haul wireless connections... the signals don't travel very far. And the strength deteriorates more than linearly with distance. When I sit maybe 10 feet from the router, 5-bar wifi signal strength. Sit 20-30 feet away, down to 3-bar. If you have multiple walls for the signals to get through, it would be weakened further.
Any updated thoughts on your build? I have to replace some parts on my home built and am debating going whole hog. I'm thinking upgrading the motherboard, video cards, memory(would need to) and going with an I7 chip. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.
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I'm thinking upgrading the motherboard, video cards, memory(would need to) and going with an I7 chip. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.
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Your idea of an upgrade...
If you replace the motherboard, video cards, memory and CPU chip, you are pretty much building from scratch. You probably want to re-use the chassis and power supply. For the chassis, no problem if the new motherboard fits (which is in question). But power supply... you need to be careful and make sure the rating is high enough for i7 class of processors and the motherboard.
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The case is only 2-3 years old, so I don't think the MB will be a problem, but I will double check. The power supply I hadn't thought too much about as it is a 600w supposedly, and I figured when I built then it was probably overkill, but was a great Newegg deal at the time.
More research time!
Here is what I'm looking at so far. I decided to save a little and go with the i5 instead of the i7, as I wasn't getting the idea the cash difference was worthwhile. Also going a little overboard for video cards as I also use this computer for a higher end flight simulator using X-Plane. So it's primary responsibilies will be trading, backtesting, and flight sim. Feel free to comment. A question I have is will my HD with Win XP be ok? Or will I have an issue with MSFT as a result of changing the chip and motherboard? I actually wouldn't mind upgrading to Win7, as so far I like it, but could live without spending for it. Thanks
Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
ASUS P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
EVGA 01G-P3-1352-KR GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT51264BA160A
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
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"... will my HD with Win XP be ok? Or will I have an issue with MSFT as a result of changing the chip and motherboard?
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Here is what I'm looking at so far. I decided to save a little and go with the i5 instead of the i7, as I wasn't getting the idea the cash difference was worthwhile. Also going a little overboard for video cards as I also use this computer for a higher end flight simulator using X-Plane. So it's primary responsibilies will be trading, backtesting, and flight sim. Feel free to comment. A question I have is will my HD with Win XP be ok? Or will I have an issue with MSFT as a result of changing the chip and motherboard? I actually wouldn't mind upgrading to Win7, as so far I like it, but could live without spending for it. Thanks
Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
ASUS P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
EVGA 01G-P3-1352-KR GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT51264BA160A
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
Crap, Win Xp OEM version. At the same time the cost differnence between the retail of both and buying a Win 7 Pro version comes out at worst breakeven and most likely I'm ahead, just annoying.
The question for hyperthreading I have is how many applicatins actually take advatage of it? If during the day I am only trading and nothing else on the computer, do I really need hyperthreading? WHen I am using the sim to fine tune my flying skills it is only after hours. So if I am ony=ly running a trading app, sim app , or the backtesting app, do I really need to be concerned with hyperthreading?
THanks
If you use some of the more modern trading applications like Tradestation 9.1...you are not maximizing the power of the software...Backtesting is very resource intensive...
I was just trying to see how you can maximize your resources.
I do recommend you get Windows 7 64 bit....
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..... do I really need hyperthreading? WHen I am using the sim to fine tune my flying skills it is only after hours. So if I am ony=ly running a trading app, sim app , or the backtesting app,
I forgot about the XP memory limit. Thanks for the reminder. While I'd rather not spend more, I do like Win7 on the other computers.
My backtesting is going to be using Traders Studio. I guess sometimes you need to reinvest in the business.
Went with an I7, and Win 7. Bought a slightly different video card also. I am hoping it all comes in this week. I look at the deals pages of various sites and I could probably buy more from Dell for a little less, especially considering I am reusing the case, keyboard, power supply, mouse, DVD/CD, but I guess I enjoy the build option for my trade computer.
Newegg has a fair deal on a 23" Asus monitor, so I may add another LCD and lose one of my older Dell 19" CRT's that have been going for 8 years now.
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Went with an I7, and Win 7.
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64bit, I think I'm good at this point with what I use. I'm going to have to double check. Man, technology can be a pain.
Any thoughts on SSD drives? I have yet to find one on Newegg that doesn't have real issues. I kick myself for not buying a regular drive a couple of months ago when they were dirt cheap. I intended to for back up but figured I'd wait and now the floods are causing bullcrap prices.
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Any thoughts on SSD drives? I have yet to find one on Newegg that doesn't have real issues. I kick myself for not buying a regular drive a couple of months ago when they were dirt cheap. I intended to for back up but figured I'd wait and now the floods are causing bullcrap prices.
Intel 510? I know the 320 had issues as did OCZ and Corsair released at the same time.
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Thanks, I'll check into those. I wasn't going to get another drive, but thinking of chnging the plan and starting with a new fresh drive. Have to make things difficult and expensive.
Hello friends,
I need your advises.. I am looking to setup 6-8 Monitors..
Please help me build.
What kind of brand, model should required
1) Motherboard
2) Processor
3) Graphics card
4) RAM
5) HDD
6) Which monitors is best.. i think 19inch ones will be best..
what other professionals like yourself, using ?
I need to buy items by early next week.. please help
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So here's the breakdown of my shopping spree, comparing the original prices with what I eventually paid for it:
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Hello friends,
I need your advises.. I am looking to setup 6-8 Monitors..
Please help me build.
What kind of brand, model should required
1) Motherboard
2) Processor
3) Graphics card
4) RAM
5) HDD
6) Which monitors is best.. i think 19inch ones will be best..
what other professionals like yourself, using ?
I need to buy items by early next week.. please help
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Any thoughts on SSD drives? I have yet to find one on Newegg that doesn't have real issues. I kick myself for not buying a regular drive a couple of months ago when they were dirt cheap. I intended to for back up but figured I'd wait and now the floods are causing bullcrap prices.
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Yea syswizard, I am getting the idea there are various issues with SSD's overall. The couple recommended seem to be better overall. BIOS issues seem common for whatever reason. I have the parts now, and may pull another drive and use it, but am still debating the SSD option. They maybe like everything tech and best to wait a generation or two before jumping in the pool. Let the tech nuts over pay and deal with the issues. Kind of like the Apple fanboys.
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Yea syswizard, I am getting the idea there are various issues with SSD's overall. The couple recommended seem to be better overall. BIOS issues seem common for whatever reason. I have the parts now, and may pull another drive and use it, but am still debating the SSD option. They maybe like everything tech and best to wait a generation or two before jumping in the pool. Let the tech nuts over pay and deal with the issues. Kind of like the Apple fanboys.
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What kind of brand, model should required
1) Motherboard
2) Processor
3) Graphics card
4) RAM
5) HDD
6) Which monitors is best.. i think 19inch ones will be best..
RE: SSD
I have one Intel X25-V 40GB and one Intel X25-M 120GB. Both seemed to work well right off the box. No problem so far. Maybe with BIOS mismatch causing problems I wouldn't even notice.
Ok, I had planned on building this weekend during the Packers game. I'm glad I didn't as I would have been throwing parts. My latest question is I am thinking of putting it together and adding an SSD later in the week or next week and putting my Win 7 64bit on it. The HD in now runs Win XP. Can I later put in the SSD with Win 7, make it the main drive and still access the other drive with XP? I got the impression it might be a problem.
Thanks
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Ok, I had planned on building this weekend during the Packers game. I'm glad I didn't as I would have been throwing parts. My latest question is I am thinking of putting it together and adding an SSD later in the week or next week and putting my Win 7 64bit on it. The HD in now runs Win XP. Can I later put in the SSD with Win 7, make it the main drive and still access the other drive with XP? I got the impression it might be a problem.
Thanks
I am building a new machine as I type. I will post the build step by step again.
I will post a pic of the parts.
This build is for a friend who asked for most of same parts as the build I did
New build
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New build
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I am building a new machine as I type. I will post the build step by step again.
I will post a pic of the parts.
This build is for a friend who asked for most of same parts as the build I did
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This build is for a friend who asked for most of same parts as the build I did
Looks good! I like the Christmas decorations! ;)
Thanks for the input! I will try to post a pic of the final result. It may force me to pay more attention to bundling wiring and making it look neat. My current configuration is a little messy.
Ok Machine is completed and Windows7 64 installed with the NVIDIA Video drivers, Asus p8p67 pro rev 3.1 Motherboard Divers and utilities.
I have just flashed to Bios to the latest version from 0105
to newest version 2103.
I will get images of the step by step of the build.
Will not be the great detail of first build, but will cover everything
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Ok Machine is completed and Windows7 64 installed with the NVIDIA Video drivers, Asus p8p67 pro rev 3.1 Motherboard Divers and utilities.
I have just flashed to Bios to the latest version from 0105
to newest version 2103.
I will get images of the step by step of the build.
Will not be the great detail of first build, but will cover everything
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New Build running. Clean up a little more and close this up. I will post the completed images as well as
I will post the step by step this week as soon as time permits.
(earlier image)
I have to say I really like the white case. It is bright inside easy to see and the outside is just sharp looking.
NZXT Phantom full tower case
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Hi Tiki
May I know how do you re-flash latest version of BIOS .
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Awesome.. how many monitors will it help connect with ?
Which broker do you trade with also dear.. you do forex ECN ? or stocks?
thanks.
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On the Asus motherboard open the AI Suite and look for the update tab.
Then select update , from there it will be step by step to flash.
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Christmas present for a girl friend? LOL
Only if Santa comes my way... I need 3 x i7-2600k.
Completed and closed up. Running great.
Will get other images soon.
Looks really good! Reminds me of the Darth Vader's troopers in Star Wars.
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Looks really good! Reminds me of the Darth Vader's troopers in Star Wars.
The start of the recent build. Here is the NZXT Phantom case ready for parts to be installed
This case NZXT Phantom is actually quieter than the P183 case I am using.
If I would have known I would have bought this.
It also keeps really cool. Full size tower with good airflow.
Laying out the motherboard, cpu cooler getting ready to assemble. ( see previous post for start of build )
Motherboard ready for parts
Back plate attached to motherboard for the Cpu cooler Hyper 212+
Installing the i7 2600k into the socket
correct installation of cpu into socket
secure the cpu into place
Install the Cpu Cooler
notice in this build the Corona Light was replaced with a Santa Hat ... LOL
Test fit Cooler clamp to cpu
Before installing the cpu cooler to the cpu, make sure thermal paste is applied to the top of the cpu before installing cooler to the top.
install the cooler to the cpu
install fan to cooler
install power supply to the case
Power supply installed. I like modular supplies better to eliminate cable that are not needed at the time, but this case has a compartment I was able to use to store extra wires
install standoffs
backplate in case
Install motherboard in case and screw down in place
Install memory.. I drop in two sticks just to route the cables around them. I had installed all the memory at a later time
ssd
wire case
bay drives
wire drives
cable management
continue wiring
arranging wires to install
audio to mb
prep switches and power
attached pwr and switches
prepare to install 3 graphics cards
video cards installed
cleaning up wires and getting ready to install OS
power up
bios
install os w7
This was another really fun build to do. The first build had much greater detail when I had posted but I still tried to cover everything here.
Good series guys.
I'm hanging out till mid-2012 and going to build one based on the i7-3770 when it comes out. A belated Xmas present from the wife
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So what do you do? Agree to disagree. Or fight. - C. Zakalwe.
Kiwi, is the difference enough to wait for - as far as I can tell pretty similar basic spec to 17-2600?
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_...%20i7-3770.html
and I read a 20% performance upgrade (but translates to 56% from i7 950 etc.).
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Put everything together and find out my power supply is crapping out now too. I guess I get to disassemble and rebuild my rebuild one more time. Power supply is on order. %#^$&!!!!
Maybe while I wait I'll find a deal on a couple more monitors. I'm still rockin' 2 19" Dell crts in my system along with my LCDs, and I would love go all LCD.
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Kiwi, is the difference enough to wait for - as far as I can tell pretty similar basic spec to 17-2600?
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_...%20i7-3770.html
and I read a 20% performance upgrade (but translates to 56% from i7 950 etc.).
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That's why you can win the argument, prove them wrong, and still they believe what they did in the first place. You've attacked the wrong thing.
So what do you do? Agree to disagree. Or fight. - C. Zakalwe.
I couldn't wait so I had a new 2600k rig built over the weekend.
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So how much were the parts altogether? for this I7?
If comment directed at me, had it made in Thailand so not sure what value posting prices would be.
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If comment directed at me, had it made in Thailand so not sure what value posting prices would be.
No prices for this. Current 6 cores not available in Thailand.
http://www.jedicool.com/pricelist.php
likewise Intel 510SSD - I suspect they immediately sold out. Brought one from UK only to find it was problematic and had to return it. Thanks Intel, for using me as your quality control dept. seems industry policy now, cheaper for them for customer to RMA.
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So how much were the parts altogether? for this I7?
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Forget about LCD screen. Think LED. They are brighter. Good for displaying charts. With $120 or so for an Acer LED screen 21-inch, 1920x1080 resolution, not worth considering LCD any more.
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$294 at intro.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_...%20i7-3770.html
i7 2600k new build
In it something is. Now all became clear to me, I thank for the information.
Thanks allot for posting.
I really hope anyone considering building their own PC can have the confidence and understanding that it really is the best and most reliable option, all it takes is a little know how from this thread!
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent....html#tk.hp_new
When Two Monitors Aren't Enough
Thought this might help you.
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"... I really hope anyone considering building their own PC can have the confidence and understanding that it really is the best and most reliable option
Yea right, and when Dell warranty runs out you can't even get any support or a spare part without paying another $500. They give you good deals but make you pay for add-ons later on which you figure out you need. Installing systems by yourself is also better as it won't contain the clutter they put on. Just saying i had my share of bad experiences with Dell laptops.
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Yea right, and when Dell warranty runs out you can't even get any support or a spare part without paying another $500. They give you good deals but make you pay for add-ons later on which you figure out you need. Installing systems by yourself is also better as it won't contain the clutter they put on. Just saying i had my share of bad experiences with Dell laptops.
Maybe when I'm like 80, half blind with Parkinson I'll give up on building my own pc's
Might also need a nurse to wipe my a** by then, ow well...
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Should have bought Dell PRECISION laptops.
But we were talking about desktops. All of Dell's components are"off the shelf standard/compatible" except mobo (Foxconn OEM) and case. Not different from any other maker.
So... what do you do about the "clutter" that comes on a new machine? Wipe the drive immediately and install what you want. Who doesn't do this?
Seems you "view" of Dell computers is from 15 years ago.
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"... if the mobo contains Dell drivers for a specific OS and then a new version of Windows comes along, it's likely that Dell will either charge you extra for the drivers for the new OS (included in their extended support bs) or there may simply be none to upgrade. .
Thank you Baron.
I do wish for those interested this thread you may find the information useful in the steps to build your own, and realize it is not difficult but rather easy and fun to accomplish.
May the thread grow over time with new builds, and continued discussion to design the machine of your needs, new images ( post pic of that completed machine )
Sincere Thanks Baron, and all those who have shared their experience here to help others.
Congrats Tiki! This thread has received the pin-up status that it deserved!
How's your new build (not so new now) working? I built my 2 boxes 2 years ago and they have been running well without any down time.
Is it time to shop for new ones? Coronas I meant...
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Congrats Tiki! This thread has received the pin-up status that it deserved!
How's your new build (not so new now) working? I built my 2 boxes 2 years ago and they have been running well without any down time.
Is it time to shop for new ones? Coronas I meant...
I build all my own systems for last 10 yrs or so, never regretted it nor the money saved. Actually it is pretty easy, there's only about 6 or 7 major steps or parts to place together. This thread makes the task even easier.
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I build all my own systems for last 10 yrs or so, never regretted it nor the money saved. Actually it is pretty easy, there's only about 6 or 7 major steps or parts to place together. This thread makes the task even easier.
This is a great thread!!
Funny though - I think that DIY builder guys are somewhat like those crazy VW guys that try to hide all their spark plug and engine wires under the hood so it looks "clean"... I never got it why DIY computer builders needed to focus so much on cable management.
The good thing about this thread is that it encourages folks to not be afraid of opening up the case and learning about your computer. Recently I sent a client a can of "air in a can" and an extra 2GB of RAM (yeah I broke the post office rules by shipping it ) to a client with a note saying "if you see dust spray at will" and then (it was an old HP) "the RAM only goes one way, line up the sticker with the other stick and plug this into the black slot" (there were only two memory DIMMS on the board).
They were nervous and required me to come out there and walk them through it. It really isn't that scary - maybe the first time you check your oil or washer fluid or air pressure you learn a bit and don't quite know where to look... but then its easy and you laugh about it. Computers are not that hard and when the thing that controls your entire life savings is a computer I recommend that folks either marry into IT or know the basics.
Question to the i7 folks... I have never owned one. Thinking about replacing my desktop from an older dual-xeon box to either an i5 or an i7 machine.... Or perhaps a high-end Intel Atom box?? Is there that much difference between the i5 and the i7? 99% of what I do (including posting this) is over a remote desktop session. Has HT gotten better on the non-Xeon CPU's and have the heat issues been solved during "turbo boost" operations?
I've never owned a VW, but I'm that cable management guy... lol
Here is a little article on i5 vs. i7
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404674,00.asp
Fantastic thread.
I summary
"So, long story short: Core i5 is made for mainstream users who care about performance, and Core i7 is made for enthusiasts and high-end users. "
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I've never owned a VW, but I'm that cable management guy... lol
Here is a little article on i5 vs. i7
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404674,00.asp
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TIKITRADER invited me to post a pic of my build, this is my first ever and would not have done it without this thread. It is a budget build I listed the parts here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...&pagenumber=627
A question I have is if you have a dedicated trading machine and HDD and SSD why do most use the SSD for startup only? I know the costs are significant for a large SSD but if you make your living using the computer it is worth it; or am I missing something?
Anyway, thanks for the thread and inspiration TIKI!!!
This was the only photo I snapped on my phone mid build.
She's beautiful bathrobe!
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She's beautiful bathrobe!
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A question I have is if you have a dedicated trading machine and HDD and SSD why do most use the SSD for startup only? I know the costs are significant for a large SSD but if you make your living using the computer it is worth it; or am I missing something?
Makes sense, thanks
I recently started with the screen shots also to keep a digital journal. Its helpful.
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I think one should use SSD for startup as well as whatever temporary storage for the trading platform. Depending on how you trade, you may have a large pool of data needed through out your trading session. Or you may back test, and the platform needs temporary files.
Files that are more for archive purposes (e.g. if someone saves every tick for the past 10 years in the event that one needs to test out some new trading algo)... for me I save screenshots on all my trading computers about every 10 minutes throughout each trading session... those massive files can be stored more economically on a HDD as I don't access them often. And when I do access them, a few seconds extra is perfectly acceptable.
Hi everyone
This is my second time coming back to this (massive!) thread and it's the second time that I feel a little overwhelmed by some of the jargon being thrown back and forth!
Although my current PC is keeping up with my trading the one market (e/u), recording software and a few other programs, I feel like I should at least start preparations for a first build.
I have basic PC knowledge and think I know all of the essential components required to build one but haven't got a clue how to go about actually starting it!
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Tired of relying on the PC repair guy
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How to start?
Start with your pick list of all components, then make sure they are compatible and work together.
Start with CPU, may be extra heat sink
then motherboard (depends on CPU - socket type)
then memory
then hard drive / SSD
and DVD-RW drive
and video card (if needed)
and power supply (depends on CPU chosen and number of video cards)
and chassis (depends on form factor of motherboard)
plus trivial stuff, such as mouse/keyboard/monitor(s)
and OS software (if needed)
In next year when I save enough plan on building a cool trading getup. Plan on using this below to help make right selections:
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
Let us know how it works for you.
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How to start?
Start with your pick list of all components, then make sure they are compatible and work together.
Start with CPU, may be extra heat sink
then motherboard (depends on CPU - socket type)
then memory
then hard drive / SSD
and DVD-RW drive
and video card (if needed)
and power supply (depends on CPU chosen and number of video cards)
and chassis (depends on form factor of motherboard)
plus trivial stuff, such as mouse/keyboard/monitor(s)
and OS software (if needed)
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JamesEM:
RE: 1) Is it necessary to have a DVD-RW drive? Would the machine run faster without it?
The machine will not run faster with or without it. You do need at least one media reader in order to load the operating system. Or else how do you install the operating system on a brand new computer with a blank hard drive?
RE: 2) Don't you have to have a video card in order to use even one monitor?
Not necessarily. It depends on the motherboard chosen. These many motherboards have onboard video for 1 VGA output to feed one monitor. But the new ones come even with 2 outputs to feed 2 monitors. And there are motherboards that don't have any built-in video... those you need to buy a video card. And if you want to support multiple monitors beyond what the motherboard supports, you need to have extra video cards. Many video cards support dual monitors. So say if you want to drive 4 monitors, you would need 2 of those video cards.
RE: 3) By chassis, I'm assuming that's the case to house all the components?
Yes. Computer case. It is the "frame" where you mount everything... motherboard, power supplies, and it provides cooling fans to cool the CPU and motherboard and video cards.
RE: Are there any brand names to look for/avoid when looking for the parts? Where would be your first choice for looking for components on the net?
Well these things change very rapidly. It's been a couple of years since my last build. If I were to build one now, I would definitely start with the i7 third generation (Ivy Bridge) CPU. Start from there. Find a motherboard with a matching socket. Memory - 8GB minimum, maybe 16GB. Motherboards with 3 PCIeX16 slots for flexibility on future expansions. Potentially you can put 3 dual video cards to support 6 monitors. DVD-RW or even Blu-Ray drives.
There are websites, maybe even neweggs.com, that you can click on "help me configure a computer" or something like that and they give you a suggested component list. You can try that.
I have seen some Ivy Bridge bare bones systems with z77 mobo and 8a gb ram, case, psu, dvd rw and hdd on the shell shocker emails from newegg for under $600. A good place to look for deals is reddit.com/r/buildapcsales
the key word is barebone pc
http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/b...ters/core_i7/32
Yes, but if it is a trading pc only wouldn't you rather it not be loaded up with all the ather programs and what not? They don't skimp on hardware (no graphics cards though). My trading pc runs excel, execution and charting only.
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RE: 1) Is it necessary to have a DVD-RW drive? Would the machine run faster without it?
The machine will not run faster with or without it. You do need at least one media reader in order to load the operating system. Or else how do you install the operating system on a brand new computer with a blank hard drive?
Thanks to everyone for the help.
I'll keep all of that advice in mind and start getting an idea at those two websites.
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Onboard Graphics
I am considering building my next computer (never done it before). I am looking at an Intel Core i7-3770K processor with an Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX LGA1155 and probably 16GB of memory.
Will I be able to use the onboard graphics to run a couple of monitors and then use a couple of discrete video cards to run additional monitors (probably two cards running two monitors each)?
I can't tell if I can use the onboard graphics to run two monitors while using discrete cards to run additional monitors.
Thanks for the help.
Re: Onboard Graphics
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I am considering building my next computer (never done it before). I am looking at an Intel Core i7-3770K processor with an Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX LGA1155 and probably 16GB of memory.
Will I be able to use the onboard graphics to run a couple of monitors and then use a couple of discrete video cards to run additional monitors (probably two cards running two monitors each)?
I can't tell if I can use the onboard graphics to run two monitors while using discrete cards to run additional monitors.
Thanks for the help.
Re: Re: Onboard Graphics
Quote from bathrobe:
The onboard graphics will run two monitors, but if you put video cards in then the onboard graphics are disabled (you can't run them together). If two monitors is enough then the onboard graphics on that is great but if you need more there are some great cards out there.
Thanks for the input Bathrobe.
That is what I am confused about - whether I can get them to work well together or not. My end goal is to have 6 or 8 monitors, so I am just trying to save a video card (and slot) if I can. Maybe it isn't worth the hassle?
It looks like "Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX LGA1155" motherboard has only 2 PCIe slots.
If you plan to run 6 to 8 monitors, you need to plan ahead a little bit. With only 2 PCIe slots, you can only use the more expensive 4-mon cards.
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Thanks for the input Bathrobe.
That is what I am confused about - whether I can get them to work well together or not. My end goal is to have 6 or 8 monitors, so I am just trying to save a video card (and slot) if I can. Maybe it isn't worth the hassle?
IF memory is not an issue and DVI resolutions are OK NVS440 is another ebay possible. 450 uses displayport - can be problematic
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It looks like "Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS ATX LGA1155" motherboard has only 2 PCIe slots.
If you plan to run 6 to 8 monitors, you need to plan ahead a little bit. With only 2 PCIe slots, you can only use the more expensive 4-mon cards.
Mokwit and Bathrobe, Thanks for the tips on the cards. I would like to use failry simple cards, so I guess I better make sure I get a MOBO with plenty of slots.
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Yes. I am defenitely in the planning stages now. I guess I am a little confused by the PCIe number. Here is what ASUS says:
2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8, blue) *3
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4 mode, black) *4
2 x PCIe 2.0 x1
2 x PCI
Thanks for the info Bolimomo. I didn't know that about the driver, so I appreciate the tip.
"Driver" is important. The Microsoft Windows OS relies on the driver software provided by the hardware manufacturers to "drive" the device.
When you buy a new video card, they usually provide the driver software plus some utility applications on a CD in the box. If you buy a used video card, be sure to ask for the driver software CD. Some of the older video cards, their driver software may be included in certain Windows OS releases. But some newer video cards, may not.
Some video card vendors even give you a monitor manager type of app that let you move the monitor position and change the screen size. This is especially important if you have more than 10 monitors because the Display Manager app prrovided by Windows only manage up to 10 monitors.
I found that trying to download driver software from the Internet is such a hassle. There are so many fake websites and traps for "driver download". One careless click... ding, you get a virus.
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IF memory is not an issue and DVI resolutions are OK NVS440 is another ebay possible. 450 uses displayport - can be problematic
Yes the 450 as in "450 uses displayport - can be problematic". NVS 440 can't run 30" screens - forget what max resolution for 440 is. Less memory also
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Yes the 450 as in "450 uses displayport - can be problematic". NVS 440 can't run 30" screens - forget what max resolution for 440 is. Less memory also
What's the latest gold standard for having the fastest machine available to PUBLIC. I looked around:
Esignal requirements:
Windows 7 or 8
Intel i7 processor
3-6 GB ram
250MB available disk space
DSL or cable
Multichart:
CPU: Quad Core
RAM: 3 GB of RAM
Hard Drive: 1 GB of available hard-disk space
Multi-Monitor solution
Operating System: Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8
Lightspeed:
Processor: 2 IntelŽ XeonŽ E5504, 1.86Ghz, 4M Cache, Turbo, HT, 800MHz Max Mem (or faster)
Memory: 8 GB of RAM
Any suggestions?
what platform you use? what is your timeframe? what is your budget? do you really need fastest? cuz you will be looking at around $5K... depending on who you get...
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What's the latest gold standard for having the fastest machine available to PUBLIC. I looked around:
Esignal requirements:
Windows 7 or 8
Intel i7 processor
3-6 GB ram
250MB available disk space
DSL or cable
Multichart:
CPU: Quad Core
RAM: 3 GB of RAM
Hard Drive: 1 GB of available hard-disk space
Multi-Monitor solution
Operating System: Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8
Lightspeed:
Processor: 2 IntelŽ XeonŽ E5504, 1.86Ghz, 4M Cache, Turbo, HT, 800MHz Max Mem (or faster)
Memory: 8 GB of RAM
Any suggestions?
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what platform you use? what is your timeframe? what is your budget? do you really need fastest? cuz you will be looking at around $5K... depending on who you get...
What did you mean by "gold standard"?
I haven't shopped around for a while. It seems that you can build it yourself with something like:
- i7 third generation processor
- a motherboard that supports it, with 3+ PCIe X16 slots
- 8 GB of RAM, or maybe make it 16 GB of RAM
- a 128 GB SSD
- a regular 1TB disk drive (for online backup)
- 2 to 3 small, inexpensive PCIe X16 dual monitor display cards
- a good power supply
- a chassis
- a good CPU fan
- Windows 7 or 8
- plus the trivial stuff, such as keyboard, mouse, etc
You should be able to build one around $1000 - $1200 or so I think.
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Well I was going to make my own. Buy each piece individually and put it all together. I've looked at the prices of some of these websites that sell "trading computers" but I think their prices are way over jacked. I can build the same thing for 50-60% less
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- i7 third generation processor
...
You should be able to build one around $1000 - $1200 or so I think.
I think what calhawk01 said as "fastest" is just a general, relative term. We are not competing to build a machine to do weather forecast. Unless he has special requirements for his trading (but from his post I didn't catch that). i7 third generation is pretty good to me.
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i7 is by no means the fastest CPU per say, but if overclocked, and depending on the workload, it sure can be... [/
Also price/performance ratio is an important consideration, I would imagine for most people that have a 1- 2 year old machine, the ratio of used/unused clock cycles favors the later.
What can you expect from overclocking? 10%. 20%. Does it even matter if you are not close to pegging your system out?
Quote from Bolimomo:
I think what calhawk01 said as "fastest" is just a general, relative term. We are not competing to build a machine to do weather forecast. Unless he has special requirements for his trading (but from his post I didn't catch that). i7 third generation is pretty good to me.
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Quote from ofthomas:
i7 is by no means the fastest CPU per say, but if overclocked, and depending on the workload, it sure can be...
Also price/performance ratio is an important consideration, I would imagine for most people that have a 1- 2 year old machine, the ratio of used/unused clock cycles favors the later.
What can you expect from overclocking? 10%. 20%. Does it even matter if you are not close to pegging your system out?
Quote from ofthomas:
hmmm... you didnt answer any of my questions, so not sure what i can help you with... my suggestion, there are a few threads that deal with any questions you might have where everyone has exposed their opinion... just review those.
Quote from Bolimomo:
What did you mean by "gold standard"?
I haven't shopped around for a while. It seems that you can build it yourself with something like:
- i7 third generation processor
- a motherboard that supports it, with 3+ PCIe X16 slots
- 8 GB of RAM, or maybe make it 16 GB of RAM
- a 128 GB SSD
- a regular 1TB disk drive (for online backup)
- 2 to 3 small, inexpensive PCIe X16 dual monitor display cards
- a good power supply
- a chassis
- a good CPU fan
- Windows 7 or 8
- plus the trivial stuff, such as keyboard, mouse, etc
You should be able to build one around $1000 - $1200 or so I think.
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