Is there any one from Day trade the world??

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by k123568947, Jul 5, 2014.

  1. Forto

    Forto

    They have finished converting their business model from prop trading, to intermediating boutique brokerage services.

    Because of the owner's financial industry ban, they can no longer be directly be involved in the actual trading, as such they need to pass on brokerage services through shell companies. Whatever money you trade - it's not theirs. They'll just allow you to risk 1:1 what you deposit with them, at best. Unsuspecting brokerages take on the risk. The shell company disappears if anything goes wrong.

    The "prop" traders are not splitting profits, but getting paid around 90% on paper. If that seems like too good a deal, it's because it is. Commissions in the prop world used to be pass-through - not here. At DTTW, you pay through the nose by having your trading volume aggressively internalized, and pay significant mark-ups on anything other than US equity. Plus, whatever investment in technology they should have made years ago, they didn't. This means whenever the market is juicy, the system can't handle the above-average volume, and one is left looking at either massive losses or massive opportunity losses. So you're not trading with the actual market (internalizer), trading commissions are almost at retail levels, and whenever there are opportunities, you either lose or don't participate.

    The only way in which they can sustain the resulting massive trader churn, is by cannibalizing on their own customers. They do this by aggressively marketing their services (with inflated, unrealistic profit projections) to the customer's customers, e.g. the trainees. It's not a sustainable model, because it means investing in the trading learning curve for new people will not pay off for anyone managing a floor.

    It's not going to last much longer. As the prime brokerages have by now all figured out what kind of toxic volume (95% of customer base is Chinese) this company produces, only desperate brokerages will take the volume. At some point DTTW might need to change its trade name to "daytrade an ever-decreasing part of the equity world". This company is one FINRA investigation away from going busto.
     
    #11     Oct 24, 2014
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  2. Not commenting on the DTTW aspect of your rant, but..

    How exactly is having your trade internalized an additional cost? I mean, if you get the same price you would have otherwise gotten from the market when you take liquidity, and if your resting orders are filled faster because someone else on the same network removed liquidity from your level... how does this hurt you or cost you more?

    A lot of executing brokers will internalize between their clients (speaking generally,) and some markets venues even encourage it (look at IEX, or Bovespa, or others.. nearly every major market has some primary or alternative venue that facilitates brokers internalizing order flow at reduced cost, or no cost, while often still providing the ability to have resting limit orders involved for regular order flow to hit it a la FIFO or pro-rata before the order gets marked internalized by the broker.

    I don't care to talk to you about DTTW, as you're clearly here to just spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about them (so speaking to you about DTTW would be fruitless,) but it does seem like you have some misconceptions about how some of this stuff works on exchanges in general and in the broker world... so do explain what you meant by internalization being a cost in case I misunderstood you.
     
    #12     Oct 25, 2014
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