Here’s the advantage high-frequency trading firms have over everyone else

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Banjo, Aug 16, 2015.

  1. Banjo

    Banjo

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  2. i960

    i960

    "A spokesman from Nasdaq declined to comment."
     
  3. 2rosy

    2rosy

    Can't everyone else pay for direct feeds, colocate, etc
     
  4. trendo

    trendo

    "... the HFT business model under these conditions as essentially riskless. 'They know how both sides of the trade will come out before they ever press the button.' "
     
  5. Yeah. HFT is riskless. That is why so many HFT firms have folded and many more are far less profitable than they were.
     
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  6. Speculate

    Speculate

    So what?

    A decade or 2 ago, traders would pay money to stand on the floor of NYSE or CBoT, CME etc so they could get information advantage on order flow and act on it before others. These days, you spend that money on co-lo, microwave, and direct feeds - none of it is cheap, and they wouldnt do it if there was no edge.

    Losers will always find someone to blame. Nothing ever changes.
     
  7. vicirek

    vicirek

    If you clicking your reaction time is 200 to 300 milliseconds, they are talking about 500 microseconds. Now, say everybody colocate, have direct feed and then what? Do you know what to do with incoming tick? Do you have enough capital to trade at that speed for more than a few seconds, minutes? What they are not telling you is that HFT is essentially market making operation and as such it does not fall under charitable activity umbrella and if you did not know market making is as old as markets themselves.
     
  8. i960

    i960

    It's riskless front-running, dude. What isn't clear about that? Your example of "yeah so what, back in the day floor traders also did this!" doesn't excuse anything and is false justification.

    To the ones who inevitably pipe up about "they're just market makers!" <--- the ones who are not *formal* MMs are not required to provide liquidity!

    Either people buy the bullshit hook line and sinker or are working for HFT firms.
     
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  9. IAS_LLC

    IAS_LLC

    If it is riskless, why hasn't it been arbitraged away ?
     
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  10. 2rosy

    2rosy

    It isn't clear to me. Can you or anyone give step by step example?
     
    #10     Aug 16, 2015