Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. jem

    jem

    I thought you were told to stop reposting your old distorted charts.
    You know co2 lags temperature change up and down... and your chart shows it.
     
    #1151     Oct 30, 2014
  2. Fact, no question about it. CO2 is greenhouse gas and heats, not cools the earth. Anyone saying otherwise is ignorant or a liar or deranged.

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    #1152     Oct 30, 2014
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  4. jem

    jem

    Another repeat chart...showing co2 trails warming.

    NASA says co2 is tied the most efficient in the atmosphere.
     
    #1154     Oct 30, 2014

  5. Nope, wrong again asshole. It shows CO2 leading temps.
     
    #1155     Oct 30, 2014
  6. jem

    jem

    no scientifically accepted data set in the world supports your theory. they all show co2 lagging change in temps.


     
    #1156     Oct 30, 2014
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    #1157     Oct 30, 2014
  8. jem

    jem

    it cools and it warms.

    Really, I have no idea how you could be denying the fact co2 cools.
    NASA proved it with that experiment and watts in not denying the experiment.
    He is arguing against some other group that he says is denying that co2 also warms in the lower atmosphere.


    "The claim by the “slayers” is the worst form of science misinterpretation I’ve seen in a long time. By itself I would have ignored it, but some of our friends in other blogs have picked up the story, and because of the NASA link, thought it was credible example as the “slayers” framed it. It isn’t, it is a twisting of the facts in a press release about solar flares and the thermosphere to make it look like the lower atmosphere works the same way. To some extent it does, but the direction of the source of LWIR energy is reversed, and CO2 and other GHG’s impede the transfer of LWIR energy to the top of the atmosphere where it is finally re-radiated into space. Without GHG’s, the lower atmosphere would be very cold. (Updated: For those who doubt this, see http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/12/what-if-there-was-no-greenhouse-effect/ – Anthony)"
     
    #1158     Oct 30, 2014
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    It does not "cool", not even at high altitude (HA), it blocks high energy PARTICLES and absorbs their energy. Perhaps the best you could say is that HA CO2 causes "not-warming", since we'd be fried by these particles otherwise. As wattsupwiththat states. CO2, HA or low altitude, lets visible light through to hit land and ocean.
     
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    #1159     Oct 30, 2014
  10. jem

    jem

    1. It does cool by taking the energy and bouncing it back into space... the same way it takes IR from the earth and bounces it all over including back down to the earth. Its the same concept. Read watt's quote above.



    Do you really think NASA got this experiment wrong.

    Mlynczak is the associate principal investigator for the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air hundreds of km above our planet’s surface.

    “Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”

    That’s what happened on March 8th when a coronal mass ejection (CME) propelled in our direction by an X5-class solar flare hit Earth’s magnetic field. (On the “Richter Scale of Solar Flares,” X-class flares are the most powerful kind.) Energetic particles rained down on the upper atmosphere, depositing their energy where they hit. The action produced spectacular auroras around the poles and significant1 upper atmospheric heating all around the globe.

    “The thermosphere lit up like a Christmas tree,” says Russell. “It began to glow intensely at infrared wavelengths as the thermostat effect kicked in.”

    For the three day period, March 8th through 10th, the thermosphere absorbed 26 billion kWh of energy. Infrared radiation from CO2 and NO, the two most efficient coolants in the thermosphere, re-radiated 95% of that total back into space.
     
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    #1160     Oct 30, 2014