Meat Packers going after HFT

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by TraDaToR, Jan 20, 2016.

  1. TraDaToR

    TraDaToR

  2. I quit trading cattle when the meat packers took over the market
     
  3. For its really difficult to believe that you can profitably manipulate a market on medium/long term. How you win money by pushing the market against its fundamentals ?

    Manipulation is much more likely when you have benchmark (i.e. the libor rate) or when on a short term trading when they can pick some stops ?
     
  4. 2rosy

    2rosy

    collusion
     
  5. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC

    Ugh, these cry babies need to adapt or die. Oil tanked....I have to believe the price of cattle is tightly coupled to oil? It isn't the volatility hurting these boys... its the trend.

    The article mentioned that CME is adding new order flow rules for the cattle contracts, effective Feb 1. Any idea what these are?
     
  6. I can't think of any commodity that is more uncoupled from cattle than oil except cheap fuel reduce costs. Now water??? that's a different matter.
     
  7. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC

    I haven't followed cattle, but that surprises me. I would have thought that the cost of raising cattle is tied to the price of feed (corn,grain, etc..), which should also drop with oil due to cheaper harvesting cost (I haven't followed grains either...) ...which would mean it is cheaper to feed the cattle.
     
    d08 likes this.
  8. before those cattle start eating oil, they first need water.
     
  9. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC


    Well...yeah. I don't know of any water futures?? Although there are weather futures...

    I'm just saying that intuition says there should be a longer term correlation with the price of cattle and the price of oil, since the cost of raising cattle is dependent on the cost of things that depend on the cost of oil.
     
    d08 likes this.
  10. without water, there are fewer cattle to sell to the feedlot, but true, it is cheaper to haul them and eventually feed them if crude stays low.
     
    #10     Jan 20, 2016