POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq

Discussion in 'Politics' started by candletrader, Dec 8, 2002.

Which of these is most likely?

  1. Co-ordinated large-scale bombings of shopping malls and offices (similar to September 11, but not us

    12 vote(s)
    133.3%
  2. Biological attacks on schools, malls, airports etc

    5 vote(s)
    55.6%
  3. Highly co-ordinated machine gun mow-downs of crowds by suicide gangs

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. One person suicide bombings (similar to that carried out by Hamas) co-ordinated across numerous smal

    30 vote(s)
    333.3%
  5. Devastating car bombs set to go off amongst traffic queues of commuters crawling into work in the ru

    3 vote(s)
    33.3%
  6. It won't be as obvious as any of the above, but it will make September 11 look like a wasp bite com

    26 vote(s)
    288.9%
  7. No repercussions

    95 vote(s)
    1,055.6%
  1. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    US says it is ready to use nukes

    Washington, Dec 11. (PTI): Warning Iraq and other countries that it may retaliate with "overwhelming force", the US today said it was ready to use nuclear weapons in response to an attack from Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

    The admonition was included in the six-page strategy document prepared by the Administration which says that deterring attacks with the threat of overwhelming force were an essential element in protecting America and its allies from weapons of mass destruction (WMD)....


    http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/03111412.htm

    nukes??? against whom? If al-queda cells from Germany or France manage a biological terror attack here, whom are we going to nuke?

    Iraq? Iran? China? France? Germany? N Korea? maybe Russia for selling the weapons in the black market? Saudi Arabia?

    This is getting too much...


    Josh
     
    #121     Dec 11, 2002
  2. rs7

    rs7

    OK TF, certainly I may be misinformed. Where can Islamic women vote and hold office in Muslim countries? Or be part of the governments?

    I truly wish to be enlightened. I truly admit to not being an expert on all the Muslim countries. But I think I specifically singled out our "allied friend" Saudi Arabia. What can women do there? Are their driver's license photos in color or black and white? And this is our great friend amongst those countries.

    We agree on a lot of issues. We disagree on many. And we misunderstand each other on many. So indulge my lack of knowledge if I am wrong about points. Correct me. Don't insult me. I don't do it to you....do I? If you are offended that I stated I felt you used "cut and paste" too much, you should not be. My objective was to express only that I would rather listen to you than to those you quote. I can always read that stuff elsewhere. I enjoy being able to dialogue with you directly. Who needs "middlemen"? If I did not respect your thoughts and opinions, I would pay you no heed. But that is NOT how it is. So please, TF, lighten up. Maybe we will meet someday soon, and like you said, you can give me a tour of Paris.

    Regarding that.....do you consume alchohol? What is your level of observance to the teachings of Islam? Me, I enjoy a good bacon cheeseburger in strict disobedience to my "religious beliefs" (for what they are worth to me). Just curious. Not important. Just wondering what it would be like to really hang out with my friend TF. And if you do not drink, that would have no effect on anything. This is purely a simple question driven by interest. No right or wrong answers. Just, like I said, curious.

    Salaam,
    :)rs7
     
    #122     Dec 11, 2002

  3. Yes, these crazy threats by the USA are getting too much... let's not also forget that the USA is the only country to have actually used nukes... the international community is being held at ransom by the maniacal nuclear blackmail of the tinpot US foreign policies...
     
    #123     Dec 11, 2002
  4. hey TF !

    did i EVER claim the 'macedonian' way of life was the same as the 'western way of life' ???????????? you freakin ****.
    the macedonian way of life is RUBBISH!!. (but it still shits on anything the muslims can offer up.)

    and just to make it clear, when i talk of the western way of life, i'm certainly NOT referring to the backwards idiots in eastern europe -- although they are certainly making great advancements in places like Czech republic, Poland and Slovenia. (macedonia is way behind the 8ball, i know, no need to tell me...)

    did i EVER claim to be an american????? (although i could quite easily be, my father is a citizen..)

    and, i'm not ONLY macedonian, but i am a FULL australian citizen, idiot. so i most certainly DO know about 'western life' DUH! geez, can any one person talk more bullshit than you TF? i doubt it.

    oh yeah, turkey. what a wonderland. did you, by any chance, go and check out the way of life in rural turkish villages? FAR cry from what you see in istanbul..

    do you want to keep hurling UNFOUNDED accusations at me TF? aren't you tired of proving to everybody what a complete jackass you are?

    you can fake your laugh as much as you want, but you know as well as i do the islam can't offer up anything even remotely close to the west. so suck on that !

    another thing, you keep referring to me as macedonian this, macedonian that.... listen to me... I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT MY HERITAGE!!!! does that satisfy you??? could there possibly be a more western outlook on life than that?????????

    and wild, you and i have talked. i take it you're well aware that this is the angry side me of speaking, and that i am very well informed of the subjects of which i speak, and am quite amiable to changing my mind if a good, RATIONAL REASON is given to me. (perhaps unlike yourself, who seems to uncritically accept any and everything der Spiegel throws at him...)

    oh, and you want some more cultural enrichment? you could always visit an old favorite of mine www.islamexposed.com
     
    #124     Dec 11, 2002
  5. TF

    before you go and make your routine accusations of me spreading 'propaganda', WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CALL THAT LAST ARTICLE YOU (again, routinely) CUT & PASTED???

    btw, i noticed a similar phenomenon in california... all the hotties there going ga-ga over the idea of wrapping themselves in five layers of towels and being 2nd class slaves to their husbands...
     
    #125     Dec 11, 2002
  6. rs7

    rs7

    Dan, you disappoint me. You are far too smart to let yourself get so excited. Don't unnecessarily blow your credibility with these outbursts. They defeat your positions.

    I expect this from Smokey McPaat. Not you. Here I am saying I believed you to be among, if not THE most intelligent of all the ET posters. So your misbehavior now is not only self defeating, but a poor reflection on MY assessment. So go to your room and come out when you are ready to act like a good boy:)

    Really Dan....you are wasting your talent and your insight. We have gone over this before. Cool it!

    What purpose does this anger serve. You win, you win, you win by intelligent and well researched and well thought out responses. So than why blow it all by letting your temper get the best of you? Leave this dumb kind of response to me. I am too old to change and therefore hopeless (as demonstrated by my rising to the bait of Max). But for you and your youth, there is hope. Learn from the errors of MY ways!!

    Peace,
    :)Papa rs7
     
    #126     Dec 11, 2002
  7. The ignorant amongst you continue to confuse the domestic American way of life and US foreign policy... it is such a pity that some people's brains will never be capable of differentiating the two..
     
    #127     Dec 11, 2002
  8. wild

    wild

    Babak
    Moderator

    Registered: Jun 2001
    Posts: 1387

    12-11-02 05:59 PM
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    Quote from wild:

    "freedom"...

    defined by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ridge or Ashcroft ?
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    The same freedom that allows you to criticise all of those mentioned above (and more). If you were to dare to do the same to their equivalents in a Muslim society, your fate would be sealed.

    Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia and try it?
    __________________
    Discipline over conviction

    ..........................................

    Babak,

    1) with my question i haven´t criticised anyone of "those mentioned above" ... obviously.

    2) i´m actually living in a largely Muslim society ... Germany.

    3) there aren´t any "equivalents" to "those mentioned above" here ... obviously.

    4) so far i´ve had no opportunity/reason to move to Saudi Arabia ... one of the closest friends of the US of A.

    regards

    wild
     
    #128     Dec 11, 2002
  9. well i hope you're not classing ME in that category candles..

    i'm well aware that US foreign policy needs to work with our western friends to preserve and proselytize our way of life :)

    note: i don't include an unprovoked attack on iraq as good policy to that effect.
     
    #129     Dec 11, 2002
  10. wild

    wild

    Mosques (Moscheen) and Muslim associations in Berlin ...

    Dachverband / Moschee Adresse PLZ Bezirk Telefon Fax
    Berlin 030 - 030 -

    DITIB e.V. Wiener Str. 12 10999 Kreuzberg 612 41 56 611 23 12

    Merkez Moschee Wiener Str. 12 10999 Kreuzberg 618 65 10
    Orhan Gazi Moschee Obentrautstr. 35 10963 Kreuzberg 251 25 09
    Muradiye Moschee Kottbusser Damm 75 10967 Neukölln 694 32 77
    Sehzade Moschee Karl-Marx-Str. 58 12043 Neukölln 623 27 94
    Sehitlik Moschee Columbiadamm 128 10965 Neukölln 692 11 18 694 91 50
    Bedir Moschee Weserstr.166 12045 Neukölln 686 09 16
    Yunus Emre Moschee Utrechter Str. 33 13347 Wedding 456 26 28 / 59
    Mescidi Aksa Moschee Soldiner Str. 72 13359 Wedding 494 66 40
    Aksemsettin Moschee Bellermannstr. 90 13357 Wedding 493 50 26
    Koca Tepe Moschee Nonnendammallee 97 13629 Siemensstadt 382 11 81
    Selimiye Moschee Brunowstr. 61 13507 Tegel 434 65 65
    Anadolu Moschee Katzlerstr.15 10827 Schöneberg 217 56 157
    Osman Gazi Moschee Kaiser-Friedrich-Str. 92 10585 Charlottenburg 342 08 73

    Islamische Föderation Berlin e.V. Boppstr. 4 10967 Kreuzberg 692 38 72 695 08 218

    Berlin Vakif Moschee Boppstr. 4 10967 Kreuzberg 693 84 51
    Fatih Moschee Pfuelstr. 5 10997 Kreuzberg 612 40 74
    Mevlana Moschee Skalitzer Str. 135 10999 Kreuzberg 614 70 14 615 62 13
    Ayasofya Moschee Stromstr. 39 10551 Tiergarten 395 89 06
    Ensar Moschee Spandauer Damm 40 - 44 14059 Charlottenburg 321 67 17
    Yeni Moschee Lynarstr. 17 13585 Spandau 335 30 52
    Hasan Basri Moschee Nostitzstr. 19 10961 Kreuzberg 693 14 19
    Emir Sultan Moschee Hauptstr. 15 10827 Schöneberg 781 10 20
    Gazi Osman Pasa Moschee Schöneweiderstr. 11 12055 Neukölln 685 96 09
    Haci Bayram Moschee Prinzenallee 25 - 26 13359 Wedding 493 90 58

    VIKZ e.V. (Landesverband Berlin) Lindower Str. 18 13347 Wedding 461 70 26 461 23 21

    Abdülmecid Moschee Mittenwalder Str. 6 10961 Kreuzberg 694 55 74
    Hermannplatz Moschee Sonnenallee 18 12047 Neukölln 624 90 29
    Neukölln Moschee Hermannstr. 177 12051 Neukölln 621 68 53
    Beyazit Moschee Lindower Str. 18 13347 Wedding 461 70 26
    Lübars Moschee Quickborner Str. 96 13439 Reinickendorf
    Valide-i-Sultan Moschee Hedwigstr. 15 12159 Steglitz 859 31 66
    Moabit Moschee Alt-Moabit 112 10559 Tiergarten 393 84 94 391 35 13
    Süleymaniye Moschee Wilmersdorfer Str. 60 10627 Charlottenburg 323 20 85
    Spandau Büyük Moschee Seeburger Str. 90 13581 Spandau 332 60 84

    Schiiten

    Imam Reza Moschee Reuter Str. 93 12053 Neukölln
    Islam merkezi Dresdener Str. 8 10999 Kreuzberg
    Imam Cafer Sadik Birligi Koloniestr. 106 13359 Wedding 492 51 75

    Tasavvuf oder Sufi

    Semerkant Moschee und Külliyesi Kurfürstenstr. 37 10785 Schöneberg 265 22 64 265 22 64
    Kadiri Mescidi Karl-Marx-Str. 43 12043 Neukölln
    Abdulkadir Geylani Moschee Kienitzer Str. 98 12049 Neukölln 622 33 79
    Gavzul Azam Moschee Schleiermacherstr. 18 10961 Kreuzberg 692 74 81
    Tekke-i-Muhayiddin Turiner Str. 6 13347 Wedding 456 66 47
    Tariqa Burhaniya (Mekkanische Rose) Leibnizstr. 47 10629 Charlottenburg 681 12 00 323 14 19

    Nurcu

    Medretseti Nuriye Eisenbahnstr. 16 10997 Kreuzberg 611 69 26 611 50 95
    Salah-ad-din Moschee Zwickauer Damm 78 12355 Reinickendorf
    Medretseti Nuriye Schönleinstr. 15 10967 Neukölln

    Kurdische Moscheen und Vereine

    Scheikh Said Moschee Kottbusser Str. 8 10997 Kreuzberg

    Alevitische Organisationen

    Anatolisches Alevitisches Kulturzentrum Waldemarstr. 20 10999 Kreuzberg 616 58 394 616 58 395
    Ehli Beyt Yolu, Alevi Kültür Cemiyeti Friedelstr. 34 12047 Neukölln 624 09 174 624 09 174

    Sonstige Organisationen

    Islamische Gemeinschaft Milli Görüs Kottbusser Damm 75 10967 Neukölln 698 078 20/21 698 078 10
    Mevlana Jugend-Etage Kottbusser Damm 75 10967 Neukölln 615 21 81
    Yavuz Sultan Selim Moschee Karl-Marx-Str. 179 12043 Neukölln 686 86 67 680 59 730
    Mimar Sinan Moschee Barfußstr. 8 13349 Wedding
    Islamischer Frauenverein Graefestr. 19 10967 Kreuzberg 694 94 07 694 94 07
    P. Mohamad Moschee Wildenbruchstr. 70 12045 Neukölln 687 87 18
    Mehmet Akif Moschee Schwedenstr. 18 13357 Wedding 491 82 92
    Haus der Weisheit e.V. Rostocker Str. 21 10553 Tiergarten 395 76 29 396 28 59
    Al Falah Moschee Melanchtonstr. 23 10557 Tiergarten 392 81 24
    Selbsthilfeprojekt für Frauen Hauptstr. 36 10827 Schöneberg 788 55 54 782 22 50
    Islamische Gemeinschaft
    deutschsprachiger Muslime e.V. Geßlerstr. 11 10829 Schöneberg 788 48 83 788 48 83
    Bosnisches Islamisches Kulturzentrum Skalitzer Str. 104 10997 Kreuzberg 611 90 26 611 90 26
    Islamic Relief Gitschiner Str. 17 10969 Kreuzberg 611 26 00 612 83 405
    Islamischer Verein für
    wohltätige Projekte e.V. Skalitzer Str. 33 10999 Kreuzberg 618 67 64
    Islamisches Kultur- und
    Erziehungszentrum Finowstr. 27 12045 Neukölln 681 57 17 688 51 00
    El Irchat e.V. Flughafenstr. 79 12049 Neukölln 627 05 116
    Al Nur Moschee Glasower Str. 18 12051 Neukölln 628 33 20 628 33 19
    Xhamia Isa Beuy Karl-Marx-Str. 58 12043 Neukölln 624 26 05 624 26 05
    Deutschsprachiger Muslimkreis (DMK) Drontheimer Str. 16 13359 Wedding 49 91 27 04 49 91 27 04
    Frauenshura des DMK Drontheimer Str. 19 13359 Wedding
    Islam Institut Berlin Pilnitzer Weg 24 13593 Spandau
    Bosnische Isabey Moschee Flughafenstr. 17 12053 Neukölln 622 66 22
    Sultan Ahmet Moschee Lehrter Str. 38 10557 Tiergarten 394 52 70
    Hicret Moschee Perleberger Str. 14 10559 Tiergarten 398 75 444 398 75 446
    Muslimische Info.- und Bildungsgemeinschaft Böckhstr. 47 - 48 10967 Kreuzberg 691 39 34
    Kûba Moschee Crellestr. 44 10827 Schöneberg 784 86 81
    Vahdet (Kulturverein) Reichenberger Str. 147 10999 Kreuzberg 611 88 91 610 73 750

    Stand: September 2001
     
    #130     Dec 11, 2002