Christianity - For the Record

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by jem, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. jem

    jem

    I am a bit tired of seeing the left argue that Christians were the cause of the conflict with Muslims... so I have decided to do some research.
    I welcome contrary research from scholars and credible sources.
    I would like to see this turn into a useful resource.


    1st item... The Crusades.

    point: Many Scholars are concluding the Crusades were a response to Muslim aggression and Muslim conquests of Christian.

    support... see below
     
  2. jem

    jem

    So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

    Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

    With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

    That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

    more at this link...
    http://www.crisismagazine.com/2011/the-real-history-of-the-crusades
     
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2015
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    No need to post it twice. Just makes it longer.

    As for motives, you left out the part where the Templar Knights cleaned up.

    -- resident big govt loving Christian-hypocrite hater
     
  4. jem

    jem

    Some historians see the Crusades as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest.[citation needed] Crusading attracted men and women of all classes. The massacres involved were mainly attributed as being caused by disorder, an epidemic of ergotism and economic distress.[2]

    The Byzantine Empire was unable to recover territory lost during the initial Muslim conquests under the expansionist Rashidun and Umayyad caliphs in the Arab–Byzantine Wars and the Byzantine–Seljuq Wars; these conquests culminated in the loss of fertile farmlands[3] and vast grazing areas of Anatolia[4] in 1071, after a sound victory by the occupying armies of Seljuk Turks at the Battle of Manzikert. Urban II sought to reunite the Christian church under his leadership by providing Emperor Alexios I with military support.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
     
  5. maxpi

    maxpi

    Not to worry. Obama is ensuring Iran gets the bomb. Just a matter of time until they set off a war in the ME.
     
  6. I'm other words....if it weren't for religion, lots of lives would NOT haven been lost?
     
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Not necessarily. Jem the Obscure leaves out all the Roman effort to conquer the known world, including the Middle East. And they didn't do it for Zeus.
     
  8. Jesus said some good things.
     
  9. Wallet

    Wallet

    Yes, you should try listening
     
  10. If it wasn't for the Christians none of us would be here at ET. History would of been different. We would of never been born. Thank God for Christians!
     
    #10     Apr 10, 2015