Prop firms - SEC Focus Reports Comparision

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by mspkash1, Apr 13, 2015.

  1. mspkash1

    mspkash1

    I'm in the process of selecting a prop firm and pulled up the focus reports of a bunch of firms and listed the key metrics below. Can you please provide some insights as to which one is better and why? (I didn't want to assume the higher the $ amounts, the better)
    All are as of Dec 2014

    WTS
    Total assets - $1M
    Total liabilities - $200k
    Members Equity - $1M

    T3
    Total assets - $32M
    Total liabilities - $15M
    Members Equity - $16M

    Avatar
    Total assets - $14M
    Total liabilities - $6M
    Members Equity - $8M

    Chimera
    Total assets - $27M
    Total liabilities - $12M
    Members Equity - $15M
     
  2. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    You are missing Bright Trading, their total assets used dwarf what you have listed IE when I was there 2010 and prior...
     
  3. mspkash1

    mspkash1

    Here are bright's numbers:
    Total assets - $22M
    Total liabilities - $8M
    Members Equity - $13M
     
  4. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    Can't make evaluation just on numbers provided, you have to also consider % of pay-out, cost of trading, your trading style, amount of leverage provided, minimum deposit, pedigree of the managing partners, clearing firm, over night positions charge etc...
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015
  5. flipit123

    flipit123

    Great Point Capital:

    Total assets - $40mm
    Total liabilities - $6mm
    Members' equity - $34mm
     
  6. mspkash1

    mspkash1

    dealmaker, the idea behind this thread is to just evaluate the popularity/strength of the firm. I know other things like payout and commissions do matter which I am considering but I wanted to get a feel of the safe/less risky firms based on their financials.. Thanks
     
  7. Bright still lists the Class A vs. Class B members, which is a key metric. The others do not, for whatever reason.

    However, if you want to "get a feel of the safe/less risky firms" then ask for the breakdown of members' equity by class. Class A members are the owners, the rest are either Class B or Class C (traders or trading groups).
     
  8. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    because what is considered class B at Bright is class C in some others eg T3. I was the impression that WTS had merged (bought out) with T3 but apparently not...
     
  9. Yes, I'm aware of that. What I meant to write was Bright DOES break down the equity between owners (Class A) and traders (Class B) by the specific amount of capital.

    The other firms lump all their equity together as "members' equity" without breaking down the difference between owners' vs. traders' capital.

    And WTS has merged with T3, it occurred in 2014, and my guess is they were still required to list what equity was remaining in the focus report. WTS is no longer a broker-dealer.

    If you look at the final notes in the focus report, it clearly says the following:

    "The Company filed Broker-Dealer withdrawal with PHLX on January 7, 2015, which was approved on February 5, 2015. No other events requiring disclosure have been identified."