RockMachine: At the risk of voiding my contract with Bone, I wanted to give an unbiased opinion of Spreadprofessor's service. 1. The price is high = yes. However, as stated Bone ONLY wants experienced traders. Well, experienced traders are MUCH harder to train because you have to un-train them first. New clients after a few weeks/months are encouraged to post their trade setups. Often, they show head and shoulder and archaic setups with multiple squiggly lines, etc. Myself, I had a nasty habit of placing tight stops, which every few months I revert to. Point is, Bone didn't teach this stuff. 2. The Guy really cares = Hell Yes! I'm on my 10th month of a 6month contract. Why? because I'm not ready. But to be clear, I contribute and I want it! 3. The $500k trade issue = Don't know. Semantics wise, if I were to make x$ in say the "Crack spread" for 2013, I would phrase it " I made X$ trading the Crack Spread last year. " 4. Is this the Turtle Experiment = Kinda. Richard Dennis said that he could publish his strategy in print and MOST people would lose money. In fact his original group has some who prospered and others who crashed. Weakest link is always the trader. 5. Overall, Bone's experience and knowledge of spread trading in 2014 is easily top 10,5,3 in the world. However, if you trade automated by ticks and turnover 100's of trades per day, then you will need to be un-trained, unless of course your infrastructure budget can compete with the big boys. 6. Finally, I have met and worked with a few people on ET, some were good, others would eat their children for $500..YOU KNOW who you are.. As for Bone, he's legit and cares and is very cautious as to working with the right people and especially before he lets you trade live. Eudamonia: As a current client I made my decision regarding Bone's services based on discussions with his references (former clients). Were they able to apply what Bone taught them and derive an edge? And the answer to that was yes - although it would require a lot of work on my part to learn the system (hence why it is a 6+ month contract). Currently, after four months of simulated trading I'm sitting on a 70% win ratio with a 1:1 reward to risk. Several other traders have shown their results in our trading room of their own trading that is similar or in some cases better. After a few more months I will switch over to live and anticipate I'll see similar results in a live account (because I have accounted for commissions and slippage in my estimates). I don't believe that my $7,500 has been anything but an excellent investment and highly recommend Bone's services. R1234: I signed up with spread professor last year. When I first signed up I must admit I was a bit concerned it might be a waste of money or maybe even a scam. But as I began adding his method to my existing methods I can say it does add value and I have more than made back my investment. His method is legit if used consistently and does carry an edge. J:Law: For all the naysayers & harsh critics of Bone & his spreadprofessor services....not only are his offers legitimate & sound. His ethics compass is intact & oriented in the right direction. If you are on the fence about working with him, just know that he has his feet on the ground & you will walk away from the experience with a greater knowledge of futures, spreading & tradecraft in general.
Thinking of it Bone : you do not owe anything to Stereo70, all the more that he was ready to throw you under the bus when encouraged by convexxxx. So just let the guy talk, if he wants to go to courts let him do it, make sure you get proper legal help and advice. Stereo70: you are a disgrace. Please do you 10 days www.dhamma.org ( called the "truth serum, aka self-honesty serum"), find a job and go and help others. You are letting your desperation and greed be used by others in some vendetta. Convexxx : why have you not as yet financed Stereo70. You are all well meaning except when it comes to $$$. I guess 10k should be peanuts to you: why not fund him instead of USING him, USING his greed for some vendetta? ETForum: one more good point for allowing to get people to voice their full opinions. The hunam mindset is something interesting to understand.
I agree completely. And I acknowledge that I have over reacted to much of what has been posted in an effort to add a bit of balance to the proverbial gangbang by trolls and haters. And after five years of mentoring, the vast majority of my clients have been pleased, but like any business I just have to accept the fact that there will be a handful of clients who are not pleased. Any clear thinking, rational person can look at my response here on ET to Julien's displeasure over at BMT and my response to Patrick's motives here on ET and understand that like any pancake there are two sides to a story, and while I try to do my very best for each client sometimes there are elements completely out if my control that sabotage things. Finally, I would just like to say that if anyone chooses to hire a mentor - make absolutely sure that you have put in the effort and work to learn the system completely, and to follow that mentor's advice about your own timetable to risk live capital. If you're not willing to make that commitment and to hold your own self accountable for getting it done - don't hire a mentor. It would be a complete waste of your money and the mentor's time. What's more, speaking for myself, I don't want the fee if the client isn't going to put in the work to succeed. I hate failures, and I freely admit that I can be very gruff with clients who are slacking off or who insist on doing things " their way" or slip into old, self- destructive habits when over the past 5 years I've seen first hand what practices and work habits make a successful client. In fact, I wrote a white paper on it and I distribute it to new clients.
The issue is not the (sic) quality of the spreadprofessor service... it's your fraudulent activities in promoting it. You have yet to comment on the fact that "TH" aka "carteblanche" was your client that you have repeatedly claimed works for Goldman Sachs in Singapore. You fabricated his CV as marketing for your service. "TH" has never worked for Goldman. He has stated so ON THIS THREAD. https://www.dropbox.com/s/issnkpa4rpfye82/last reference to GS singapore.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/20r0q0jcx1balua/carteblanche5.png?dl=0 You fabricated profits from an 8yo run and had another client vet it. It's not possible to vet the origin of the $486K from that piece of paper. You even lied about a TM serial w.r.t. someone using the "spreadprofessor" nick on this site.
RockMachine: At the risk of voiding my contract with Bone, I wanted to give an unbiased opinion of Spreadprofessor's service. 1. The price is high = yes. However, as stated Bone ONLY wants experienced traders. Well, experienced traders are MUCH harder to train because you have to un-train them first. New clients after a few weeks/months are encouraged to post their trade setups. Often, they show head and shoulder and archaic setups with multiple squiggly lines, etc. Myself, I had a nasty habit of placing tight stops, which every few months I revert to. Point is, Bone didn't teach this stuff. 2. The Guy really cares = Hell Yes! I'm on my 10th month of a 6month contract. Why? because I'm not ready. But to be clear, I contribute and I want it! 3. The $500k trade issue = Don't know. Semantics wise, if I were to make x$ in say the "Crack spread" for 2013, I would phrase it " I made X$ trading the Crack Spread last year. " 4. Is this the Turtle Experiment = Kinda. Richard Dennis said that he could publish his strategy in print and MOST people would lose money. In fact his original group has some who prospered and others who crashed. Weakest link is always the trader. 5. Overall, Bone's experience and knowledge of spread trading in 2014 is easily top 10,5,3 in the world. However, if you trade automated by ticks and turnover 100's of trades per day, then you will need to be un-trained, unless of course your infrastructure budget can compete with the big boys. 6. Finally, I have met and worked with a few people on ET, some were good, others would eat their children for $500..YOU KNOW who you are.. As for Bone, he's legit and cares and is very cautious as to working with the right people and especially before he lets you trade live. Eudamonia: As a current client I made my decision regarding Bone's services based on discussions with his references (former clients). Were they able to apply what Bone taught them and derive an edge? And the answer to that was yes - although it would require a lot of work on my part to learn the system (hence why it is a 6+ month contract). Currently, after four months of simulated trading I'm sitting on a 70% win ratio with a 1:1 reward to risk. Several other traders have shown their results in our trading room of their own trading that is similar or in some cases better. After a few more months I will switch over to live and anticipate I'll see similar results in a live account (because I have accounted for commissions and slippage in my estimates). I don't believe that my $7,500 has been anything but an excellent investment and highly recommend Bone's services. R1234: I signed up with spread professor last year. When I first signed up I must admit I was a bit concerned it might be a waste of money or maybe even a scam. But as I began adding his method to my existing methods I can say it does add value and I have more than made back my investment. His method is legit if used consistently and does carry an edge. J:Law: For all the naysayers & harsh critics of Bone & his spreadprofessor services....not only are his offers legitimate & sound. His ethics compass is intact & oriented in the right direction. If you are on the fence about working with him, just know that he has his feet on the ground & you will walk away from the experience with a greater knowledge of futures, spreading & tradecraft in general.
Half of those are probably sock-puppets of your split. lol rockmachine. The "BB trader" who's paper-trading your stuff after 10 months. Someone tell the guy he can't trade for his own account and be employed... so keep up the paper-trades. Pathological. You are literally incapable of telling the truth.
RockMachine: At the risk of voiding my contract with Bone, I wanted to give an unbiased opinion of Spreadprofessor's service. 1. The price is high = yes. However, as stated Bone ONLY wants experienced traders. Well, experienced traders are MUCH harder to train because you have to un-train them first. New clients after a few weeks/months are encouraged to post their trade setups. Often, they show head and shoulder and archaic setups with multiple squiggly lines, etc. Myself, I had a nasty habit of placing tight stops, which every few months I revert to. Point is, Bone didn't teach this stuff. 2. The Guy really cares = Hell Yes! I'm on my 10th month of a 6month contract. Why? because I'm not ready. But to be clear, I contribute and I want it! 3. The $500k trade issue = Don't know. Semantics wise, if I were to make x$ in say the "Crack spread" for 2013, I would phrase it " I made X$ trading the Crack Spread last year. " 4. Is this the Turtle Experiment = Kinda. Richard Dennis said that he could publish his strategy in print and MOST people would lose money. In fact his original group has some who prospered and others who crashed. Weakest link is always the trader. 5. Overall, Bone's experience and knowledge of spread trading in 2014 is easily top 10,5,3 in the world. However, if you trade automated by ticks and turnover 100's of trades per day, then you will need to be un-trained, unless of course your infrastructure budget can compete with the big boys. 6. Finally, I have met and worked with a few people on ET, some were good, others would eat their children for $500..YOU KNOW who you are.. As for Bone, he's legit and cares and is very cautious as to working with the right people and especially before he lets you trade live. Eudamonia: As a current client I made my decision regarding Bone's services based on discussions with his references (former clients). Were they able to apply what Bone taught them and derive an edge? And the answer to that was yes - although it would require a lot of work on my part to learn the system (hence why it is a 6+ month contract). Currently, after four months of simulated trading I'm sitting on a 70% win ratio with a 1:1 reward to risk. Several other traders have shown their results in our trading room of their own trading that is similar or in some cases better. After a few more months I will switch over to live and anticipate I'll see similar results in a live account (because I have accounted for commissions and slippage in my estimates). I don't believe that my $7,500 has been anything but an excellent investment and highly recommend Bone's services. R1234: I signed up with spread professor last year. When I first signed up I must admit I was a bit concerned it might be a waste of money or maybe even a scam. But as I began adding his method to my existing methods I can say it does add value and I have more than made back my investment. His method is legit if used consistently and does carry an edge. J:Law: For all the naysayers & harsh critics of Bone & his spreadprofessor services....not only are his offers legitimate & sound. His ethics compass is intact & oriented in the right direction. If you are on the fence about working with him, just know that he has his feet on the ground & you will walk away from the experience with a greater knowledge of futures, spreading & tradecraft in general.
Bone - you should address the Goldman Sachs issue as from the outside looking in it looks like you are avoiding it. Tell your side of the story. my 2c