Take down confederate flag, and change street names in public places?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Jun 20, 2015.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I disagree with the author's assertion that "Confederates laid down their arms, some picked up their pens and began to distort what they had done and why." While a number of Confederate generals and leaders wrote memoirs after the war. Very few defended the Southern reasons for war, most simply wrote about their experiences. Keep in mind that this was the period of the Reconstruction... for the most part little attention was paid to the reasons for the war. Most people were just trying to move on from it, and most former leaders in the South were trying to NOT defend the Southern perspective in order to get jobs at Universities, etc. (keep in mind that hiring had to be approved by Reconstructionists).

    The "writing" (or re-writing) of Southern history was done in the period of 1890 to 1940, most of the writing was done by Southerners who never served in the war. This was the period where many authors fondly brought up states rights and Southern heritage.

    Portions of the article outline that many border states had many more people supporting the Union than the Confederacy - no reasonable person who follows history ever disputed this. Most of western North Carolina fought for the Union. This might be a good time to mention that even deep Northern states such as New York had thousands of who fought for the South. The South also had many blacks in their armed forces who were paid pensions after the war (as evidenced by the pension records). The population loyalty scenarios were very confused, state lines meant little - the period included many families with divided loyalties.

    The article tried to portray that the war was solely about slavery, it was not . There was a host of causes and the entire situation was complex. The re-writing of history by Southern advocates was mostly done after 1900. Most of the statues to Southern veterans were put up post-1900 as well as the naming of military bases - as noted in the article the statue in Maryland was put up in 1913.

    The author's assertions that veterans of the Civil War laid down their arms and proceeded to re-write history is unfair to these veterans. His partial quoting of the document of Texas secession fails to present the rest of the reasons put forward by Texas. His twisting of "states rights" reasoning around the fugitive slave law is hollow and does not hold water in light of the very eloquent states rights presentations by Southerns in the U.S. Congress prior the war. I certainly agree that the Southern states did not only cede for "state rights" - they ceded to defend slavery and host of other reasons.

    Furthermore I certainly agree with the last sentence in the article "Across the country, removing slavery from its central role in prompting the Civil War marginalizes African Americans and makes us all stupid."
     
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    #351     Jul 2, 2015
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  2. It's about cultural genocide. The dominant liberal media and their supporting cast in universities, big business, pols, etc bitterly resent the fact that the South remains a bastion of conservatism. So, as with traditional religion, they are determined to destroy as many vestiges as possible. Their main tool is to label revered symbols as somehow contentious and hateful and thereby censor their use.

    Seems to be working brilliantly, thanks to our cowardly republican politicians.
     
    #352     Jul 3, 2015
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I am visiting Fort Sumter today. I am sad to announce that all five historical Confederate flags have been removed from above the fort. Only the U.S. Flag on the tallest flag pole remains.

    All merchandise with the Confederate flag has been removed from the gift shop.
     
    #353     Jul 4, 2015
  4. nitro

    nitro

    "COLUMBIA, S.C. — A joint state and federal investigation into the activities of accused Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof has widened to include other persons of interest, according to multiple sources familiar with the ongoing investigation.

    The expanded scope of the investigation now includes people with whom Roof associated in the weeks before the June 17 shootings of nine African-Americans at Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, the sources said. Roof, 21, of Columbia, is white.

    Although it appears Roof traveled alone to and from Charleston on the day of the killings, it is possible others had some knowledge of what he planned to carry out, said the sources, who are not being identified because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation...."


    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/charges-possible-against-dylann-roof-associates/ar-AAcxbG2
     
    #354     Jul 4, 2015
  5. Wallet

    Wallet

    While we are at it, if memory serves, of all the early Presidents, all but Adams owned slaves. So why don't we purge the US of all reminders of slavery in our history. From Washington down to Taylor & Grant - every sign, park name, monument - gone

    And why stop there... Everything associated with the brutality this nation meted out on Native Americans or the horrible treatment of other peoples immigrating here?

    Where do we stop? It's history, can't change it though they are trying.

    Judge a man on his actions today, not his ancestors hundreds of years ago.
     
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    #355     Jul 4, 2015
  6. nitro

    nitro

    #356     Jul 4, 2015
  7. BSAM

    BSAM

    Exsqueeze me, but may I keep my copy of Animal Farm?
     
    #357     Jul 4, 2015
  8. BSAM

    BSAM

    You boys holding them John Wayne movies...Get rid of 'em.
     
    #358     Jul 4, 2015
  9. BSAM

    BSAM

    I think Bob Dylan never thought these times would be changin' to this.
     
    #359     Jul 4, 2015
  10. BSAM

    BSAM

    Communism is fun, huh?
     
    #360     Jul 4, 2015