My personal experience shows 3x etf is not a fair game

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by GloriaBrown, Mar 7, 2016.

  1. kalmar

    kalmar

    #21     Apr 8, 2016
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    NOT a prediction; they work well with a good trend...... Counter-trends may , or may NOT work as well X3...
    My remarks are mainly for experienced investors///traders; NONE of those pay dividends except maybe a 2X SPY something ETF, does or did dividends.LOL. The3X managers , if they get a dividend simply record it; i prefer they pay it[put it in my account]-NOT with me having to ask for it; but it takes all kinds to make a market...............................................................
     
    #22     Apr 11, 2016
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    GloriaB; You see why trader Robert Tharp warned ''never try to catch a falling safe''?????
    If you have time read most of prospectus, i think its a bout 555/+ pages, but real helpful, more so than counter-trends. Wisdom is profitable to direct
     
    #23     Apr 13, 2016
  4. it is not always true. The japanese trader can catch the failing knift at the best timing
     
    #24     Apr 19, 2016
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  5. I agree...nothing in Trading should be etched in stone_ o_O
    Every lesson or point...has an equal counterpoint or side...that can be equally just as right. :confused:;)
     
    #25     Apr 19, 2016
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    Maybe , on a knife; he said not to try to catch a '' falling safe''
     
    #26     Apr 22, 2016
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    Another problem;
    plenty of cash dealers got in trouble, during oil downtrend, then they had to sell. Like BEAR Stearns had to sell + JPM did not pay much for what they called a ''burning house''..................
     
    #27     Apr 22, 2016
  8. Can somone shows how my UWTI is still not even half of its bought price? I bought at around $60 in early December 2015 while the spot price of Brent was $36.93. Brent is $50.48 now but UWTI is only around $29. The Premium / Discount is almost zero at the time I bought and now.
     
    #28     Oct 19, 2016
  9. Imho, the maximum holding period is no longer than 2-week and the best strategies to trade this type of leverage products is MOMENTUM strategies. That said, trying to trade strategies such as oversold/overbought or support/resistance levels will only make your brokers/exchanges happy.
     
    #29     Oct 19, 2016
  10. toonerdy

    toonerdy

    GloriaBrown, comparing to the OIL ETF, it appears to me that only about a fifth of of UWTI's loss can be attributed to "volatility drag" leverage rebalancing effects (as discussed in the paper I linked to in my March 9th, 2016 posting in this thread). The bulk of the loss was, I suspect, due to futures contango.

    From the close on Decmeber 4th (when UTWI closed closest to $60 in early December), 2015 to yesterday's close, OIL and UWTI moved thusly (close prices adjusted for splits and dividends, from Yahoo):

    Your recollection of oil spot prices: $36.93 --> $50.48 (up 36.7%)
    OIL: $7.22 --> $6.18 (down 14.4%)
    UWTI: $59.90 --> $27.47 (down 54.1%)

    Triple the drop in the OIL ETF (14.4% x 3) is a loss of 43.2%, which is 79.85% of UWTI's 54.1% loss.
     
    #30     Oct 19, 2016