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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 07:52 PM:

25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only

Arguing trading is like arguing religion... so I try not to.

Markets are closed today, so I'm offering my humble opinions* in response to your questions on trading issues... today only for all of 2008.

*Warning.. be prepared for lots of "you're full of CRAP" responses

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Posted by Div_Arb on 01-01-08 07:56 PM:

This is a serious question, so don't think I am being smart. How do you manage your wife as a full-time trader? My wife looks upon trading as gambling, and as you can imagine, this leads to alot of tension in our relationship which I believe hinders my trading. How do you approach "wife management"?


Posted by hypostomus on 01-01-08 07:57 PM:

With all due deference, and with apologies for asking a religious question, do you believe in and profitably employ Fibonacci retracements on an intraday or daily scale? You will of course recognize that it is a trick question.

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Posted by atticus on 01-01-08 08:14 PM:

Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from gnome:

Arguing trading is like arguing religion... so I try not to.

Markets are closed today, so I'm offering my humble opinions* in response to your questions on trading issues... today only for all of 2008.

*Warning.. be prepared for lots of "you're full of CRAP" responses



How do you manage the gamma risk on a 40-delta American KO barrier option? Thanks.


Posted by tito on 01-01-08 08:21 PM:

What in your opinion is the most profitable type of daytrading (scalping, playing relative strength, pair trading, etc.)?
Thanks.


Posted by deaddog on 01-01-08 08:21 PM:

Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from gnome:

Arguing trading is like arguing religion... so I try not to.

Markets are closed today, so I'm offering my humble opinions* in response to your questions on trading issues... today only for all of 2008.

*Warning.. be prepared for lots of "you're full of CRAP" responses



What one piece of advise would you offer to traders who aspire to reach your level of success?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:28 PM:

Re: Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from deaddog:

What one piece of advise would you offer to traders who aspire to reach your level of success?



Control losses. Don't average into losing trades out of "hope to break even".

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Posted by Champion on 01-01-08 08:30 PM:


Quote from Div_Arb:
This is a serious question, so don't think I am being smart. How do you manage your wife as a full-time trader? My wife looks upon trading as gambling, and as you can imagine, this leads to alot of tension in our relationship which I believe hinders my trading. How do you approach "wife management"?

Serious answer.She's probably right. You aren't going to make it as a highly successful trader.Women like men often have to settle for 2nd or 3rd best or worse in a married partner; so a husband with fantasy ideas for success are a dime a dozen and the little lady is only trying to steer you back to being one of the zillions of employed & useful drones which make up society.


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:32 PM:


Quote from hypostomus:

With all due deference, and with apologies for asking a religious question, do you believe in and profitably employ Fibonacci retracements on an intraday or daily scale? You will of course recognize that it is a trick question.



I don't see it as a trick question. Fibs work sometimes... often enough that they are worth including in one's observations... but they are not the Holy Grail, of course. And yes, I use "50 & 62% retracements".

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:34 PM:

Re: Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from atticus:

How do you manage the gamma risk on a 40-delta American KO barrier option? Thanks.



I don't know what any of that means.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:36 PM:


Quote from tito:

What in your opinion is the most profitable type of daytrading (scalping, playing relative strength, pair trading, etc.)?
Thanks.



I think swing trading is the best overall. Scalping is way too difficult for most. Pair trading is a form of "hedged bet". To have the opportunity to make really good gains, most traders have to make an unhedged bet on direction.

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Posted by hypostomus on 01-01-08 08:37 PM:

Thanks, G-nome. The trick was whether or not you felt you could answer candidly. IMO it is very powerful, all the more so because ET don't believe in it. So will they now, because YOU said so, haha?

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Posted by hypostomus on 01-01-08 08:39 PM:

Being a believer in simple old-fashioned TA myself, would you kindly render an opinion on pivot retracements on intraday and daily scales?

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Posted by armoured saint on 01-01-08 08:40 PM:


Quote from hypostomus:

Thanks, G-nome. The trick was whether or not you felt you could answer candidly. IMO it is very powerful, all the more so because ET don't believe in it. So will they now, because YOU said so, haha?



how is it so powerful (predictive?) if noone believes it?


Posted by 9999 on 01-01-08 08:40 PM:

Has your methodology changed significantly over the years or do the same principles apply? What was your worst mistake? When was your turning point as a trader?
Thanks for this opportunity.


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:43 PM:


Quote from Div_Arb:

[B]This is a serious question, so don't think I am being smart. How do you manage your wife as a full-time trader? My wife looks upon trading as gambling, and as you can imagine, this leads to alot of tension in our relationship which I believe hinders my trading. How do you approach "wife management"? [B]



If you are making good money, wife management is not an issue. (My wife is a physician and acknowledges she's in a fog when it comes to financial issues.... in fact, so goes so far as to say, "I never would have married another doctor. I didn't want to be married so someone who knows nothing about money".)

If you're struggling, having the wife on your case can only add to the difficulty. I don't think I have an answer for this.

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Posted by scriabinop23 on 01-01-08 08:44 PM:

Re: Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from atticus:

How do you manage the gamma risk on a 40-delta American KO barrier option? Thanks.




http://books.google.com/books?id=-5...X_gJ0#PPA314,M1

p.330

sell or buy vanilla options to offset gammas against you.

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Posted by armoured saint on 01-01-08 08:44 PM:

Assuming you let your winners run, how do you know when to sell?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:45 PM:


Quote from hypostomus:

Thanks, G-nome. The trick was whether or not you felt you could answer candidly. IMO it is very powerful, all the more so because ET don't believe in it. So will they now, because YOU said so, haha?



I don't think I've said much of anything.

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Posted by powerfade on 01-01-08 08:46 PM:


Quote from gnome:
*Warning.. be prepared for lots of "you're full of CRAP" responses



Would you characterize your swing entries as

1) based in whole or in part on technical indicators of the type that most people think of - some form of MA, ADX, CCI, or any of the other 'popular' indicators

2) based in whole or in part on those indicators that many noobs don't initially consider like VIX, TRIN, TRIX or on divergences between prices of individual instruments and one or more measures of group performance

3) based solely on analysis of price action as it's represented in charts - essentially, chart reading

4) Got to hell, that's the key to my profitability and I'm not about to tell you what it is.


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:46 PM:


Quote from hypostomus:

Being a believer in simple old-fashioned TA myself, would you kindly render an opinion on pivot retracements on intraday and daily scales?



A few years back, I checked out "calculated pivots" and found them to be non-correlative to market behavior... so I've not considered them since.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:51 PM:


Quote from 9999:

Has your methodology changed significantly over the years or do the same principles apply? What was your worst mistake? When was your turning point as a trader?
Thanks for this opportunity.



1. Over the year's I've endeavored to simplify.

2. Same principles apply. Measured risk for potential of significantly greater [perceived, at least] profit.... stops always.

3. I don't know that I ever had a "turning point"... I was thrust into the responsibility of other people's money by someone else's incompetence, and I'd figured out some basics plays beforehand.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:53 PM:


Quote from armoured saint:

Assuming you let your winners run, how do you know when to sell?



I take a guess like everyone else... some sign of "significant enough" reversal or try to nail a top at resistance.

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Posted by [Proximo] on 01-01-08 08:55 PM:

If you are a multi-millionaire why do you have almost 5000 posts @ ET.

Shouldn't you have better things to do with your time? This is a serious question.


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 08:56 PM:


Quote from powerfade:

Would you characterize your swing entries as

1) based in whole or in part on technical indicators of the type that most people think of - some form of MA, ADX, CCI, or any of the other 'popular' indicators

2) based in whole or in part on those indicators that many noobs don't initially consider like VIX, TRIN, TRIX or on divergences between prices of individual instruments and one or more measures of group performance

3) based solely on analysis of price action as it's represented in charts - essentially, chart reading

4) Got to hell, that's the key to my profitability and I'm not about to tell you what it is.



1. The only "indicator" I use is the standard Stochastic. Reliance upon it is not heavy.

2. VIX is good at extremely high values.. and sometimes at extremely low values... but mostly is poorly correlative to trading buys an sells.

3. Chart Reading... TWO THUMBS UP!!

4. I don't have any secrets. KISS with stop discipline.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:01 PM:


Quote from [Proximo]:

If you are a multi-millionaire why do you have almost 5000 posts @ ET.

Shouldn't you have better things to do with your time? This is a serious question.



1. My initial interest in ET was about hardware. If you care to peruse my posts I'm sure 80% is about video cards and setups.

2. I only make a couple of trades a day [and often none]... sometimes as many as 5, but I'm not manically buying and selling all day long. I have plenty of time to kill during the trading day. Besides, I don't try to "watch everything"... ET'ers post things they see which they believe might be significant and catch my attention.

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Posted by shortie on 01-01-08 09:02 PM:

assuming one is a reasonably good trader (not exceptionally good, just reasonably good), how do the profits change as the capital grows?

is this a reasonable breakdown: 100K capital - 100% yearly return, 1M capital - 50% return, 10M - 30%, 50M - 20%?


Posted by hypostomus on 01-01-08 09:05 PM:


Quote from gnome:

A few years back, I checked out "calculated pivots" and found them to be non-correlative to market behavior... so I've not considered them since.



Might I ask for what bar periods you found that to be true? My experience is different.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:10 PM:


Quote from shortie:

assuming one is a reasonably good trader (not exceptionally good, just reasonably good), how do the profits change as the capital grows?

is this a reasonable breakdown: 100K capital - 100% yearly return, 1M capital - 50% return, 10M - 30%, 50M - 20%?



With small money, you can trade almost anything. With big money, there are more restrictions, of course.

Years ago I did a survey of Audited Performance for various classes of 3rd Party money management... Individual Stocks, Mutual Funds, Futures....

The results were about the same for all classes.. though more volatility for futures.

<.1% had documented returns of 30%/year for 10 years. You could count on your fingers the number of documented track records of 40% from all classes.

20% return unleveraged is excellent work.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:11 PM:


Quote from hypostomus:

Might I ask for what bar periods you found that to be true? My experience is different.



I didn't back test... only watched them for about a month. The correlation was low enough that I didn't bother further.

Every day, somebody would post S1, S2, S3, R1, R2, R3... never rang a bell with me.

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Posted by infolode on 01-01-08 09:13 PM:

gnome,
What is your favorite low risk trade (gimmick) trade with the least amount of risk/time exposure. e.g. slingshot.

This excludes your present proprietary strategy and would infer to something in the public domain that isn't exploited on a large scale to date.

No such strategy maybe available for public consumption.

No answer is fine.

Peace, health and happiness for the new year,

infolode


Posted by clacy on 01-01-08 09:16 PM:

What markets do you trade currently and historically?


Posted by Pholeuon on 01-01-08 09:18 PM:

Are your stops relatively tight or loose /try you keep them out of standard stop running/? Do you place them on obvious places or try "hide" them?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:19 PM:


Quote from infolode:

gnome,
What is your favorite low risk trade (gimmick) trade with the least amount of risk/time exposure. e.g. slingshot.

This excludes your present proprietary strategy and would infer to something in the public domain that isn't exploited on a large scale to date.

No such strategy maybe available for public consumption.

No answer is fine.

Peace, health and happiness for the new year,

infolode



I would say "double bottom" or "double top" any chart time frame

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:20 PM:


Quote from clacy:

What markets do you trade currently and historically?



I trade the ES, Big SP, and mutual funds

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:22 PM:


Quote from Pholeuon:

Are your stops relatively tight or loose /try you keep them out of standard stop running/? Do you place them on obvious places or try "hide" them?



Stops relatively tight. A buffer is needed, and its size is somewhat arbitrary... by example, let's say there is chart support at ES 1500... I might have my stop at 1499-1497. If the punch into support is whimpy, hopefully I won't get stopped. If it's the real deal, I don't want to be in there for too long.... somewhat of a guess as to where to place it.

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Posted by forex-forex on 01-01-08 09:22 PM:


Quote from gnome:

I would say "double bottom" or "double top" any chart time frame



That's sell the "double bottom" and buy the "double top"?


Posted by hrokling on 01-01-08 09:23 PM:


Quote from gnome:

A few years back, I checked out "calculated pivots" and found them to be non-correlative to market behavior... so I've not considered them since.



Love this answer! I've always suspected this, but never bothered to do the work to prove it.


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:24 PM:


Quote from forex-forex:

That's sell the "double bottom" and buy the "double top"?



Yeah, that's it.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:25 PM:


Quote from hrokling:

Love this answer! I've always suspected this, but never bothered to do the work to prove it.



What can I say... I watched them for a while and the market blew past them like they didn't matter. So, I concluded that they weren't as correlative as conventional wisdom believed.

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Posted by shortie on 01-01-08 09:25 PM:


Quote from gnome:

....

<.1% had documented returns of 30%/year for 10 years. You could count on your fingers the number of documented track records of 40% from all classes.

20% return unleveraged is excellent work.



you are talking about money managers (working with >50M I assume) and 20% is excellent for them. what about those with less capital what is considered excellent return for them?


Posted by Cdntrader on 01-01-08 09:29 PM:

Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from gnome:

Arguing trading is like arguing religion... so I try not to.

Markets are closed today, so I'm offering my humble opinions* in response to your questions on trading issues... today only for all of 2008.

*Warning.. be prepared for lots of "you're full of CRAP" responses



are you an individual trader? or money manager? what is your annualized return over 25 years? what markets have you traded? what is your strategy? does it differ from market to market? who is your broker? what are your views on the psychology of trading and the relative importance it plays in your success?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:35 PM:


Quote from shortie:

you are talking about money managers (working with >50M I assume) and 20% is excellent for them. what about those with less capital what is considered excellent return for them?



I think it's the same. You can only make a high return with high risk... that is, either concentrating the position or using leverage.

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Posted by atticus on 01-01-08 09:37 PM:

Re: Re: Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from scriabinop23:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-5...X_gJ0#PPA314,M1

p.330

sell or buy vanilla options to offset gammas against you.



Wrong answer.


Posted by Trayo on 01-01-08 09:39 PM:

Hello Gnome,

I am curious to know how big a role discretion plays in your trading style. If discretion does play a role, when do you usually use it?

Thanks


Posted by steve46 on 01-01-08 09:39 PM:

Congratulations on another successful year Gnome.

No questions for you, although I do wonder how you decided on your handle.

I hope you and your family are safe and happy this year and going forward.

Steve


Posted by scriabinop23 on 01-01-08 09:41 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from atticus:

Wrong answer.



ok.. try #2:

hire atticus to do it.

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Posted by [Proximo] on 01-01-08 09:42 PM:

What's your favorite color?


Posted by forex-forex on 01-01-08 09:43 PM:


Quote from [Proximo]:

What's your favorite color?



My guess it's probably green


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:47 PM:

Re: Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from Cdntrader:

are you an individual trader? or money manager? what is your annualized return over 25 years? what markets have you traded? what is your strategy? does it differ from market to market? who is your broker? what are your views on the psychology of trading and the relative importance it plays in your success?



Now I'm an individual trader working only with family money. Years ago I ran a program called Gnome LoRisk... mutual fund timing. But as the fund managers came to think of guys like me as a "nuisance" rather than a "source of assets and fees", they kicked us out of trading their funds. I was kicked out of at least 20 mutual fund families.

I haven't tracked returns for the full 25 years. For the first 18 years, I averaged 41% compounded and had a software package which showed that in "unbelievable" graphic form.... but I ran "out of range" of the software. When I asked them to update the software to accommodate, they said, "what do you mean? We've never heard of such a thing". That was about the time I was getting kicked out of Schwab.

Your question about "psychology" is too general. Please be more specific.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:49 PM:


Quote from Trayo:

Hello Gnome,

I am curious to know how big a role discretion plays in your trading style. If discretion does play a role, when do you usually use it?

Thanks



If our entries are not automated, then aren't we all "discretionary" do a degree?

I'm always looking for "setups", "things"... as simple as a "test of a trendline", or "congestion breakout".

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Posted by Businessman on 01-01-08 09:57 PM:


Quote from gnome:

I trade the ES, Big SP, and mutual funds



Is trading the S&Ps harder now than it was 10 or 20 years ago?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 09:57 PM:


Quote from steve46:

Congratulations on another successful year Gnome.

No questions for you, although I do wonder how you decided on your handle.

I hope you and your family are safe and happy this year and going forward.

Steve



OK.. I like this story :>).

Years ago, I was working on a computer slide show presentation about market timing. My Ivy League buddy was at my house one day and asked about it. So I tried to explain about how market psychology was displayed in chart patterns.

He went home and later called me up and suggested I call it G.N.O.M.E.... an acronym for Geometric Norms Of Market Emotion... BRILLIANT! (Guinness beer commercials).

In folklore, the Gnome was the subterranean dwarf (NOT Troll) who guarded the treasure. I also had a client who was an artist and art teacher... she and her husband loved Gnome figurines... had them all over their house. I asked her to draw me a Gnome character I could use for stationery and business cards... I still have the original pen and ink drawing.

It all seemed to fit so well... brings a smile to my face whenever I think about it.

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Posted by infolode on 01-01-08 10:02 PM:


Quote from gnome:

I would say "double bottom" or "double top" any chart time frame



Thanks gnome I like high reliability patterns too under most circumstances. Way to step-up and give back with this Q&A session. In the bigger scheme your insuring your own success for the future.

infolode


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:02 PM:


Quote from Businessman:

Is trading the S&Ps harder now than it was 10 or 20 years ago?



In a sense, I think it's more difficult. But that's probably because I have residual concepts clinging to my trading psyche.

It's absolutely true that the market "changes spots" from time to time. And to succeed over the long haul, you have to adapt your behavior to the changes.... no easy task.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:03 PM:


Quote from infolode:

Thanks gnome I like high reliability patterns too under most circumstances. Way to step-up and give back with this Q&A session. In the bigger scheme your insuring your own success for the future.

infolode



I didn't expect this amount of response... I don't have enough Fat Tire on hand to cope with all of it...

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Posted by criveratrading on 01-01-08 10:04 PM:

Did you employ option strategies regularly ? If so, any favorite spreads or structural strategies?


Posted by jonnyy40 on 01-01-08 10:04 PM:

I see you like to fish.Anywhere you can recommend for some really hot action? Salt or Fresh water.


Posted by YoungOne on 01-01-08 10:05 PM:


Quote from gnome:

OK.. I like this story :>).

Years ago, I was working on a computer slide show presentation about market timing. My Ivy League buddy was at my house one day and asked about it. So I tried to explain about how market psychology was displayed in chart patterns.

He went home and later called me up and suggested I call it G.N.O.M.E.... an acronym for Geometric Norms Of Market Emotion... BRILLIANT! (Guinness beer commercials).

In folklore, the Gnome was the subterranean dwarf (NOT Troll) who guarded the treasure. I also had a client who was an artist and art teacher... she and her husband loved Gnome figurines... had them all over their house. I asked her to draw me a Gnome character I could use for stationery and business cards... I still have the original pen and ink drawing.

It all seemed to fit so well... brings a smile to my face whenever I think a
bout it.



I would have guessed it was after the name of the desktop for linux.


Posted by jtnet on 01-01-08 10:06 PM:

can you post a picture of your trading setup and or screen shot of charts? thanks


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:08 PM:


Quote from criveratrading:

Did you employ option strategies regularly ? If so, any favorite spreads or structural strategies?



I've never done options... sorry.

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Posted by atticus on 01-01-08 10:09 PM:

Outline one strategy which will produce >40% yearly returns.


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:12 PM:


Quote from jonnyy40:

I see you like to fish.Anywhere you can recommend for some really hot action? Salt or Fresh water.



I haven't fished in years... but I LOVED, LOVED it when I was a kid... used to fish the Gunnison River at every opportunity... even fished the Kanetok River in Alaska once...

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:14 PM:


Quote from jtnet:

can you post a picture of your trading setup and or screen shot of charts? thanks



I posted one once. You can probably find it with ET Search.. basically 5 horizontal screens.

Immediately displayed at most times are Dow, SP cash, ES, Tick, NQ, Nasdaq and NDX... + data screen and trading apps.

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Posted by scriabinop23 on 01-01-08 10:16 PM:


Quote from atticus:

Outline one strategy which will produce >40% yearly returns.



returns on cash... buying socal real estate LTV ratio %95 in 2000, selling in 2005.

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Posted by Thunderdog on 01-01-08 10:16 PM:


Quote from gnome:

I trade the ES, Big SP, and mutual funds


Hi gnome,

Two questions. First, why mutual funds, and what percentage of your overall trading profitability is generated from that activity? And second, why S&P over, say, NQ? Is it a question of liquidity, or simply a matter of preferring how ES and SP move as compared to the other indexes?

Oh, and Happy New Year to everyone.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:16 PM:


Quote from atticus:

Outline one strategy which will produce >40% yearly returns.



Try to catch swing lows and stay with the trend. Try to recognize a "chop" market, then aggressively buy support and sell resistance... sector rotation, stuff like that.

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Posted by Mad_Alfred on 01-01-08 10:16 PM:

Hello Gnome,


First of all - thanks for the clarification of the origin of your handle. It is good to know that you are not two feet tall and that you like to wear strange hats and dress funny ... uh, " ... not that there's anything wrong with that ... " :-)


Second, why were you kicked out of the mutual fund families? My background is in stocks, ETFs futures and options (a wee bit) --- I am not familiar with trading mutual funds, so I apologize if this is a dumb question.

Third, is there any reason why your mutual fund strategy (strategies) could not be carried over to closed-end funds?

Thanks, Gnome.


Posted by baller1069 on 01-01-08 10:17 PM:

Do you daytrade stocks?

If so what time frames do you like to watch?

Do you use time interval charts or volume interval charts?


Posted by nyxtrader on 01-01-08 10:17 PM:

Are you having fun drinking some fat tire? So you know I have been trading 9, in 16 more years, do you think I will have hit 100mm in profits? she is in love with this car wont stop talking about it


Posted by FanOfFridays on 01-01-08 10:19 PM:


Quote from nyxtrader:

Are you having fun drinking some fat tire? So you know I have been trading 9, in 16 more years, do you think I will have hit 100mm in profits? she is in love with this car wont stop talking about it



Forgot your meds?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:22 PM:


Quote from Thunderdog:

Hi gnome,

Two questions. First, why mutual funds, and what percentage of your overall trading profitability is generated from that activity? And second, why S&P over, say, NQ? Is it a question of liquidity, or simply a matter of preferring how ES and SP move as compared to the other indexes?

Oh, and Happy New Year to everyone.



I started in mutual funds before even the first appearance of index futures.. which was '82, if I recall.

In my research to determine the "best vehicle", I found the top performers in each category had about the same overall returns... just that each had its own volatility and warts. So, whichever you like is probably as good as the other.

I do the ES/Big SP just because of contract size and volume.... however I'm considering abandoning the Full SP contract in favor of more ES's... they market is going more and more electronic. Perhaps it won't be long before the pit traded contracts go the way of the dodo. All of the indices move approximately together... a "market psychology" thingy.

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Posted by jtnet on 01-01-08 10:23 PM:


Quote from gnome:

I posted one once. You can probably find it with ET Search.. basically 5 horizontal screens.

Immediately displayed at most times are Dow, SP cash, ES, Tick, NQ, Nasdaq and NDX... + data screen and trading apps.



tried search cant find it in "pictures of trading station"


Posted by Razor on 01-01-08 10:23 PM:

Hi gnome,

You mentioned that you do simple things like buy support at let's say 1500 with a 2 - 3 point stop. You also mentioned that you like to go for larger gains than original stop.

So if you were an intraday trader and set 2 - 3 point stops what is the minimal gain you look for before taking profits, ie: risk 1 to make 2, 3, 4 etc ?

Related to that question, do you believe in setting fixed targets or do you take the 'take what the market gives you approach' which always seems such a weird thing to me since no one really has a clue what the market will give until after the fact.

I have always thought mentally it would be easiest to have fixed targets and not worry how much the market went after you were out since it is all hindsight anyway. I mean mentally it would be much easier and calming to enter a trade with a fixed 2 point stop and a fixed 4 point target and just letting either one hit first not caring if it went 3.75 points in your favour and then came back to stop you out for -2.00 because over time you know that if you win 35% or greater you will be profitable but when you start taking the gain before hand at 3.00 points or 3.50 points that you have to win more than 35% of the time to be profitable since your stops are still at the 2 points.

Sorry for the long post

Cheers


Posted by jtnet on 01-01-08 10:25 PM:

Do you hold over nights, and usually no more than 5 trades a day?

how long do your trades in ES usually last?

thanks again


Posted by 9999 on 01-01-08 10:26 PM:

What's a Fat Tire?
Drink? Cocktail?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:27 PM:


Quote from Mad_Alfred:

Hello Gnome,


First of all - thanks for the clarification of the origin of your handle. It is good to know that you are not two feet tall and that you like to wear strange hats and dress funny ... uh, " ... not that there's anything wrong with that ... " :-)


Second, why were you kicked out of the mutual fund families? My background is in stocks, ETFs futures and options (a wee bit) --- I am not familiar with trading mutual funds, so I apologize if this is a dumb question.

Third, is there any reason why your mutual fund strategy (strategies) could not be carried over to closed-end funds?

Thanks, Gnome.



1. The mutual fund managers at one time "appreciated" the volume we fund traders brought to them. After a time, we got numerous enough that the fund managers told us to restrict our trading... they basically wanted "buy and holders" all along.

2. ETF's are F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S! Just like most mutual funds but with intraday liquidity.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:28 PM:


Quote from baller1069:

Do you daytrade stocks?

If so what time frames do you like to watch?

Do you use time interval charts or volume interval charts?



No individual stocks, though perhaps I should.

I know it's heresy, but I abandoned volume considerations > 10 years ago as unreliable.

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Posted by powerfade on 01-01-08 10:29 PM:


Quote from Razor:

Related to that question, do you believe in setting fixed targets or do you take the 'take what the market gives you approach' which always seems such a weird thing to me since no one really has a clue what the market will give until after the fact.



Beat me to it, if you don't mind one more from me too gnome.

Do you used fixed profit targets at all? Do you take half off after a move which you can anticipate will almost certainly correct to some extent, then adjust stops and let the rest try to run?

Also, do you like ETFs because you find that they move more smoothly than individual stocks?


Posted by screenstruck on 01-01-08 10:30 PM:

Fat Tire ahhhhhhhh


http://www.newbelgium.com/beers_ft.php


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:33 PM:


Quote from Razor:

Hi gnome,

You mentioned that you do simple things like buy support at let's say 1500 with a 2 - 3 point stop. You also mentioned that you like to go for larger gains than original stop.

So if you were an intraday trader and set 2 - 3 point stops what is the minimal gain you look for before taking profits, ie: risk 1 to make 2, 3, 4 etc ?

Related to that question, do you believe in setting fixed targets or do you take the 'take what the market gives you approach' which always seems such a weird thing to me since no one really has a clue what the market will give until after the fact.

I have always thought mentally it would be easiest to have fixed targets and not worry how much the market went after you were out since it is all hindsight anyway. I mean mentally it would be much easier and calming to enter a trade with a fixed 2 point stop and a fixed 4 point target and just letting either one hit first not caring if it went 3.75 points in your favour and then came back to stop you out for -2.00 because over time you know that if you win 35% or greater you will be profitable but when you start taking the gain before hand at 3.00 points or 3.50 points that you have to win more than 35% of the time to be profitable since your stops are still at the 2 points.

Sorry for the long post

Cheers



1. I always think I need to risk 2-4 ES points... my objective is somewhere around "8 points, minimum"... usually doesn't happen that way, but I think I can envision that on the charts before initiating the position. Also, sometime I see the potential for "50 ES points" and try to play a bias around that.

2. I have no fixed profit targets, other than the approaching S/R.

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Posted by screenstruck on 01-01-08 10:35 PM:

Hi Gnome,
do you use time based or tick based charts?
cheers
SS


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:36 PM:


Quote from jtnet:

Do you hold over nights, and usually no more than 5 trades a day?

how long do your trades in ES usually last?

thanks again



Depends where we are in the charts... too variable to generalize. However, overnight holds are definitely part of the plan at least sometimes.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:39 PM:


Quote from 9999:

What's a Fat Tire?
Drink? Cocktail?



Amber Ale from New Belgium Brewery in Ft. Collins, Colorado... home of the CSU Rams.

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Posted by Thunderdog on 01-01-08 10:39 PM:


Quote from gnome:

1. I always think I need to risk 2-4 ES points... my objective is somewhere around "8 points, minimum"... usually doesn't happen that way, but I think I can envision that on the charts before initiating the position. Also, sometime I see the potential for "50 ES points" and try to play a bias around that.

2. I have no fixed profit targets, other than the approaching S/R.


What has been your approximate % winning trades in 2007, and how does it compare with previous years?

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:40 PM:


Quote from screenstruck:

Hi Gnome,
do you use time based or tick based charts?
cheers
SS



Time base charts is all I use. Anything from 1 min to daily

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Posted by jtnet on 01-01-08 10:41 PM:

best chair, for hours of sitting every day?


Posted by optioncoach on 01-01-08 10:43 PM:

What is the fastest land mammal


Posted by OldSpec on 01-01-08 10:43 PM:

Gnome,
Thank you for this generous gift of time.
May the future bring you continued success.


Posted by Razor on 01-01-08 10:43 PM:

Thanks for the response

Cheers


Quote from gnome:

1. I always think I need to risk 2-4 ES points... my objective is somewhere around "8 points, minimum"... usually doesn't happen that way, but I think I can envision that on the charts before initiating the position. Also, sometime I see the potential for "50 ES points" and try to play a bias around that.

2. I have no fixed profit targets, other than the approaching S/R.


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:44 PM:


Quote from Thunderdog:

What has been your approximate % winning trades in 2007, and how does it compare with previous years?



I haven't added that up, and I don't think it's really important.

I remember one of my biggest years in mutual funds, >100% return, I was "in the market" only 23% of the trading days.

I remember another year where I broke even with only 25% of my trades winners.

I also remember one 5-year period of 70% winning trades... as well as one time where a client called me up and said, "Do you realize we haven't had a losing trade ALL YEAR? It was July, and I said, "you probably just jinxed us".... next trade was a loser.

It's all too variable to categorize... just take care of each trade as best you can.

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Posted by Spectre2007 on 01-01-08 10:45 PM:

it was a pleasure to read this thread, thanks for answering questions. The conclusion as can be surmised are very simple in nature but hard to follow in terms of discipline.

thanx,
chris

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Posted by forex-forex on 01-01-08 10:46 PM:


Quote from optioncoach:

What is the fastest land mammal



Without checking Google I think it's the Cheetah .


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:48 PM:


Quote from forex-forex:

Without checking Google I think it's the Cheetah .



Oh yes. FWIW.. I'm a Biologist and Chemist by formal education.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 10:52 PM:


Quote from Spectre2007:

it was a pleasure to read this thread, thanks for answering questions. The conclusion as can be surmised are very simple in nature but hard to follow in terms of discipline.

thanx,
chris



True as true can be. Trading is not complicated. It's also not easy.

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Posted by baller1069 on 01-01-08 10:56 PM:

Whats your opinion on moving averages? Do you use any?


Posted by nyxtrader on 01-01-08 10:58 PM:

I have to jump in and answer the moving average question...which is I don't believe he uses them too much. Am i right?


Posted by Spectre2007 on 01-01-08 10:59 PM:


Quote from jonnyy40:

I see you like to fish.Anywhere you can recommend for some really hot action? Salt or Fresh water.



when I saw this question thought it was about aquariums..

heres my salty... a aquarium is nice to have in your trading room/war room.

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Posted by bandit77 on 01-01-08 11:02 PM:

How much capital did you start trading with?


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:03 PM:


Quote from baller1069:

Whats your opinion on moving averages? Do you use any?



I keep an eye on the 50 and 200 Day MA's, that's about it. But it's a good idea in a "big move" market to try to find the MA which fits S/R for "the big picture"... right now, it's the 400 day, or 80 week in the SPX.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:06 PM:


Quote from bandit77:

How much capital did you start trading with?



$25/mo on a bank draft into the Templeton Growth mutual fund.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:15 PM:


Quote from nyxtrader:

I have to jump in and answer the moving average question...which is I don't believe he uses them too much. Am i right?



Dang! Your real name Claire? Claire Voiant?

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Posted by ASusilovic on 01-01-08 11:16 PM:


Quote from gnome:

I trade the ES, Big SP, and mutual funds



Thank God ! Still a big SP player here on board !


Posted by Nope on 01-01-08 11:19 PM:

gnome,

Why do you choose to trade the ES over other emini's such as the YM or ER2?

Is it strategy or liquidity considerations?


Thanks and great thread


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:20 PM:


Quote from ASusilovic:

Thank God ! Still a big SP player here on board !



Maybe not for long... Writing is on the wall.

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Posted by nyxtrader on 01-01-08 11:24 PM:

I am still waiting for the question if you scalp or not! LOL


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:30 PM:


Quote from Nope:

gnome,

Why do you choose to trade the ES over other emini's such as the YM or ER2?

Is it strategy or liquidity considerations?


Thanks and great thread



1. Liquidity mostly... But any you like or fits your capital is good enough.

2. I'm not in competition for total return performance any more, so I try to be "comfortably good" rather than "leading edge".... Jim Cramer can be a knucklehead at times, but one thing he said is certainly true... "You need to get rich only once".

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:31 PM:


Quote from nyxtrader:

I am still waiting for the question if you scalp or not! LOL



Scalping is for LOOOOOSERRRRRS... 'cept you.

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Posted by tyler19 on 01-01-08 11:33 PM:

What information do you use to base your trades? S/R? Patterns? Trend Lines? Anything else?

-Thanks


Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:36 PM:


Quote from tyler19:

What information do you use to base your trades? S/R? Patterns? Trend Lines? Anything else?

-Thanks



Oh yes... S/R lines... I also keep an eye on Tick extremes to fade (like, who doesn't know to fade a +1300 Tick?) + standard Stochastic pattern lows patterns... all really basic stuff.

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Posted by gnome on 01-01-08 11:40 PM:

I'm surprised.. haven't said, "You're full of crap" even once...

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Posted by Thunderdog on 01-01-08 11:44 PM:


Quote from gnome:

I'm surprised.. haven't said, "You're full of crap" even once...


Give me time. I won't disappoint.

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Posted by Thunderdog on 01-01-08 11:45 PM:


Quote from gnome:

Scalping is for LOOOOOSERRRRRS... 'cept you.


Scalping seems to mean different things to different people. How would you define it, since you are evidently not enamored of it?

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Posted by Razor on 01-01-08 11:51 PM:

What do you use to determine support and resistance......old highs and lows, ie: pivot points ?

Cheers



Quote from gnome:

Oh yes... S/R lines... I also keep an eye on Tick extremes to fade (like, who doesn't know to fade a +1300 Tick?) + standard Stochastic pattern lows patterns... all really basic stuff.


Posted by Htrader on 01-01-08 11:56 PM:

1. what was your biggest drawdown? Both in absolute terms and as a % of your account? And what did you do to recover from that?

2. What was the longest period of time where you made no money?

3. what is the average lifespan of a viable trading strategy? is there any strategy that has consistently worked for you your entire trading career?

4. did you ever consider changing professions after a big loss?

5. how much money did you make this year? if you don't want to be specific, then how about a digit range?


Posted by robbie380 on 01-02-08 12:05 AM:

do you remember your biggest trade? worst trade?

do you ever get into size where liquidity can be a significant concern?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:07 AM:


Quote from Razor:

What do you use to determine support and resistance......old highs and lows, ie: pivot points ?

Cheers



Any of those... trendlines, whatever... trade the obvious first.

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Posted by Razor on 01-02-08 12:09 AM:

Cheers



Quote from gnome:

Any of those... trendlines, whatever... trade the obvious first.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:10 AM:


Quote from robbie380:

do you remember your biggest trade? worst trade?

do you ever get into size where liquidity can be a significant concern?



I don't remember the biggest $$ trade.., but I remember an overseas arb play in mutual funds in Hong Kong once... for about 11% profit the next day... about a $500K winner at the time.


I'd shy away from low liquidity markets... with mutual funds and futures it's never been an issue.

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Posted by craigatelite on 01-02-08 12:11 AM:

Gnome:

Thanks for your time. If trading sector and index ETF's, do you employ leverage...never, some of the time, all of the time?

Thanks,


Posted by jtnet on 01-02-08 12:12 AM:

what instruments (markets) do you follow when trading ES?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:13 AM:


Quote from craigatelite:

Gnome:

Thanks for your time. If trading sector and index ETF's, do you employ leverage...never, some of the time, all of the time?

Thanks,



I'm not a big leverage player... "survivability first" is my style... I doubt I've had more than 2:1 leverage on my capital any time in the last 20 years.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:15 AM:


Quote from jtnet:

what instruments (markets) do you follow when trading ES?



Index futures are all about a "market psychology play"... when the ES moves, so do the others... I suggest you watch the Dow, ES, SPX, NQ and the Naz's... anything else which you think appears relevant at the time... sometimes that might be Financial, Semiconductor, or Small Cap sectors..

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Posted by baller1069 on 01-02-08 12:15 AM:

Have you at all followed the AHG thread - what are your views on that method?


Posted by xyannix on 01-02-08 12:16 AM:

What is your max risk on a trade? Percentage


Posted by robbie380 on 01-02-08 12:18 AM:

just saw you used to be a bowler. i was too before i broke my elbow. where did you bowl at? i bowled at the university of texas. granted, i wasn't amazing but it was good times. do you still bowl? and just curious how old are you now?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:18 AM:


Quote from baller1069:

Have you at all followed the AHG thread - what are your views on that method?



I don't know what that is...

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Posted by quin8670 on 01-02-08 12:18 AM:

After all these years and all the money made is trading quite boring?


Posted by topguntrader1 on 01-02-08 12:19 AM:

1) How did you deal with your psychology as you began to trade with bigger size?

2) Are your stops always fixed before and after you enter a trade?

3) Do you build a position when you see a setup? Or do you enter all contracts at once?

4) What type of money management system are you using?

thanks

TG


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:20 AM:


Quote from xyannix:

What is your max risk on a trade? Percentage



With the funds and their end-of-day fills, stops can't be controlled as much as one would like.

With futures, my usual max is about 4 ES points.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:21 AM:


Quote from quin8670:

After all these years and all the money made is trading quite boring?



Sometimes seems stale... but what else could one do and make equivalent money?

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:22 AM:


Quote from topguntrader1:

1) How did you deal with your psychology as you began to trade with bigger size?

2) Are your stops always fixed before and after you enter a trade?

3) Do you build a position when you see a setup? Or do you enter all contracts at once?

4) What type of money management system are you using?

thanks

TG



Size is just percentage... you have to keep in mind... that while the upside is THOUSANDS of percent, the downside is always only -100%. The actual number of dollars is irrelevant.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:23 AM:


Quote from topguntrader1:

1) How did you deal with your psychology as you began to trade with bigger size?

2) Are your stops always fixed before and after you enter a trade?

3) Do you build a position when you see a setup? Or do you enter all contracts at once?

4) What type of money management system are you using?

thanks

TG



I usually enter all at once. Try to risk "x" for "2X+ perceived potential profit"... sometimes the sights are much bigger than 2X, depending upon the charts.

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Posted by craigatelite on 01-02-08 12:25 AM:

Gnome:

In reading all the posts so far, can I deduce that you are not a fan of the Hedge Fund industry?...more specifically, H/F strategies, not H/F profits.


Posted by gluebunny on 01-02-08 12:25 AM:

Thanks for the generous offer gnome.

It's a very personalized issue but are there any techniques that you use to emotionally detach yourself from your trading?

"Not liking to lose" gets in my way and my goal for 2008 is to solve that. Having losing trades doesn't bother me as it's part of life, but when i mess up to create a loss it irks me and it affects my trading for a little while. I'm spending a lot of time in the Psych forum as well as reading Michael Douglas and others.

Any tips appreciated.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:27 AM:


Quote from robbie380:

just saw you used to be a bowler. i was too before i broke my elbow. where did you bowl at? i bowled at the university of texas. granted, i wasn't amazing but it was good times. do you still bowl? and just curious how old are you now?



I can sympathize. I was a "world beater" locally at 28 and developed chronic tendinitis.... had to retire. Was voted "Bowler of the Decade" by local bowling newspaper. I was confident that if I could avoid injury and have a normal length career, I'd be in the ABC Hall of Fame some day... didn't happen, of course.

I didn't bowl collegiately... was already a pro.... Was a military World Wide Interservice Champion and junior phenom.

I haven't bowled in years. They ruined the game with technology.... too bad.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:30 AM:


Quote from craigatelite:

Gnome:

In reading all the posts so far, can I deduce that you are not a fan of the Hedge Fund industry?...more specifically, H/F strategies, not H/F profits.



I don't know for sure, but I presume the concept of "hedge fund" is mostly a misnomer... actually "a leveraged directional play to take a shot at BIG profits so that the managers can earn their 2&20"... wouldn't mind making that myself, but would like to think I'd go about it with more of a sense of accountability.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:35 AM:


Quote from gluebunny:

Thanks for the generous offer gnome.

It's a very personalized issue but are there any techniques that you use to emotionally detach yourself from your trading?

"Not liking to lose" gets in my way and my goal for 2008 is to solve that. Having losing trades doesn't bother me as it's part of life, but when i mess up to create a loss it irks me and it affects my trading for a little while. I'm spending a lot of time in the Psych forum as well as reading Michael Douglas and others.

Any tips appreciated.



That's a tough one. I always think of "how would Mr. Spock trade?"... he'd study the situation and do what's "most logical"... try to get your head around that.

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Posted by Gary Fox on 01-02-08 12:37 AM:

1. Of the current or past ET posters, who are/were your 2 or 3 favorite?

2. Is there any current of past ET poster that you think trades like you? Any published person via a book or magazine article trade like you?

3. If you were suddenly unable to trade due to particular circumstances, and your family and friends asked you to recommend someone to watch over and grow their assets, who would you recommend?


TIA

GF


Posted by Mad_Alfred on 01-02-08 12:42 AM:

Gnome,

You've achieved a lot of success, obviously, so let's do this backwards.

What would you say are your weaknesses or areas that you would like to improve?


And then, what strengths do you feel that you possess that have been essential to your success?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:44 AM:


Quote from Gary Fox:

1. Of the current or past ET posters, who are/were your 2 or 3 favorite?

2. Is there any current of past ET poster that you think trades like you? Any published person via a book or magazine article trade like you?

3. If you were suddenly unable to trade due to particular circumstances, and your family and friends asked you to recommend someone to watch over and grow their assets, who would you recommend?


TIA

GF



Unfortunately I don't follow what's posted about trading too much... remember, I think trading convictions are too much like religion and always a difficult argument...

I don't know who trades like me.. but I don't do anything mysterious, just the basics.

I wouldn't like to single anyone out without asking them first.. but there are a few.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 12:48 AM:


Quote from Mad_Alfred:

Gnome,

You've achieved a lot of success, obviously, so let's do this backwards.

What would you say are your weaknesses or areas that you would like to improve?


And then, what strengths do you feel that you possess that have been essential to your success?



First, I'm positive that the money I have is from "the losses I DIDN'T take". I think stop discipline is the #1 attribute of success.

My overwhelming weakness has been too low of a level of aggressiveness. However, you can't "protect capital at all costs" and be "aggressive" at the same time. Everyone has to find their balance. Mine is on the conservative side, for better or worse.

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Posted by vjr on 01-02-08 12:48 AM:

what's your average position size on the ES?


Posted by indahook on 01-02-08 12:50 AM:

Happy new year to you gnome!

No questions here. Just hoping that close proximity to you here in this series of tubes rubs off a bit.


Posted by dumbgai on 01-02-08 12:51 AM:

HI GNOME

thanks for taking the time to post.

how many positions do you have on average at one time ?

with that much money, do you divide a position in to blocks and slowly accumulate some shares over the day or or is liquidity not an issue?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:04 AM:


Quote from dumbgai:

HI GNOME

thanks for taking the time to post.

how many positions do you have on average at one time ?

with that much money, do you divide a position in to blocks and slowly accumulate some shares over the day or or is liquidity not an issue?



If all of the things I've played over the years, none have had liquidity issues for my size.

I would only have 1 or 2 issues on at once... usually a mutual fund and a stock index futures, if 2.

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Posted by sim03 on 01-02-08 01:15 AM:


Quote from jtnet:

can you post a picture of your trading setup and or screen shot of charts? thanks



Quote from gnome:

I posted one once. You can probably find it with ET Search.. basically 5 horizontal screens.

Immediately displayed at most times are Dow, SP cash, ES, Tick, NQ, Nasdaq and NDX... + data screen and trading apps.



Quote from jtnet:

tried search cant find it in "pictures of trading station"



Here you go:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...418#post1459418


Posted by William Rennick on 01-02-08 01:19 AM:

This is a fantastic thread gnome, thank you.

A few questions.
1) is there a particular day of the week that is best/worst to trade?
2)What is your most effective reason/factor/signal for entering a trade.
3) Do you ever trade in front of important data?
4)How do you trade breaking news, if you already have a position.

Thanks.

Rennick


Posted by rtstrading on 01-02-08 01:22 AM:


Quote from gnome:

$25/mo on a bank draft into the Templeton Growth mutual fund.



I started with $100/month into 44 Wall Street in 1977.


Posted by austinp on 01-02-08 01:26 AM:

gnome, I sure hope you broke little maksie from the lapdog thing early on. Otherwise I'm afraid you're in the same boat as me... clingy dog(s) landing on your lap right when markets begin to break a move.

Cozy den, adorable trading partner, way more than enough screens... what else can one ask for than that?

Excellent thread, from one of the best posters ever to grace this forum


Posted by arealpissedgoy on 01-02-08 01:32 AM:

Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only

At what age did you begin?

How did you begin?

Time to profitability?

What markets do you trade?

Do you use any indicators?

How many of the 100 million do you have now?

....well I could go on. But any on the above will do.


Posted by jtnet on 01-02-08 01:34 AM:


Quote from sim03:

Here you go:

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...418#post1459418



somone making 100mill, trades on folding tables and a cut up table cloth for curtain?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:34 AM:


Quote from rtstrading:

I started with $100/month into 44 Wall Street in 1977.



I have one of my most memorable trades in 44 Wall Street...

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:37 AM:


Quote from William Rennick:

This is a fantastic thread gnome, thank you.

A few questions.
1) is there a particular day of the week that is best/worst to trade?
2)What is your most effective reason/factor/signal for entering a trade.
3) Do you ever trade in front of important data?
4)How do you trade breaking news, if you already have a position.

Thanks.

Rennick



I know of no significance to "day of the week".

Best reason is "chart structure".

Trading in front of news is mostly gamble... not the best reason to risk.

News.. sometimes you chase the reaction, sometimes fade.. no general rule.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:45 AM:

Re: Re: 25 Years & $100 Million Profits... A to your Q's, Today Only


Quote from arealpissedgoy:

At what age did you begin?

How did you begin?

Time to profitability?

What markets do you trade?

Do you use any indicators?

How many of the 100 million do you have now?

....well I could go on. But any on the above will do.



Started trading about age 35.... rest of the questions already answered except for my net worth... too personal for ET, you know?

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Posted by Mercor on 01-02-08 01:45 AM:

Where is your tip jar?


Posted by Pension_Admin on 01-02-08 01:45 AM:

I have been a struggling trader for a long time and I pretty much given up all hopes for success in trading, but I am going to stick to trading just to see if being persistence would pay off.

It would be great if a successful trader like yourself could give me and other traders like me a bit of guidance and let us know if we are heading the right direction.


Many thanks!

Pension_Admin


Posted by CPTrader on 01-02-08 01:46 AM:

Gnome,

Interesting and insightful thread.

Thank you.

My synthesis of gnome's experience/perspective is: He is a classic discretionary trader with a systematic/near-systematic conservative and strict risk management overlay.

And in essence this is the key to successful trading: Strict risk management.

Like we've heard many times - the essence of successful trading is "simple" - perhaps not easy to implement in practice but conceptually VERY SIMPLE.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:46 AM:


Quote from Mercor:

Where is your tip jar?



LOL... not necessary

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Posted by scriabinop23 on 01-02-08 01:54 AM:

gnome: I just PMed you a solicitation for partnership on a automated system I designed, if you are so well capitalized and looking for noncorrelated options.

But... This 100m is net profit, after losses?

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:56 AM:


Quote from Pension_Admin:

I have been a struggling trader for a long time and I pretty much given up all hopes for success in trading, but I am going to stick to trading just to see if being persistence would pay off.

It would be great if a successful trader like yourself could give me and other traders like me a bit of guidance and let us know if we are heading the right direction.


Many thanks!

Pension_Admin



1. Look for chart correlations to future moves.

2. Try to "risk a little" for the opportunity to "make a lot"

3. 50% winners is plenty if wins = 2x+ losers.

Here's an example of BEST CORRELATION...

"Nasdaq dips -16% to up-slope 200 Day MA , and bounces*.... so, go long" That's just about as good as it gets. Well, you're going to see that only once per year or less. What else is "good", though probably not as reliable as that? It's in the charts.

*Everybody on ET can pay their house off with this one... you're welcome!!

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:59 AM:


Quote from scriabinop23:

gnome: I just PMed you a solicitation for partnership on a automated system I designed, if you are so well capitalized and looking for noncorrelated options.

But... This 100m is net profit, after losses?



You can consider that "net", but for me AND former clients... only a percentage of that stuck to my fingers... but is wasn't only 2%.

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Posted by wilburbear on 01-02-08 01:59 AM:


Quote from jtnet:

somone making 100mill, trades on folding tables and a cut up table cloth for curtain?



Sorry you've all been misled by this guy.


Posted by topguntrader1 on 01-02-08 02:05 AM:

1- How do you deal with the pressures when you first started trading at age 35? What did you do to overcome it?
2- How long did it take you to reach consistent profitability?
3- What was the one thing that took your trading to the next level?

thanks for your invaluable insights

TG


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:09 AM:


Quote from topguntrader1:

1- How do you deal with the pressures when you first started trading at age 35? What did you do to overcome it?
2- How long did it take you to reach consistent profitability?
3- What was the one thing that took your trading to the next level?

thanks for your invaluable insights

TG



At 35, I was a smart guy with no job and no money... I lived in a 1 bedroom apartment and drove a VW beetle... I somehow morphed into trading mutual funds and SP futures after that. Considering I started with $25/mo. on a bank draft into Templeton Growth Fund, I'm sometimes taken back as to where all the money came from... compounding??

I never really had to "overcome" anything... I'd figured out certain technical "things" about the market before I started in earnest.

I don't know what the "next level" is... maybe I'll find it soon...

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Posted by clacy on 01-02-08 02:11 AM:


Quote from jtnet:

somone making 100mill, trades on folding tables and a cut up table cloth for curtain?



Based on gnome's past posts, he strikes me as the type of guy that would live a very conservative life style, regardless of how much money he had. I don't think this picture proves or disproves anything in regards to his success or lack of.


Posted by scriabinop23 on 01-02-08 02:12 AM:


Quote from gnome:

You can consider that "net", but for me AND former clients... only a percentage of that stuck to my fingers.



oh then. how many years did you trade near peak account size and what was the amount under management most of the yrs that generated your bulk profit ?

I imagine your account is now much smaller since you aren't trading opm anymore ?? and if thats the case, is recent profitability just as good?

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Posted by caementarius on 01-02-08 02:14 AM:

Serious quesiton: Do you have a need for an intern this summer?

I have a strong background as a programmer and I'm studying finance in an MBA program (hence the internship search). Importantly, I work hard and follow directions!


Posted by Pension_Admin on 01-02-08 02:15 AM:


Quote from wilburbear:

Sorry you've all been misled by this guy.



It is understandable that a successful trader would rather spend money on other luxury items than on work itself.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:15 AM:


Quote from clacy:

Based on gnome's past posts, he strikes me as the type of guy that would live a very conservative life style, regardless of how much money he had. I don't think this picture proves or disproves anything in regards to his success or lack of.



The picture? Wife picked those curtains out. We live in a $400-$600/sq ft part of town.. in a house built in the 1930's... adequate for now.

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Posted by walter4 on 01-02-08 02:16 AM:

Great thread, thanks gnome!


Posted by pokerg1 on 01-02-08 02:17 AM:

do/did you trade IPOs?
what reading material/s or sites do you recommend for IPOs?
do you have any tips or advice for trading IPOs?
what is the average percentage you gain yearly?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:17 AM:


Quote from caementarius:

Serious quesiton: Do you have a need for an intern this summer?

I have a strong background as a programmer and I'm studying finance in an MBA program (hence the internship search). Importantly, I work hard and follow directions!



Thanks, but I'm just trading family money now.

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Posted by robbie380 on 01-02-08 02:18 AM:


Quote from jtnet:

somone making 100mill, trades on folding tables and a cut up table cloth for curtain?




you don't need an immaculate office to trade. lol you should see my space at work.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:18 AM:


Quote from pokerg1:

do/did you trade IPOs?
what reading material/s or sites do you recommend for IPOs?
do you have any tips or advice for trading IPOs?
what is the average percentage you gain yearly?



No IPOs, no individual stocks... sorry

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Posted by Asparagus on 01-02-08 02:21 AM:

do you advocate buying strength, or weakness?


Posted by pokerg1 on 01-02-08 02:24 AM:

what is the average percentage you gain yearly and approximately how many trades you make a year?


Posted by ucf_student on 01-02-08 02:24 AM:

Hi, I was a daytrader for 4 yrs give or take and realized I may be better off swing trading while working a regular job. I have developed a swing trading methodology which looks very promising and plan to use when I have more capital and time as I'm in grad school now. It basically can trade anything in a strong long term trend.

I'm looking at the money management aspect of it now ....... from what I've read you are in all at once for your positions? Do you ever scale in/out? Why or why not?

Finally what are your thoughts on adding to winners? I'm thinking I can add positions after so much positive equity on a trade and can hold part of a trade for a "home run" which does come w/ trading only instruments in a strong trend.

Any misc advice you can give me before I start swing trading or any other pearls of wisdom you can bestow upon me is greatly appreciated thanks.


Posted by clacy on 01-02-08 02:26 AM:


Quote from gnome:

The picture? Wife picked those curtains out. We live in a $400-$600/sq ft part of town.. in a house built in the 1930's... adequate for now.



You don't have to defent yourself to me. I'll take you at your word. I was responding to another post.

My point is that you don't have to live a flashy lifestyle if you have large amounts of wealth, which is what the poster was alluding to.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:27 AM:


Quote from scriabinop23:

oh then. how many years did you trade near peak account size and what was the amount under management most of the yrs that generated your bulk profit ?

I imagine your account is now much smaller since you aren't trading opm anymore ?? and if thats the case, is recent profitability just as good?



Ironic how that worked out... as I gained nortariety from winning parts of the U.S Investing Championships in '94, my assets under management quickly grew to about $60 Million... but the mutual fund managers were soon to be kicking all but the smallest of us guys OUT. (So, if you're lousy and small, you were welcome to stay?)

My profitability has always been streaky... when "I've read it right", I've done great. When not, struggled around flat. I've had 4 years of +100% return on capital, several years of 5-10%... others between. I'd love to be "consistent", but haven't been able to get there... I accepted that.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:29 AM:


Quote from ucf_student:

Hi, I was a daytrader for 4 yrs give or take and realized I may be better off swing trading while working a regular job. I have developed a swing trading methodology which looks very promising and plan to use when I have more capital and time as I'm in grad school now. It basically can trade anything in a strong long term trend.

I'm looking at the money management aspect of it now ....... from what I've read you are in all at once for your positions? Do you ever scale in/out? Why or why not?

Finally what are your thoughts on adding to winners? I'm thinking I can add positions after so much positive equity on a trade and can hold part of a trade for a "home run" which does come w/ trading only instruments in a strong trend.

Any misc advice you can give me before I start swing trading or any other pearls of wisdom you can bestow upon me is greatly appreciated thanks.



I don't "scale".. I'm playing a point on the charts... that's it.

A scaling style is OK if it fits your psyche.

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Posted by drsteph on 01-02-08 02:32 AM:

your name faked me

Actually Gnome, I thought your name was a play on the 'gnomes of zurich' and the folklore about them, particularly with your strong opinions about the CB's and monetary devaluation. You and I probably share similar opinions and backgrounds by the way.

Here's my question, coming from someone who has been around a while as well.

#1. With increasing computerization, do you find that dumb, black box systems trading no longer works as well as it used to, or at all? (You remember the gravy days in MA's I am sure) Do you trade a system, but find yourself increasingly overriding it (which is NOT what you are 'supposed' to do)?

#2. With increasing computerization, for a trader with a smaller acct (<1mio USD) if you were to trade individual equities, would you stick to the more thinly traded equities to fly 'under the radar' and avoid the distortions that the big boys can create in the more liquid securities, (particularly for those HF's willing to use leverage)? Or from a practical standpoint do you think the relative lack of liquidity is insufficient to provide you with any 'edge' in that smaller account category?

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Posted by spinn on 01-02-08 02:34 AM:

What if I have a method I was taught four years ago and have been studying ever since and now understand it.

It is "grey box" and requires judgment but you are aware by the shape of the indicators when it is "safe to take a trade in a given direction.

It trades based on depth of market participation cycles and is very accurate.

The problems lie mostly in psychology.

1) How can I make money and trade while still learning with a small account?

2) When can I quit my day job?

3) How can I find people to partner with me to develop computer code to search for opportunities?

This has tremendous potential and I am wasting it, which is heartbreaking.

I need to find people who recognize how accurate this could be if a computer could search thousands of markets for the right set ups....they are not that rare.

I am in Washington, DC.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:34 AM:


Quote from clacy:

You don't have to defent yourself to me. I'll take you at your word...." you don't have to live a flashy lifestyle if you have large amounts of wealth...



I don't think of myself as having "large amounts of wealth"...

But, I got more than most of you mugs.. and THAT'S what counts...

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Posted by nyxtrader on 01-02-08 02:36 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I don't think of myself as having "large amounts of wealth"...

But, I got more than most of you mugs.. and THAT'S what counts...



That is the ONLY thing that matters!!


Posted by clacy on 01-02-08 02:38 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I don't think of myself as having "large amounts of wealth"...

But, I got more than most of you mugs.. and THAT'S what counts...



On a similar note, you don't have to be the best trader in the world, you just have to be better thant the guy in the other side of your trade.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:40 AM:

Re: your name faked me


Quote from drsteph:

Actually Gnome, I thought your name was a play on the 'gnomes of zurich' and the folklore about them, particularly with your strong opinions about the CB's and monetary devaluation. You and I probably share similar opinions and backgrounds by the way.

Here's my question, coming from someone who has been around a while as well.

#1. With increasing computerization, do you find that dumb, black box systems trading no longer works as well as it used to, or at all? (You remember the gravy days in MA's I am sure) Do you trade a system, but find yourself increasingly overriding it (which is NOT what you are 'supposed' to do)?

#2. With increasing computerization, for a trader with a smaller acct (<1mio USD) if you were to trade individual equities, would you stick to the more thinly traded equities to fly 'under the radar' and avoid the distortions that the big boys can create in the more liquid securities, (particularly for those HF's willing to use leverage)? Or from a practical standpoint do you think the relative lack of liquidity is insufficient to provide you with any 'edge' in that smaller account category?



1. You already know how much I hate the Gummint, its lies, policies.. etc. and the Central Banks... We're all frickin' doomed, and not politically sophisticated enough to THROW THE BUMS OUT.. just the way they like it...

2. Computerization and concentration of assets has changed the markets. The play now seems to be for shorter term and smaller profits. We have to adapt to that or be left in the dust.

3. I don't believe in "edges". Few of us ever find one, and when we do it's likely to be illegal. Regardless, trade with chart discipline... it's your best shot.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:43 AM:


Quote from spinn:

What if I have a method I was taught four years ago and have been studying ever since and now understand it.

It is "grey box" and requires judgment but you are aware by the shape of the indicators when it is "safe to take a trade in a given direction.

It trades based on depth of market participation cycles and is very accurate.

The problems lie mostly in psychology.

1) How can I make money and trade while still learning with a small account?

2) When can I quit my day job?

3) How can I find people to partner with me to develop computer code to search for opportunities?

This has tremendous potential and I am wasting it, which is heartbreaking.

I need to find people who recognize how accurate this could be if a computer could search thousands of markets for the right set ups....they are not that rare.

I am in Washington, DC.



Gaining cred is tough. All I can say is keep a record of all you do. When you've done well enough and long enough, you will find your way to bigger money.

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Posted by Htrader on 01-02-08 02:45 AM:


Quote from Htrader:

1. what was your biggest drawdown? Both in absolute terms and as a % of your account? And what did you do to recover from that?

2. What was the longest period of time where you made no money?

3. what is the average lifespan of a viable trading strategy? is there any strategy that has consistently worked for you your entire trading career?

4. did you ever consider changing professions after a big loss?

5. how much money did you make this year? if you don't want to be specific, then how about a digit range?



Any reason why you didn't answer any of my questions?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:47 AM:


Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

how do you make LSD?



When I was in college, they told us that we would learn to make both a bomb and a still... and that our future in the program would be greatly influenced by our NOT making either...

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Posted by Mad_Alfred on 01-02-08 02:52 AM:

Mr. Gnome,

Reading that you follow the Central Banks and such;


Is there any reason why you don't trade FX? Seems like it would be a fertile ground for profits, given the liquidity and the tendency for sustained trends?

Second, kind of the same thing can be said for the domestic interest rate instruments - Bond futures and etc. If you have an opinion on inflation, if you are right half of the time, if you make at least 2x when you are right vs. when you are not - why not partake?

I am assuming you don't only because you haven't mentioned that you are involved in either.

If you do trade these instruments already, never mind ...


Posted by Bigpipn on 01-02-08 02:54 AM:


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:54 AM:


Quote from Htrader:

Any reason why you didn't answer any of my questions?



I'm not all that interested in revealing personal information to THOUSANDS of viewers. My intention for this thread was to be about "trading concepts".

If you're wondering whether I'm BS'n... Well, I won 3 divisions of the US Investing Championships in '94... and had the #1 rated advisory service in MoniResearch Newsletter for a few years before being kicked out of all the mutual funds.... all verifiable if you care to.

If that doesn't float your boat, please disregard all I've said.

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Posted by JSHINV on 01-02-08 02:55 AM:

Reading your posts, seems like you had fun making the money.

Thanks for sharing.

A few people on this board like you, are wealthy traders who know more than some others writing books on trading. I think that is because you'd rather trade than write books.

Point being, this has been extremely informative.

My hat goes off to you.....


Quote from gnome:

I don't think of myself as having "large amounts of wealth"...

But, I got more than most of you mugs.. and THAT'S what counts...


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:56 AM:


Quote from Mad_Alfred:

Mr. Gnome,

Reading that you follow the Central Banks and such;


Is there any reason why you don't trade FX? Seems like it would be a fertile ground for profits, given the liquidity and the tendency for sustained trends?

Second, kind of the same thing can be said for the domestic interest rate instruments - Bond futures and etc. If you have an opinion on inflation, if you are right half of the time, if you make at least 2x when you are right vs. when you are not - why not partake?

I am assuming you don't only because you haven't mentioned that you are involved in either.

If you do trade these instruments already, never mind ...



I never traded FX... and have heard many stories about its "bucket shop-ness"... so never looked into it.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:00 AM:


Quote from JSHINV:

"... know more than some others writing books on trading. I think that is because you'd rather trade than write books.




Oh, I COULD write a book... but in all honesty, it would be more like a "pamphlet"... you know, "Chaper 1" stuff... the things everyone was in a hurry to get past so they could get on to the good stuff... tsk, tsk.

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Posted by timbo on 01-02-08 03:00 AM:


Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

i don't want to know how to make a bomb or a still, so, now that you are out of the program, how would one who hypothetically wanted who hypothetically wanted to make LSD do so???


The only technical thing gnome does is look at equity charts. You're barking up the wrong tree.


Posted by tyler19 on 01-02-08 03:01 AM:

Re: Re: your name faked me


Quote from gnome:

1. You already know how much I hate the Gummint, its lies, policies.. etc. and the Central Banks... We're all frickin' doomed, and not politically sophisticated enough to THROW THE BUMS OUT.. just the way they like it...

2. Computerization and concentration of assets has changed the markets. The play now seems to be for shorter term and smaller profits. We have to adapt to that or be left in the dust.

3. I don't believe in "edges". Few of us ever find one, and when we do it's likely to be illegal. Regardless, trade with chart discipline... it's your best shot.



Will you vote for Ron Paul?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:03 AM:

Re: Re: Re: your name faked me


Quote from tyler19:

Will you vote for Ron Paul?



ABSOFRICKIN' LUTELY... He's America's only hope in the '08, election.

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Posted by Bigpipn on 01-02-08 03:04 AM:


Quote from gnome:

At 35, I was a smart guy with no job and no money... I lived in a 1 bedroom apartment and drove a VW beetle... I somehow morphed into trading mutual funds and SP futures after that. Considering I started with $25/mo. on a bank draft into Templeton Growth Fund, I'm sometimes taken back as to where all the money came from... compounding??

I never really had to "overcome" anything... I'd figured out certain technical "things" about the market before I started in earnest.

I don't know what the "next level" is... maybe I'll find it soon...



I really enjoy hearing people like you make it.

I have a great deal of respect for you for carving your way through the world in such a fashion.

My mom was essentially kicked out of my father's trailor after the slightest mention of a divorce. He transferred everything into his mother's name and my mom got nothing out of the divorce. She was forced to live in her car for 6 months and take showers at Rest Stops on the interstate. After meeting my stepdad (whom i think is the greatest guy who has walked this earth) she has moved her way up as deli manager and now makes about $80,000/yr as deli manager. She has about $1mln in her 401k and company stock. You would never know it by the way she acts, she would do anything for anyone.

Thank you for your contributions to this board.

Good luck and good trading in 2008.


Posted by tyler19 on 01-02-08 03:04 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: your name faked me


Quote from gnome:

ABSOFRICKIN' LUTELY... He's America's only hope in the '08, election.



I'm with you on that one!

Right when I read that post, I knew you were a Ron Paul supporter.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:11 AM:


Quote from JSHINV:

Reading your posts, seems like you had fun making the money....



I remember watching my net worth grow to $1Million and what a great feeling it was to "Be a Millionaire".

I also vividly remember the first time I made $1Million for the year. I was sort of giddy for about 6 months!

That was SO GREAT... I wish that all of you experience it during your careers... I mean that!!

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Posted by ucf_student on 01-02-08 03:14 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I remember watching my net worth grow to $1Million and what a great feeling it was to "Be a Millionaire".

I also vividly remember the first time I made $1Million for the year. I was sort of giddy for about 6 months!

That was SO GREAT... I wish that all of you experience it during your careers... I mean that!!



I bet Your first girl, car or million.... Thanks for your posts!


Posted by Pension_Admin on 01-02-08 03:16 AM:


Quote from gnome:

Oh, I COULD write a book... but in all honesty, it would be more like a "pamphlet"... you know, "Chaper 1" stuff... the things everyone was in a hurry to get past so they could get on to the good stuff... tsk, tsk.



I think Chapter 1 is actually what most of us struggling traders missed. We were in a hurry to get to the good stuff that we totally ignored it--time and time again.

Would you mind giving us a little summary of what the Chapter 1 of your book will looks like? Thanks!


Posted by Mad_Alfred on 01-02-08 03:16 AM:

Bigpipin,


Nice story about your Mom.

Good to see things work out for nice people.


Posted by powerfade on 01-02-08 03:21 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I remember watching my net worth grow to $1Million and what a great feeling it was to "Be a Millionaire".



Dammit, now I have to ask. How many years did it take you?

You mentioned you started at age 35...

I am assuming you were profitable after your first 12 months.


Posted by Eddiefl on 01-02-08 03:22 AM:

What great thread. Congrats to Gnome, you seem like a decent guy who had the consistency to make it happen for you. And the money doesnt seemd to have jaded you much or at all.


E.F.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:22 AM:


Quote from Pension_Admin:

I think Chapter 1 is actually what most of us struggling traders missed. We were in a hurry to get to the good stuff that we totally ignored it--time and time again.

Would you mind giving us a little summary of what the Chapter 1 of your book will looks like? Thanks!



Chapter 1

1. Pay attention. (You'd be surprised at how often THIS is a problem.)

2. Trade the charts. Look for correlations of market behavior where the risk is low and profit potential is high... at least 2:1 R/R, in your mind.

3. Be properly courageous.

4. Have stop discipline and NEVER abandon it. Markets are tricky. Stops are your best defense.

That should do for a primer...

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:26 AM:


Quote from powerfade:

Dammit, now I have to ask. How many years did it take you?

You mentioned you started at age 35...

I am assuming you were profitable after your first 12 months.



I was profitable "right off the bat", but probably mostly because I started in '82. That was the good part.. the bad part is that I didn't have much money then.

But by the '96-'99 up phase, I had more money and KILLED 'EM... well, sort of. It's not like I was loaded in Tech or Internet stocks or anything like that, but still good.

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Posted by powerfade on 01-02-08 03:29 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I don't "scale".. I'm playing a point on the charts... that's it.

A scaling style is OK if it fits your psyche.



gnome, I really need to ask you one more thing here. My biggest problem so far in swing trading has been how to deal with winners. I have zero problem stopping out a losing trade. But...a trade goes your way, let's say 2% of the value of the stock ($50.00 stock goes to $51.00). What now? I have made the mistake of bailing on a retrace to $50.50, only to see it go to $58.00.

So I thought 'scale out, take half off at $51.00'.

But you say you don't scale out, and at the same time you mentioned that you don't really have profit targets.

Now... believe me please, this is not a suggestion that there's any contradiction here. Rather, it's my inability to catch on. So when you say you're playing a chart point...you are watching action around that point and then you will be either 100% out or you will move a stop up?

What sort of % move up are you looking at and saying 'I need to make sure this doesn't turn into a loser from here?'

I guess I would be interested to know how many of your winners are stopped and how many you take off because you don't like the chart action after an upmove.

Hope that makes sense - this is a big deal for me in my trading (head in hands as a stock I was in and in goes parabolic after I get stopped out for a small winner).

Last one from me, I promise...


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:32 AM:


Quote from powerfade:

gnome, I really need to ask you one more thing here. My biggest problem so far in swing trading has been how to deal with winners. A trade goes your way, let's say 2% of the value of the stock ($50.00 stock goes to $51.00). What now? I have made the mistake of bailing on a retrace to $50.50, only to see it go to $58.00.

So I thought 'scale out, take half off at $51.00'.

But you say you don't scale out, and at the same time you mentioned that you don't really have profit targets.

Now... believe me please, this is not a suggestion that there's any contradiction here. Rather, it's my inability to catch on. So when you say you're playing a chart point...you are watching action around that point and then you will be either 100% out or you will move a stop up?

I guess I would be interested to know how many of your winners are stopped and how many you take off because you don't like the chart action after an upmove.

Hope that makes sense - this is a big deal for me in my trading (head in hands as a stock I was in and in goes parabolic after I get stopped out for a small winner).



I hear you. A move from 50 to 51 would never motivate me to "take profits"... for me to buy at 50, I'd have to see a chart potential of maybe 54-60+ and try to give the market breathing room to get there.... then as the market went my way, raise a traling stop. Even that's an artful guess.

The market will give you every opportunity to turn a potential big gain into a small one... coping with that is always an ordeal.

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Posted by rdg on 01-02-08 03:32 AM:

I think I live nearby. Would you be willing to let me spend a day watching you trade?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:34 AM:


Quote from rdg:

I think I live nearby. Would you be willing to let me spend a day watching you trade?



You flatter me, but no thank you.

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Posted by powerfade on 01-02-08 03:35 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I hear you. A move from 50 to 51 would never motivate me to "take profits"... for me to buy at 50, I'd have to see a chart potential of maybe 54-60+ and try to give the market breathing room to get there.... then as the market went my way, raise a traling stop. Even that's an artful guess.



Ok, thanks, that does help. I think I suffer from the half of the classic backwards noob thinking which says 'Fear losing a small profit (sell a winner) and hope a loser turns into a winner (hold your losers)'.

I have the first part of the disease, but at least I now understand that you don't see a 2% move in the value of the stock as being a satisfactory return on a swing trade. That helps.


Quote from gnome:

The market will give you every opportunity to turn a potential big gain into a small one... coping with that is always an ordeal.



Yes... I realize that I haven't seen enough stocks confirm my initial call then retrace almost to the entry point before taking off. It's that retrace that is gut wrenching for me now, as I feel a need to make up some $$ that I lose in noob mistakes.


Posted by Pension_Admin on 01-02-08 03:39 AM:

Would you say successful trading is more about avoiding trades than to be proactively seeking trades?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:40 AM:


Quote from powerfade:

Ok, thanks, that does help. I think I suffer from the half of the classic backwards noob thinking which says 'Fear losing a small profit (sell a winner) and hope a loser turns into a winner (hold your losers)'.

I have the first part of the disease, but at least I now understand that you don't see a 2% move in the value of the stock as being a satisfactory return on a swing trade. That helps.



Yes... I realize that I haven't seen enough stocks confirm my initial call then retrace almost to the entry point before taking off. It's that retrace that is gut wrenching for me now, as I feel a need to make up some $$ that I lose in noob mistakes.



Sometimes they retrace, sometimes they just BLAST... you never know about THIS one until it's in the works.

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Posted by krt on 01-02-08 03:43 AM:

size

what size are you trading in the ES currently?


Posted by Hedge22 on 01-02-08 03:43 AM:

Thanks for all this gnome, congrats on 5000!


Posted by rdg on 01-02-08 03:43 AM:


Quote from gnome:

You flatter me, but no thank you.

Bah, you're no fun ;) Thanks for the thread. Its made some good reading.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:46 AM:


Quote from Pension_Admin:

Would you say successful trading is more about avoiding trades than to be proactively seeking trades?



This is a big issue in my view....

1. Cherry Pick the best trades, trying to avoid potential loss situations, or

2. Trade EVERYTHING reasonable and let stops control losses.


If you're thinking "#1" the market is pretty good at leaving you in the dust.

If you're thinking "#2", you will sometimes get wrung through the Veg-O-Matic when you'd have been better off to just sit on your hands.

I think you have to play this by ear. Both are good and bad at times.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 03:47 AM:


Quote from Hedge22:

Thanks for all this gnome, congrats on 5000!



I remember hitting "300" posts... a significant number to a professional bowler, you know.

Now at 5000, perhaps I've said too much.

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Posted by baller1069 on 01-02-08 04:01 AM:

Are you religious, spiritual, or neither?


Posted by Pension_Admin on 01-02-08 04:04 AM:


Quote from gnome:

This is a big issue in my view....

1. Cherry Pick the best trades, trying to avoid potential loss situations, or

2. Trade EVERYTHING reasonable and let stops control losses.


If you're thinking "#1" the market is pretty good at leaving you in the dust.

If you're thinking "#2", you will sometimes get wrung through the Veg-O-Matic when you'd have been better off to just sit on your hands.

I think you have to play this by ear. Both are good and bad at times.




I personally tried trading everything and I was hoping that my reward/risk ratio would give me a statistical advantage. However, I learned that the probability of a trade was against me with that R/R ratio.

However, I still would like to explore a more frequent trading method as it seem more emotionally comforting as the strategy depends more on statistic than on skills.

Thank you for all your posts! Everyone of them is a treasure in itself.


Posted by Boss302 on 01-02-08 04:05 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I remember hitting "300" posts... a significant number to a professional bowler, you know.

Now at 5000, perhaps I've said too much.



Not at all. This thread has been a most pleasant suprise this evening. A sincere thanks from myself and all of us who have enjoyed visiting with you.


Posted by austinp on 01-02-08 04:05 AM:

Now at 5000, perhaps I've said too much.

Never, not possible (laugh)

That said, may I respectfully ask why you've been posting almost non-stop for more than twelve hours straight?

I'm here at the desk due to a kick-(butt) headcold that won't let me sleep, or do much of anything other than look at dead charts while blowing my nose.

Here's hoping you just feel energetic today while the spirit came over you in good stead


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:10 AM:


Quote from austinp:

Now at 5000, perhaps I've said too much.

Never, not possible (laugh)

That said, may I respectfully ask why you've been posting almost non-stop for more than twelve hours straight?

I'm here at the desk due to a kick-(butt) headcold that won't let me sleep, or do much of anything other than look at dead charts while blowing my nose.

Here's hoping you just feel energetic today while the spirit came over you in good stead



Let's not exaggerate... it's been only 8 hours... LOL.

Never expected this thread to go so long, but didn't know a logical place to stop.. except midnight... 2hr 48min from now.

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Posted by krt on 01-02-08 04:14 AM:

size


Quote from krt:

what size are you trading in the ES currently?



are you not willing to answer this question? i saw it was asked earlier too, so i was just curious.


Posted by bigpig41 on 01-02-08 04:16 AM:

Have you ever used the "sqwuak-call" for your s+p futures trading(where you listen to the live broadcast of the trading pit action)????????


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:17 AM:


Quote from bigpig41:

Have you ever used the "sqwuak-call" for your s+p futures trading(where you listen to the live broadcast of the trading pit action)????????



I've heard it in the background a few times, but never used it.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:18 AM:

Re: size


Quote from krt:

are you not willing to answer this question? i saw it was asked earlier too, so i was just curious.



Why do you care?

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Posted by nyxtrader on 01-02-08 04:23 AM:

Re: size


Quote from krt:

are you not willing to answer this question? i saw it was asked earlier too, so i was just curious.



Why are people so nosey on here?


Posted by CaliforniaKid23 on 01-02-08 04:23 AM:

100 Million in trading Profits, that's impressive!


....what & how did you trade after going over 10 million in profits? and where do you keep your 100 million? i mean...do u invest in stocks or trade or buy bonds or put it in a bank?


Posted by krt on 01-02-08 04:23 AM:

Re: Re: size


Quote from gnome:

Why do you care?



as i said i was curious. you've put yourself out there as a highly successful trader, so i wondered how many contracts you are clicking with.


Posted by powerfade on 01-02-08 04:25 AM:

Re: size


Quote from krt:

are you not willing to answer this question? i saw it was asked earlier too, so i was just curious.



What difference does it make?

-----------------------------------------------

Did I say only one more question? : )

gnome, do you routinely have to deal with an up market creating problems for your shorts or vice versa? Do you ever wait to enter a position because you expect i.e. an upmove in the overall market so you wait to short? Or do you just get your short on once the chart is telling you to enter?

Do you do a lot of entering and getting stopped for small losses before catching the move you expected?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:30 AM:

Re: Re: size


Quote from powerfade:

What difference does it make?

-----------------------------------------------

Did I say only one more question? : )

gnome, do you routinely have to deal with an up market creating problems for your shorts or vice versa? Do you ever wait to enter a position because you expect i.e. an upmove in the overall market so you wait to short? Or do you just get your short on once the chart is telling you to enter?



Up moves always create problems for current shorts. I don't think in terms of "expecting an up move to short"... but rather, either (1) the up move has hit (or is near) a resistance point to short... in an effort to nail the swing top, or (b) it looks like the market has reversed enough down that the top is past.

You have to risk "X points" that one of those is correct.

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Posted by powerfade on 01-02-08 04:33 AM:

Re: Re: Re: size

Thanks for taking the time - all the best in 2008.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:34 AM:

Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from krt:

as i said i was curious. you've put yourself out there as a highly successful trader, so i wondered how many contracts you are clicking with.



Why don't you post your financial statement. If it's strong enough (don't lie), I may deem you worthy of an answer.

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Posted by Mvic on 01-02-08 04:37 AM:

Very impressive return Gnome. I started with significantly more than you did 22 years ago and have netted a small fraction of what you have mostly due to youthful lack of discipline and greed/ego.

Thanks for the thread. As appreciation for the simple things in life can be temporarily overwhelmed by day to day distractions, so in trading can the simple basics be over shadowed by the latest indicator/strategy and in both cases perspective can be lost. Just as I am thankful to those who remind me not to take the important things in life for granted, I thank you for reminding me of the same thing as it applies to trading. One can never have too many reminders in both instances.

I have one question: Do you think that you would have done significantly better over the years if you had averaged up?

Thanks and best to you and yours in 2008,
Mvic

PS Not at all surprised that such a pragmatist would be a Ron Paul supporter, as am I.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:40 AM:


Quote from Mvic:

Very impressive return Gnome. I started with significantly more than you did 22 years ago and have netted a small fraction of what you have mostly due to youthful lack of discipline and greed/ego.

Thanks for the thread. As appreciation for the simple things in life can be temporarily overwhelmed by day to day distractions, so in trading can the simple basics be over shadowed by the latest indicator/strategy and in both cases perspective can be lost. Just as I am thankful to those who remind me not to take the important things in life for granted, I thank you for reminding me of the same thing as it applies to trading. One can never have too many reminders in both instances.

I have one question: Do you think that you would have done better over he years if you had averaged up?

Thanks and best to you and yours in 2008,
Mvic



I would have done much better if I would have believed in the Fed's money-pump support of the markets and been balls-to-the-walls leveraged and long. That was a relatively new development versus my prior experience, and I never gave it proper respect.

However, that's just "the most recent phase"... someday it will be different and the high-risk long players will likely get slaughtered.... like the the tech players did in 2000-2003. (I know of a couple of stories where investors lost virtually everything "buying the dip and riding it out" that time.)

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Posted by daybyday on 01-02-08 04:40 AM:

Glad to be reminded it can be done.
It is greatly encouraging to me, personally, to hear the insights and comments of someone who has achieved real success trading futures contracts.

I remember when I was a kid I heard the expression "Money talks and bullsh** walks."
I thought, "I don't understand that now but I bet when I am a grown up I will understand what that means."

I'll bet you're acquainted with that expression as well. LOL

Thank you very much for sharing your expertise.

Brennan


Posted by Mvic on 01-02-08 04:47 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I would have done much better if I would have believed in the Fed's money-pump support of the markets and been balls-to-the-walls leveraged and long. That was a relatively new development versus my prior experience, and I never gave it proper respect.

However, that's just "the most recent phase"... someday it will be different and the high-risk long players will likely get slaughtered.... like the the tech players did in 2000-2003. (I know of a couple of stories where investors lost virtually everything "buying the dip and riding it out" that time.)



I completely relate, and the day can't come soon enough


Posted by krt on 01-02-08 04:50 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from gnome:

Why don't you post your financial statement. If it's strong enough (don't lie), I may deem you worthy of an answer.



your first post didn't mention that financial statments were necessary to ask questions. other questions were answered without financials being posted.

if you don't want to answer it that's fine, but you could have just said that. i didn't realize it was such a big issue for you. i just wondered what kind of size a big trader was throwing around. sorry.


Posted by Anekdoten on 01-02-08 04:52 AM:

Gnome is starting 2008 with good Karma.

Looks like a great trader and a great guy.

Anek


Posted by auspiv on 01-02-08 04:53 AM:

i saw your location to be denver, so i must ask do you ski or snowboard?


Posted by Silentmax on 01-02-08 04:54 AM:

You mentioned ETF's

and how you love them

in what way do you use etf's to now trade your family funds? what time frames do you usually hold the etf's if you are a little bit of a swing trader?

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:55 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from krt:

your first post didn't mention that financial statments were necessary to ask questions. other questions were answered without financials being posted.

if you don't want to answer it that's fine, but you could have just said that. i didn't realize it was such a big issue for you. i just wondered what kind of size a big trader was throwing around. sorry.



Sorry, I didn't realize posting your financial statement was such a big issue for you.

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Posted by oldschool on 01-02-08 04:57 AM:

ding ding ding ding ding!

thanks for sharing g.


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 04:57 AM:


Quote from Silentmax:

You mentioned ETF's

and how you love them

in what way do you use etf's to now trade your family funds? what time frames do you usually hold the etf's if you are a little bit of a swing trader?



I like the concept of ETF's.. don't trade them myself (though I probably should).

They are general plays on overall market psychology and/or sectors.

I think the best overall approach is for swing trading... scalping is too iffy.

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Posted by FanOfFridays on 01-02-08 04:58 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from krt:
your first post didn't mention that financial statments were necessary to ask questions. other questions were answered without financials being posted.

if you don't want to answer it that's fine, but you could have just said that. i didn't realize it was such a big issue for you. i just wondered what kind of size a big trader was throwing around. sorry.


Not the point. The point is you posted this, like a whiny little bitch

Quote from krt:
are you not willing to answer this question?



The response to this is 'F**k you, Registered-in-2002-and-still-not-profitable-loser'.

It's just that gnome is too polite to say it. I, on the other hand, am not.

The guy spent xx hours on here taking questions and it seems like there were a lot of people who appreciated it. Why not just leave your baseless insinuations at the door?


Posted by krt on 01-02-08 04:58 AM:


Quote from gnome:

I'm not all that interested in revealing personal information to THOUSANDS of viewers.



ditto


Posted by scriabinop23 on 01-02-08 05:04 AM:


Quote from gnome:

Ironic how that worked out... as I gained nortariety from winning parts of the U.S Investing Championships in '94, my assets under management quickly grew to about $60 Million... but the mutual fund managers were soon to be kicking all but the smallest of us guys OUT. (So, if you're lousy and small, you were welcome to stay?)

My profitability has always been streaky... when "I've read it right", I've done great. When not, struggled around flat. I've had 4 years of +100% return on capital, several years of 5-10%... others between. I'd love to be "consistent", but haven't been able to get there... I accepted that.




Well thats pretty great (and believable, unlike a lot of things you see here on ET). Congrats.

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Posted by krt on 01-02-08 05:08 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from traderNik:

Not the point. The point is you posted this, like a whiny little bitch


The response to this is 'F**k you, Registered-in-2002-and-still-not-profitable-loser'.

It's just that gnome is too polite to say it. I, on the other hand, am not.

The guy spent xx hours on here taking questions and it seems like there were a lot of people who appreciated it. Why not just leave your baseless insinuations at the door?



it's posts like this that reaffirm why i don't hardly ever post. i just asked a simple question and it gets all blown out of proportion. i'm done posting on this thread and will go back to just reading.


Posted by newguy05 on 01-02-08 05:21 AM:

Hi gnome, you talked about risk management as the most important part of being a sucessful trader. Can you give some specific examples how you do risk management?

1) For example pick a common stock: ebay. Let just assume you think it formed a double top and think it's on the way down to support again, so you buy 1000 shares of ebay at $33.19. Now how do you implement your risk management technique/trades?

2) Also is there ever any chance for an individual investor to buy hot ipo? For example when VMW (vmware) IPOed, everyone knew it's going up with almost 99% certainty but noone could buy it as the shares are all going to the big boys. Are individual investors basically out of luck everytime in a good ipo?

thanks and hny!


Posted by baller1069 on 01-02-08 05:30 AM:

Are you a long-term bear on US Equities?


Posted by tradetony938 on 01-02-08 05:31 AM:

Thanks for the enjoyable reading tonight Gnome. Have a healthy and prosperous 2008. T.


Posted by OldTrader on 01-02-08 05:34 AM:

Hey Gnome:

Good thread. I've enjoyed reading it. And before I ask my question, let me just say that you're "da man" when it comes to video cards. You were a huge help to me, I know that. Thanks for that.

You mentioned you use a 4 point stop in the ES (or thereabouts I assume). You also mentioned that you prefer "swing trading" (I think). So let me ask a multipart question: First, when you say "swing trading", I'm assuming you mean multiday trades. But as I understand it, some people think of swing trades as a day trade where they might hold most of, if not all of the day. Which of those would you say would characterize your more typical "swing trade".

And then next, if you're making a multiday type of swing trade, how do you manage to begin with a 4 point stop? My personal experience is that if I'm trying to get on board a somewhat bigger type of move, then I have to take a somewhat bigger type of risk in terms of my stop. Granted, if my timing is excellent, I may have very little drawdown. But then there are those times where the basic idea for the trade is right, but I have some bigger type draw down in the beginning. I'm just thinking that in my case 4 points would have taken me out of alot of good swing trades of the multiday type of variety.

How do you manage to trade with a 4 point stop?

Thanks for your comments.

OldTrader


Posted by bigmoose on 01-02-08 05:43 AM:

Very pleasant and insightful read after making it home from festivities today.

Thank you Gnome, and best wishes in the New Year!


Posted by robbie380 on 01-02-08 06:28 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from gnome:

Sorry, I didn't realize posting your financial statement was such a big issue for you.



can i post one so you will answer? lol i really don't even know anything about futures so i don't even know what big size is for that market. is 500k take home good enough for an answer?


even though i have no clue and i have no real urge to even know i am just going to guess somewhere around 5 mil for dollar value of the position.


and also great thread...nothing i can really use since we are in two different worlds but it certainly gives me goals. pretty much nothing my first year of trading, about 20k my second, about 100k my 3rd, and now 500 this year. hopefully i'll be able to do better next year....knocking on wood...


Posted by William Rennick on 01-02-08 06:30 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from krt:

it's posts like this that reaffirm why i don't hardly ever post. i just asked a simple question and it gets all blown out of proportion. i'm done posting on this thread and will go back to just reading.



I don't blame gnome for not wanting to post personal info, but a ballpark answer to this fellas question would have been interesting. Trading in different sizes presents different challenges. A big fish can run into liquidity issues that a little guy never experiences. I think krt was treated a little rough by tradernik. Click the link below to see how the gnome character responded to the tradernik characters attack on krt. We expect everyone here to treat each other with a certain level of respect, don't be a Schleprock. Now back to gnome's great thread.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zvICN8DNMpY

Rennick De Palma out


Posted by blackjack007 on 01-02-08 06:34 AM:

wow, so you're happy to mention you made $100m in profits and was rated #1 by some service and would be in the bowling hall of fame and have averaged 40% annualized, but when someone asks about your biggest loss or worst year, you say that's too personal? but mentioning the other things isn't too personal?

sounds like this thread is more about stroking your ego than "trading concepts". what does your elite bowling skill have to do with trading concepts?

why are you willing to answer only the questions which boost your ego?


Posted by FanOfFridays on 01-02-08 06:48 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from William Rennick:

I think krt was treated a little rough by tradernik. We expect everyone here to treat each other with a certain level of respect, don't be a Schleprock. Now back to gnome's great thread.



I would tend to agree, a bit harsh, but the spirit of it was righteous. krt asked a question and didn't get an answer. He could have seen that gnome was answering all the questions posed to him. Why not just let it go? By asking 'why won't you answer this question', he's getting in gnome's face. Pure and simple. Gnome probably doesn't even read it that way but I did.

Then gnome did answer (declining), and krt started to engage him in a debate about why he should answer.

Enough already. Drop it. Move on. Read and learn. Don't whine.

I should have just said 'Quit whining about it' and left it at that. My apologies if anyone took offense at my bad language.


Posted by jasonjm on 01-02-08 06:52 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size

Hey Gnome, i see somewhere in this big giant thread you made some mention of CA real estate

do you follow CA real estate?

if so, how much more of a drop would you be looking for before you start buying in?


Posted by William Rennick on 01-02-08 06:52 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: size


Quote from traderNik:

I would tend to agree, a bit harsh, but the spirit of it was righteous. krt asked a question and didn't get an answer. He could have seen that gnome was answering all the questions posed to him. Why not just let it go? By asking 'why won't you answer this question', he's getting in gnome's face. Pure and simple. Gnome probably doesn't even read it that way but I did.

Then gnome did answer (declining), and krt started to engage him in a debate about why he should answer.

Enough already. Drop it. Move on. Read and learn. Don't whine.

I should have just said 'Quit whining about it' and left it at that. My apologies if anyone took offense at my bad language.



Well stated.


Posted by CFerret on 01-02-08 06:57 AM:

Do you usually anticipate a price movement and enter with limit order or jump on a move already underway by using stop/mkt orders?

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Posted by William Rennick on 01-02-08 07:01 AM:


Quote from blackjack007:

wow, so you're happy to mention you made $100m in profits and was rated #1 by some service and would be in the bowling hall of fame and have averaged 40% annualized, but when someone asks about your biggest loss or worst year, you say that's too personal? but mentioning the other things isn't too personal?

sounds like this thread is more about stroking your ego than "trading concepts". what does your elite bowling skill have to do with trading concepts?

why are you willing to answer only the questions which boost your ego?



Your post caused Inspector Rennick to do a little clicking around on the www.
Here are some links to learn about our man gnome. He may have a healthy ego, but it looks like he is indeed a very successful trader, with portfolio. Thanks Gnome, you were very generous to share your insights. You reenforced my belief that simplicity is a beautiful thing.


http://www.traderclub.com/discus/me...rch2220040914am

http://stockcharts.stores.yahoo.net/howtomamoins.html


Posted by FanOfFridays on 01-02-08 07:20 AM:


Quote from blackjack007:

when someone asks about your biggest loss or worst year, you say that's too personal?



Quote from gnome:

My profitability has always been streaky... when "I've read it right", I've done great. When not, struggled around flat. I've had 4 years of +100% return on capital, several years of 5-10%... others between. I'd love to be "consistent", but haven't been able to get there...



question answered.

maybe stick to blackjack, 007.

(Whaddya think, Rennick? Kinder, Gentler? )


Posted by William Rennick on 01-02-08 07:30 AM:


Quote from traderNik:



(Whaddya think, Rennick? Kinder, Gentler? )



You're asking that to one the biggest thread brawlers on ET, I've been deleted, banned, pm'd by mods more times than Bobby Cox has been thrown out of Ball games. Ohh but I love it.

Billy Rennick Martin out


Posted by ammo on 01-02-08 07:51 AM:

gnome great thread very generous of you,, can you tell us how you aquired your discipline ,how long did it take?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 11:42 AM:

I had stop discipline right away. I reasoned that I had only one capital base and was unlikely to get another if I blew out.

As far as the "discipline to TAKE risk", I wish I were better even now. But then again, you can't have it both ways. If you're going to be very protective of capital, you can't also be a dynamic risk taker (where the potential for spectacular gains is greater but so is the risk of ruin. The market can be tricky, you know.)

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 11:44 AM:

Wrapping this up.... Here's hoping the '08, campaign will the best yet for us all.

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Posted by drsteph on 01-02-08 12:25 PM:

thanks much gnome

Great thread. Thanks for your opinions.

Yeah, that risk of ruin thing and not getting another chance always gets me nervous too.

OK. 2008 is here. Let's all go make some coin. P/L starts over this AM.

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Posted by risk1 on 01-02-08 12:35 PM:

Thanks for a wonderful thread, gnome.

Would you care to respond to OldTrader's queries when you've a spare moment? Useful lessons for us all... Thanks.


Quote from OldTrader:

Hey Gnome:

Good thread. I've enjoyed reading it. And before I ask my question, let me just say that you're "da man" when it comes to video cards. You were a huge help to me, I know that. Thanks for that.

You mentioned you use a 4 point stop in the ES (or thereabouts I assume). You also mentioned that you prefer "swing trading" (I think). So let me ask a multipart question: First, when you say "swing trading", I'm assuming you mean multiday trades. But as I understand it, some people think of swing trades as a day trade where they might hold most of, if not all of the day. Which of those would you say would characterize your more typical "swing trade".

And then next, if you're making a multiday type of swing trade, how do you manage to begin with a 4 point stop? My personal experience is that if I'm trying to get on board a somewhat bigger type of move, then I have to take a somewhat bigger type of risk in terms of my stop. Granted, if my timing is excellent, I may have very little drawdown. But then there are those times where the basic idea for the trade is right, but I have some bigger type draw down in the beginning. I'm just thinking that in my case 4 points would have taken me out of alot of good swing trades of the multiday type of variety.

How do you manage to trade with a 4 point stop?

Thanks for your comments.

OldTrader



Best wishes for 2008!


Posted by Jaxon on 01-02-08 12:42 PM:

Ever compare notes with Gil Blake, also a very successful mutual fund trader ?


Posted by eastside on 01-02-08 01:01 PM:

Thanks for sharing gnome...All best wishes in 2008 & beyond !!!


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:05 PM:

Swing in both senses. For the ES, trying to play for what appears to be 8 or more points potential... using the ES chart today as an example, let's say Friday's low of 1471 were tested today, bounced, and you bought at 1472. The "reason" for your trade would be "2X bottom with Friday's low" (likely 3X Dow bottom, too). And you know the market has the potential to rebound at least to the swing high of 1484... there's your "8+ points potential", and you'd have to risk a buffer amount for a stop-out.. that could be 4-ish points. And if you get shaken out on (what you hope was) a false downside break... you can put the trade back on.... risking a few points again that your "false break" determination is correct.

Same thing on a bigger scale for a stock, ETF, or mutual fund. Let's say the SPX retests the lows of 1370.. and you buy. You know the market has the potential to rally back to at least the declining tops line (currently 1500), and that such a "swing" move could take several days and maybe a few weeks. So, you try to hang on and hope there isn't too much counter pressure to shake you off.

In neither example would I call it scalping.

Nobody KNOWS anything (except Da Boyz inside at GS). The best you can do is make a strategic play where you perceive the R/R is good enough... then be disciplined about stops.

I cannot emphasize stop discipline enough. Over your career, the market will likely take a half dozen or so SERIOUS shots at taking back all you've made and even breaking you*... just like it did most of the tech buyers in '00-'03. This has to be factored into your overall strategy.

If you're curious... I've dodged most of those bullets myself... but not all of them .... at least not completely.

*meaning the market's going to change, but you may not do so quickly enough.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:08 PM:


Quote from Jaxon:

Ever compare notes with Gil Blake, also a very successful mutual fund trader ?



No, but he was a good one. Any idea what he's up to now?

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Posted by Razor on 01-02-08 01:28 PM:

Hi gnome,

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions. I see your 24 hours is up, you should request to have the thread closed or you will feel guilty of not answering the questions that will obviously keep getting posted

Cheers


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:30 PM:


Quote from Razor:

Hi gnome,

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions. I see your 24 hours is up, you should request to have the thread closed or you will feel guilty of not answering the questions that will obviously keep getting posted

Cheers



Yeah... was up 6 hours ago... I thought it would be a 1/2 hour thing while I was putzin' around the computer yesterday... looks like the laugh's on me..

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Posted by Chuck Krug on 01-02-08 01:41 PM:

Hi there
Missed yesterday due to hangover/self- induced coma :-)
Been toying with some mutual funds ideas myself and wondered what mutual funds do you trade or can one actively trade?
(not too much fees etc)


Posted by thetrendfollowe on 01-02-08 01:44 PM:

Gnome,
Great thread.

I only have two questions.

1/ How have you diversified your wealth out of the financial markets? Property? Bonds? Just cash?

and most importantly,

2/ What do you drive?


Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:55 PM:


Quote from Chuck Krug:

Hi there
Missed yesterday due to hangover/self- induced coma :-)
Been toying with some mutual funds ideas myself and wondered what mutual funds do you trade or can one actively trade?
(not too much fees etc)



If you want to be an active trader, ETF's are actually better. Many are 2:1 leveraged, long and short (but you don't have to take a 100% position with your capital) + you get real-time fills whereas mutual funds are end-of-day fills, mostly.

Otherwise, Profunds, Rydex, and a couple of other fund families are supportive of trading.

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 01:58 PM:


Quote from thetrendfollowe:

Gnome,
Great thread.

I only have two questions.

1/ How have you diversified your wealth out of the financial markets? Property? Bonds? Just cash?

and most importantly,

2/ What do you drive?



Mostly liquid... when not in another position, in cash preparing for the next trade. (Trading is a form of "diversification".. not necessarily by asset or asset class, but rather by "opportunity".)

I have conservative cars... a Montero SUV and an Infiniti M.

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Posted by alex.samant on 01-02-08 02:36 PM:

i also have one technical question to ask you, if it's not too late

For intraday trading what type of charting would be more suitable bar/candle charting OR p&f/kagi (generally the
"smoothed" charts).

My personal opinion is that since a 5 minute bar's Open and Close is irrelevant and a lot of signals use these values in their calculations, the p&f chart which only takes into consideration the directional strength would be more suitable.

But, your opinion is highly needed!

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Posted by gnome on 01-02-08 02:48 PM:


Quote from alex.samant:

i also have one technical question to ask you, if it's not too late

For intraday trading what type of charting would be more suitable bar/candle charting OR p&f/kagi (generally the
"smoothed" charts).

My personal opinion is that since a 5 minute bar's Open and Close is irrelevant and a lot of signals use these values in their calculations, the p&f chart which only takes into consideration the directional strength would be more suitable.

But, your opinion is highly needed!



I've become so used to candlesticks, that's all I display... I really only care about the highs and lows of bars... and the opening gap, of course.

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Posted by Brandonf on 01-02-08 03:17 PM:


Quote from gnome:

Oh, I COULD write a book... but in all honesty, it would be more like a "pamphlet"... you know, "Chaper 1" stuff... the things everyone was in a hurry to get past so they could get on to the good stuff... tsk, tsk.



Exactly the same for me with a book. I've been asked several times to write one, but I cant seem to create anything thats more than 20 or 30 pages long, and honestly I could probably put it all into 10 or 15.

Brandon


Posted by armoured saint on 01-02-08 03:25 PM:

are you serious, have you really made $100 mil in profits ?

And if so, why didn't you stop way sooner ?


Posted by minmike on 01-02-08 03:50 PM:

Just wanted to thank your for taking the time with such a long involved thread. You are very generous with both time and info. Especially with the info, much more than I would ever be.

It is always interesting to see how other profitable traders do it. (Not that I'm in the same ball park in any way shape or form.) It is always amazing to see how different everyone goes about things, there are still always some uncanny similarities.


Posted by Wayne Gibbous on 01-02-08 08:01 PM:


Quote from William Rennick:

Your post caused Inspector Rennick to do a little clicking around on the www.
Here are some links to learn about our man gnome. He may have a healthy ego, but it looks like he is indeed a very successful trader, with portfolio. Thanks Gnome, you were very generous to share your insights. You reenforced my belief that simplicity is a beautiful thing.


http://www.traderclub.com/discus/me...rch2220040914am

http://stockcharts.stores.yahoo.net/howtomamoins.html

I don't think gnome is Freestone. Freestone "won" in 1994, but since he works for O'neil and does CANSLIM I think he won the Stock trading category. Gnome says he won "parts of the 1994 championship" - doesn't have to be the stock one.


Posted by stonedinvestor on 01-02-08 09:56 PM:

I don't get it gnome is William O'neal? Or this Freestone who lives ion an $8 mil house and got dumped by some chick? I've learned absolutely nothing in this thread but I never do. I must say aspects of this gnome strike close to home, I like the whole origination of the name which drew fine parallels to how stonedinvesting got it's name (when tech stocks were rolling over people after the crash, I had a blowup of film as a logo of Indiana Jones with the rock rolling behind him... the idea was to get the focus on the rock not the research bong and have cards made up). I'm sure these 2X etf's have made your day for these mutual funds are ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz. I bought Mainstay once and FPA Bond with Rodridegez way back when- they suck. The market roared ahead certain stocks doubled and tripled and we were lucky to get $1-$2 gain a year! Of course I can get that in a day with stocks and that's why I urge you now that you are set in life and can dabble. Start trading stocks. I think it will open you up to your full possibilities which if your writing is any indication, is that of smart and funny guy.

Also I found the paperwork of listing every stock a mutual fund bought and sold, foreign and US and accounting for all those fractional dividends too tedious at IRS time and I disliked the habit of hitting new investors with prior year's capital gains at tax time!

I'm sorry I didn't catch your thread yesterday, I would of asked your opinion of the Quant situation as it stands now. A good idea gone bad? An bad idea period. Just how far should we let HAL take things here- as floor brokers are whisked away and the software barks to itself...I'm not much for systems although they have there place...

~stoney


Posted by andrewbee on 01-03-08 07:54 PM:

Re: Re: size


Quote from powerfade:

What difference does it make?



I guess some are interested in his position sizes on ES in order to see when position size starts to work against you (worse fills, alerting the market that there's a big player on the move, etc.). When you see those market depth numbers flashing by in the triple digits, you wonder who or what is buying/selling and why. At least I do anyway.

It is of course totally understandable that he doesn't want to reveal this information (and I doubt many of us are likely to run into that particular problem soon anyway!).


Posted by pismo10 on 01-11-08 05:13 PM:

I would think the e-mini market could absorb a couple hundred contract order without much trouble.


Posted by freewilly on 01-11-08 07:10 PM:

Hi, qnome,
Thanks for the thread.

In one reply you mentioned you mostly use double bottom and double top. I don't how long you hold your positions, but since you have made 100 mil, I'd guess you don't do day trading. DBL top and DBL bottom don't happen very often. What do you do if you don't see a double top or bottom for a while. Do you park your money sideline?

How long do you hold your positions?

If you buy at the double bottom, but few day later when it develops, it is not going up as you expected. What do you do? Do you just exit out or go another direction (short).

Thanks,

freewilly


Posted by gnome on 01-11-08 07:16 PM:


Quote from freewilly:

Hi, qnome,
Thanks for the thread.

In one reply you mentioned you mostly use double bottom and double top. I don't how long you hold your positions, but since you have made 100 mil, I'd guess you don't do day trading. DBL top and DBL bottom don't happen very often. What do you do if you don't see a double top or bottom for a while. Do you park your money sideline?

How long do you hold your positions?

If you buy at the double bottom, but few day later when it develops, it is not going up as you expected. What do you do? Do you just exit out or go another direction (short).

Thanks,

freewilly



1. I never said, "I mostly play double bottom/top"... it's only one setup to play.... intraday or daily charts.

2. Some plays are held for only minutes.. some for days or weeks... market action/charts dictate. There are only 3 possibilites... long, short or cash. Figure out if one "appears obviously wrong" and don't do that. Then the question becomes "when" to do the others.

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Posted by mgabriel01 on 01-11-08 08:09 PM:

Hi gnome

I read a couple books that say 'the majority' or 'most' of wall street players are pay more attention to fundamentals rather than technical analysis

is that accurate in your opinion?

thanks


Posted by freewilly on 01-11-08 09:03 PM:

Hi, Gnome,
Thanks for answering my question.

Do you do longs more than shorts? For me, I find short is very hard, as when the stock price goes down, the pattern becomes very erratic (to me at least).

Thanks,

freewilly


Posted by wilburbear on 01-12-08 12:12 AM:

I've already stated Gnome is a fraud. You can stop asking him questions now.


Posted by RedDuke on 01-12-08 01:21 AM:


Quote from wilburbear:

I've already stated Gnome is a fraud. You can stop asking him questions now.



And you know this how?


Posted by kidPWRtrader on 01-15-08 03:50 PM:

Too bad I couldn't ask questions before.

Gnome : Never had any idea you were such a high roller hehe.

The fact that you have that much money and still took the time to answer my phone call to help me out with my graphics cards is impressive.

Definitely have your ego in check...


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