Mathematical expectation

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Visaria, Jul 30, 2014.

  1. Visaria

    Visaria

    Can expected value be calculated in trading like one can calculate the (negative) expected value of casino games such as blackjack or roulette?
     
  2. Daal

    Daal

    It can be estimated but its prone to be incorrect due black swans, fat tails, gaps etc. Thats why its important to have a margin of safety in your trades, you do this by being more selective about which trades you enter
     
  3. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Yes expected value can be used. But you need to know the variance around that expected value.
     
  4. JJayFX

    JJayFX

    As Van Tharp says: Expectancy = (Probability of Win * Average Win) – (Probability of Loss * Average Loss)

    The fact is that unless you are following a disciplined plan time & time again, which includes managing the trades in the same manner time & time again, the statistics (and expectancy) loses significance.

    In order for any statistic regarding your trading to make sense, you must trade through all types of markets using the same approach.

    Hope this makes sense...
     
  5. panzerman

    panzerman

  6. Visaria

    Visaria


    How do i determine the probability of win and loss?
     
  7. Visaria

    Visaria

  8. Visaria

    Visaria

    Mav, i wanted to know how to calculate it! Good point re variance..which then begs the question, how do you calculate the variance?

    Would we need to take an estimated RANGE of probabilities to work out ev? I don't think one specific probability can be calculated or used.

    Is it just a stab in the dark?
     
  9. panzerman

    panzerman

    For options, the delta can give a reasonable approximation of the probability of the price finishing OTM. The probability of price touching the strike is approximately twice the probability of finishing OTM.
     
  10. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    No,no, no, there is no guessing. This is not TA. :)

    Tell me specifically what you are trying to do because the posters on this thread are talking about options and p&l and win rates, etc. Tell me specifically what you are trying to solve for.
     
    #10     Jul 30, 2014