The Break Even Stop is a Psychological Crutch for Newbies

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Buy1Sell2, Feb 21, 2015.

Do you use break even stops?

  1. Yes

    50.0%
  2. No

    50.0%
  1. Handle123

    Handle123

    Actually, if I had to say what an "edge" was, it have to be "Breakeven plus one Tick" was my edge. I designed a method and now all my methods to have very low losing percentages based on weekly stats, so in any given week I will have 40-55% of my trades become "Breakeven plus one Tick", given that I have low losing percentages I average down on each trade and each market, I scalp and very seldom have trades last longer than four minutes.

    Low losing percentages have absolutely nothing to do with psychological aspects, has to do with stats, system doesn't go for extended gains which is often becoming a myth than reality, simply don't see many traders who go for longer day trading profits of more than few years, at least I have never found a trader who been trading ten years plus.

    All the years I lost, I used trailing stops, use no stops and you be concentrating much more. Trailing stops only good for me when I am reversing.
     
    #121     Jul 14, 2015
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  2. londonkid

    londonkid

    An interesting post and glad you can make it work for you. Can you share your performance stats? do you have a stop? I like the sound of strategies where you earn say 1 tick with a 99% hit rate and when you lose you lose 50 ticks.
     
    #122     Jul 14, 2015
  3. achilles28

    achilles28

    Good thread

    I'll add opportunity cost. The opportunity cost of setting stops to break even after a trade shows a small profit is getting stopped out of a small number of trades that go on to be large winners (if u can manage trades right and let winners run...)

    The opportunity cost of maintaining the original stop loss is forgoing a number of breakeven trades that go on to incur small losses.

    In one case, more small losses are incurred but more big wins are gained.

    In the other case, less small losses are incurred but less big wins are gained.

    The way I trade it pays to take a small amount of heat on the trade. But how much? Two percent maybe. But three? Take a string of three percent losers and it really hurts.
     
    #123     Oct 3, 2015
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  4. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    You generally need 3 ticks to make 1, so it still wont profit, without a clever entry strategy.

    And taking a 50 loss would be sole destroying, 2 days of trading wioed out.

    And so mind numbingly boring you'd go insane pretty quickly.
     
    #124     Oct 3, 2015
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  5. Autodidact

    Autodidact

    It is a Catch 22 that you need to solve, stops decrease performance but stops are required for capital preservation, which is imperative. What do you do?
     
    #125     Oct 3, 2015
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  6. i960

    i960

    Imo one shouldn't move to break even until the trade clears and holds the next level above or below your entry. If the trade is valid there's little reason (aside from news/other lameness) that price is going to rip back through multiple levels and take you out. Of course the levels you care about are timeframe dependent and the closer one is to the middle of a range the higher risk of bullshit.

    Traders excessively make use of BE stops because they're scared of loss and want certainty. Those things must be killed from the mind however hard they are.
     
    #126     Oct 3, 2015
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    EXCELLENT POSTING!

    It is correct that the break-even stop is a psychological crutch used by newbies.
     
    #127     Oct 5, 2015
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  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Agreed. The thread is about the break-even stop though, not stops in general.
     
    #128     Oct 5, 2015
  9. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    SPOT ON POSTING!
     
    #129     Oct 5, 2015
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    AGREED AND WELL THOUGHT OUT
     
    #130     Oct 5, 2015