I thought hardcore and thrash was pretty nihalistic back in the day ( but I loved the noise), but by son is listening to some stuff that makes the most societal offensive and nihalistic music that I liked seem like nursery rhymes with its over the top narcissism--- just when you thought music couldn't get any worse---
These guys changed my life in 1984, It's amazing that John Joseph is over 50----and stronger than ever,,,,, still an incredible inspiration