Killers for Christ

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dbphoenix, Feb 10, 2015.

  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    . . . because we’re so nice here at the Raw Story Historic Corrections Desk, we thought we’d share some examples of Christian extremist violence for the edification of our right-leaning friends who seem to believe that it’s nothing but Christmas trees and Easter lilies on their side of the church as opposed to IEDs and lynching ropes.

    Let’s begin, shall we?

    The Fourth Crusade
    When Obama cited the Crusades, it was to conjure the image of Christians doing their own brand of Jihad in centuries past. But what kind of Holy War was the Fourth Crusade? As always, the goal was to take Jerusalem back for Christianity, but the long slog to the Holy Land in the early 13th century was dangerous and slow. The mostly French holy soldiers of the Fourth Crusade sought a quicker passage, by boat to Egypt, and the independent state of Venice offered to lend 200 boats to make it happen. But Venice had a condition — help us retake the city of Zara from Hungarian invaders. So before they could leave for Egypt, the crusaders attacked Zara — a Christian city — to conquer it for Venice. With that dirty work out of the way, they set sail for Constantinople and did the unthinkable, sacking the largest, most sophisticated city in Christendom on the promise of cash offered by a pretender to the city’s throne. Sated with blood and gold, the crusaders headed home after defeating Constantinople, and never even got to the Holy Land. Praise the Lord!

    The Holocaust
    Jews were persecuted and ghettoized for centuries in Europe. During World War II, a staunchly Christian Adolf Hitler proposed the notorious “Final Solution” as his armies rounded up and exterminated some 6 million Jews over the course of the Nazi Party’s rise and precipitous fall.

    Many conservatives have attempted to obscure the Nazi Party’s ties to extreme Christianism by asserting the Nazi officers dabbled in the occult or to risibly accuse the German National Socialist Party of being a left-wing, atheist organization. In fact the Nazis were staunchly Christian and relied heavily on the anti-Semitic theories and writings of Martin Luther, founder of the Protestant church.

    “We are at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and the blood of the children [Jews] have shed since then (which still shines forth from their eyes and their skin),” wrote Luther. “We are at fault in not slaying them.”

    The Ku Klux Klan
    America’s earliest home-grown white nationalist militia rooted their pro-segregation philosophy and anti-black and anti-Jew violence in the belief that they were enforcing God’s law on behalf of the chosen people, the white race.

    To this day, Klansmen and women will cheerfully assure you that they are good, law-abiding Christians who are acting out of defense of what they see as a beleaguered white population.

    “We don’t hate people because of their race, I mean, we’re a Christian organization,”said the Klan’s Frank Ancona in 2014. “We want to stay white. It’s not a hateful thing to want to maintain white supremacy.”

    The Otherside Lounge Bombing
    In 1997, Christian terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph planted and detonated a homemade bomb at the Atlanta LGBT bar the Otherside Lounge. Four people were injured. A second bomb failed to detonate.

    Rudolph bombed abortion clinics in Birmingham and Atlanta, killing three people in all and injuring 111 others. He was apprehended by police in 2003 and remains in federal custody.

    Anti-choice violence
    Because these individuals believe that God is acting through them to save the lives of unborn children, they are willing to commit acts of extreme violence to deny women access to reproductive health care.

    So-called “pro-life” organizations have become some of the most dangerous and violent religious zealots in the U.S. today. It is hard to isolate any single incident because over the last two decades, groups like Operation Rescue have set fire to women’s health centers, murdered doctors like Kansas’ Dr. George Tiller in cold blood, and gunned down clinic workers, nurses and bystanders.

    And those are just a few examples, kids. So, the next time someone tries to tell you that Islam produces the only violent religious extremists of the world, ask them how Tiller’s widow probably feels about that, or the survivors of Eric Rudolph’s murderous rampages. Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition!
     
  2. jem

    jem

    how did i know bigoted hate what made america great leftist like you would have started this thread

    note all those groups vote democrat.
     
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    I KNEW you'd be the first to reply :D

    (Pssst! Hitler, the Crusaders, et al were not Democrats)
     
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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  5. DHOHHI

    DHOHHI

    Ha! He's failed in every thread he's ever started.
     
  6. I still don't get what any of this has to do with fighting islamist terrorism.

    No one is declaring war on all muslims. We are saying there is a sizeable group doing terrible things and their stated goal is to impose a caliphate and sharia law. Are we just supposed to ignore that and act like they are garden variety criminals?
     
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    It's just a narrative designed to distract and obfuscate.
     
  8. Alter2Ego

    Alter2Ego

    dbphoenix:

    I am curious as to how you drew the conclusion that the following groups and/or individuals were representatives of Jesus Christ, based upon their violent behavior:

    1. The Fourth Crusaders
    2. Adolf Hitler and his henchmen
    3. The Ku Klux Klan
    4. Eric Robert Rudolph (Christian terrorist)
    5. Anti-Abortionists who resort to violence

    Are you aware that Jesus Christ was a pacifist while on earth? When he was being arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane (to be executed), notice how he reacted when one of his apostles attempted to defend him. Keep your eyes on the words that are bolded in verse 52.


    "{48} Now his [Jesus'] betrayer [Judas] had given them [the arresting group] a sign, saying: "Whoever it is I kiss, he is the one; take him into custody." {49} And going straight up to Jesus, he said: "Greetings, Rabbi!" and gave him a tender kiss. {50} But Jesus said to him: "Fellow, for what purpose are you present?" Then they came forward and seized Jesus and took him into custody. {51} But look! one of those with Jesus reached out his hand and drew his sword and struck the slave of the high priest, taking off his ear. {52} Then Jesus said to him: "Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword." (Matthew 26:48-52)

    The point being, none of the people within the groups listed above are "killers for Christ." They might think they are, but what they think and what scripture says are two entirely different things.

    Alter2Ego



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    "That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
     
  9. stu

    stu

    "I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Matthew 10:34)

    ... seems he got the comeuppance predicted.
     
  10. Wallet

    Wallet

    A perfect example of someone taking one verse out of context.

    The context of Jesus' teaching in this passage is "Acknowledging Him" i.e. putting God first in one's life, contained in verses 32-39 of chapter 10.

    32 So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven,
    33 but who ever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
    34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
    35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
    36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
    37 Who ever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
    38 And who ever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
    39 Who ever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.


    Putting God first in one's life is paramount, all other relationships will be askew without it. In the 10 Commandments, the first four deal with one's relationship to God. Jesus interpreting them to the the religious leaders of the time narrowed it to two.

    Matthew 12:30-31
    Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.”

    You Stu are a perfect example of being divided by the word of God. Jesus said there would be division between those who acknowledge Him and those who don't.
     
    #10     May 16, 2015