How we can fix the economy and help both the rich and the poor at once

Discussion in 'Economics' started by TSLexi, Nov 21, 2014.

  1. TSLexi

    TSLexi

    In case you don't realize, companies only issue shares or debt to fund startup or expansion. Any company that constantly requires new capital to operate is likely a Ponzi scheme.
     
    #21     Nov 22, 2014
  2. TSLexi

    TSLexi

    A debt legally requires the issuer to repay it. Equity does not. Go look up the difference between stocks and bonds. Those who own equity are owners.Owners are investors.
     
    #22     Nov 22, 2014
  3. TSLexi

    TSLexi

    Creditors do not have a right to any appreciation in the company's value. Shareholders do.
     
    #23     Nov 22, 2014
  4. TSLexi

    TSLexi

    You need to understand the difference between accounting profit and economic profit.

    If I have two choices for my $1 million, and one of them is investing in my business, and another is investing it in a one-year Treasury bond, I haven't really made an economic profit if my business doesn't have a risk-adjusted return greater than the Treasury bill's risk-free return.

    There are four factors of production:

    1. Land, which are IP rights and physical land

    2. Labor, which is the ability to work, either physically or intellectually

    3. Capital, which are the equipment and services used in production

    4. Entrepreneurship, which is the ability to combine the above three factors

    The payment for land is called economic rent, the payment for labor is called wages, the payment for capital is called economic interest, and the payment for entrepreneurship is called economic profit.

    So whenever you see a company reporting a profit, it is really reporting a cost much like the cost of it's equipment or the cost of its employees or the cost of it's IP licenses and land. Capital investment is a cost, and when scarce, the price (interest) gets bid up, so capital investments are attracted to the least risky firms first. Therefore, riskier investments have to return more.

    Where this distinction (or people's failure to make this distinction) has bite is when it comes to discussions of regulating or nationalizing some industry for the good of the people. One argument that is always made is that the evil private businesses are making profit and, after regulation or nationalization, the company won't make a profit (or, at least, a outsized profit) and that money can be returned to the people. This is exactly like saying that, for example, the pharmaceutical industry spends lots of money on research and development and, if we stopped them from spending that money, medicine would cost less. In both cases, medicine will soon cost nothing, but not in a good way.

    Nor does taxation make any difference. If the government decided that it didn't want to pay for the steel it uses to make bombers and so it just stole the steel, the steel is still being paid for, albeit not by the end-user. Since any end-user will use more steel if it's free, the result is that a greater cost is being paid with less return than if the government just paid for it. That is a dead-weight loss. Exactly the same is true with taxation.

    Finally, even if we can recognize economic profits when we see them, we still can't appropriate them without shooting ourselves in the foot. Outsized returns are a signal that supply is too limited. It attracts entrants into the market; investors can make more money there than elsewhere. The only exception is when there are barriers to entry that can't be overcome. The most common barrier? Government regulation.
     
    #24     Nov 22, 2014
  5. " To get a broader consumption tax, she said the UK government introduced a tax on "sin industries" such as those selling oil and gas, alcohol, cigarettes and fuel. "
    http://www.theage.com.au/business/t...dvisers-tell-tony-abbott-20141201-11xo8q.html

     
    #25     Dec 1, 2014